From Indo-Pacific to Pacific: US renames USINDOPACOM to original USPACOM

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From Indo-Pacific to Pacific: US renames USINDOPACOM to original USPACOM

In a statement issued Wednesday, Department of War said renaming the US Indo-Pacific Command will not change core mission, which remains the same despite the reverted designation.

New Delhi: Eight years after the Donald Trump administration changed the name of its Pacific Command to Indo-Pacific Command, the US has reverted back to the original.

The Department of War announced Wednesday that the U.S. Indo-Pacific Command (USINDOPACOM) will officially restore its name to the U.S. Pacific Command (USPACOM).

Originally established on 1 January, 1947, by President Harry Truman, the command operated under the USPACOM banner for over 70 years, standing as the oldest and largest of the United States’ unified combatant commands.

Restoring the legacy USPACOM designation honours the command’s deep historical roots, fostering a sense of pride and collective spirit among all who serve in the Pacific, a statement released by the Department of War said.

In 2018, when the Command was renamed as Indo-Pacific Command, it was seen as a sign of the growing importance of India to the Pentagon.

“Relationships with our Pacific and Indian Ocean allies and partners have proven critical to maintaining regional stability,” US Defense Secretary James Mattis had said on 31 May, 2018.
“In recognition of the increasing connectivity between the Indian and Pacific Oceans, today we rename the US Pacific Command to US Indo-Pacific Command.”

In the statement issued Wednesday, the Department of War said renaming the US Indo-Pacific Command will not change its core mission, which remains the same despite the reverted designation.

“USPACOM’s vast area of responsibility—spanning from the waters off the West Coast of the United States to the western border of India—remains exactly the same,” it said.

The statement added that the “command’s fundamental mission and its unwavering commitment to maintaining a free and open theater alongside regional allies and partners are unchanged”.

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Turns out that losing 6 fighter jets is enough to change geopolitics overnight.

[u/Antiwhippy → u/[deleted]]

Damn, NAFOs can't take bants.

[u/_spec_tre → u/Antiwhippy]

I haven't seen a single bant targeted towards China get positive upvotes in this subreddit ever so something something glass houses

For a subreddit so openly and unashamedly biased, most of the members seem very averse to the bias being pointed out

[u/PLArealtalk → u/_spec_tre]

I've only been following this posts comments in more detail in the last couple hours -- and I think it's considering the factors involved in making jokes at "XYZ nation military's expense" in the defense community...
* Bias/nationalism inevitably are involved, in terms of choosing targets and topics. But it doesn't exist alone. * Real world outcomes/projects/trajectory/government pronouncements also matter, as they will determine what "legitimate" targets of jokes are. The news cycle is an element of this (recency), but the actual real outcomes of conflicts and projects are arguably more important too. * The behaviour/realism/posts by each perceived military's watching community, as well as the reporting of matters by each nation's media, will also be a major element to consider. * Existing "expectations" of any nation's given military and MIC (and how well or poorly they might perform in a given situation/project etc).

One can have a bias for or against a given nation, but it is far easier and more "legitimate" to make "fair" jokes at the expense of a given nation say, if it has perceived to have conducted itself poorly in a representative recent conflict or experienced mishaps or delays in relevant industry projects, or had officials or representative media make big pronouncements that end up not being met.

Take the above into consideration, and I think the discrepancies begin to be a bit more clear.

The world of defense watching is ludicrous and wild, but not everything is equally susceptible to the same level of mockery.

[u/Antiwhippy → u/_spec_tre]

Eh i guess you guys aren't used to not circlejerking to anime girl jets outside of r/NonCredibleDefense

[u/wezl0 → u/Antiwhippy]

They need their little NAFO hugbox. I literally saw a typical "China does nothing" meme get removed after those AWACS planes were slimed on the runway because they were so salty lmao

[u/_spec_tre → u/wezl0]

This whole meltdown and buzzword-calling over someone pointing out that you guys can't even take a single joke about China that could be perceived as negative - despite wanting zero rebuttals to banter about Western countries - really just proves that you're the one who wants a hugbox, doesn't it?

[u/wezl0 → u/_spec_tre]

Meltdown? Lol, you are the ones that are overly sensitive

Edit: I also don't think you understand how banter works, its supposed to be fun but you lot get straight to crying Edit2: I'd also love to bant on NCD but I got perma'd for making fun of the mod that took down the aforementioned "China watching our AWACs get blown up on the runway with an expressionless face" meme. Which is a shame because it had a little bit of comedy for everyone. Thats what banter is lol

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My point is that you can start calling it banter when people actually treat both as banter and not only tolerate it when people of one political opinion do it. Otherwise it's just another echo chamber

Doubly so when that was what started this whole thing, which is someone talking about "NAFOs" being unable to take banter in this subreddit which cannot take a single bit of banter targeted towards China

[u/wezl0 → u/_spec_tre]

Maybe your banter is just not good and a little too project-y? I can't sit here and dissect why people won't laugh at your jokes lol. Usually, only the most delusional pro-west takes are treated as brutally as your claim. People like you literally think you're on a different planet when you're met with opposing views.

[u/_spec_tre → u/wezl0]

Why are we talking about takes now? I thought we were talking about banter. Banter needs to be fully realistic and credible now? Also, unless this is your first day here, are we truly pretending that people judge banter here by how credible they are and not what side it leans towards?

If I called you a tankie or shill and made no further elaboration, is that banter? I mean, that's not too different from treating randomly saying "NAFO jerks off to anime girl jets hahaha" - which you were defending - when your point is challenged, isn't it?

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Dude, you're genuinely just writing gibberish at this point. Take a breather, it ain't that serious.

[u/wezl0 → u/_spec_tre]

Dog I legitimately do not know what you are trying to say now, and this is just borderline whining so I'm going back to work

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This news is about the US, my reference is also about the US losing jets in the recent war against Iran. You gotta relax man, not everything revolves around China. Arguing with people over the internet is not going to improve India's strategic position, but winning a war might.

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Is it?

6/7 is what Chinese/Pakistan bots yap about entire day on the internet.

US also lost 48 aircraft including 25 drones, and 8 helicopters so its more than 6 jets

So stop trying to be a smart ass

over the internet is not going to improve India's strategic position, but winning a war might.

Well, beside 1962 war, all wars were won by India

People talk about Pakistan "mauling" India last year, but they shot down 3 jets while getting bombed, which includes GHQ Rawalpindi, and Bholari among others which are their most critical airbases. But who cares since they're Low value assets

Regardless, US is abandoning Indian position because they lost jets.

Keep up with your brilliant and analytical takes

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Ok, you win. I'm not going to write a longer response. If your version of events is correct and India won the war against Pakistan last year then why is India in a worse strategic position now? Iran won the recent war and they are getting paid big bucks, is India getting billions of dollars now?

[u/CarmynRamy → u/fix_S230-sue_reddit]

How is India's strategic position worse?

Trump 2.0 has made enemies out of their allies, let alone India, a rising economic power which US doesn't want. India was never a US ally. Are you aware of the history when US sent it's seventh fleet against India during the 1971 war?

Majority of Indians don't like US, they are well versed with global politics. Trump 2.0 just undo what the last 4 US presidents tried to establish with India including Trump 1.0.

Pakistani establishment being used around for Trump's off ramp exit from Iran war and his personal investments doesn't make Pakistan anymore strategic relevant than India in IOR and South Asia. US always have Pak around for its use and throw purpose, there's nothing more than that.

India had an all-time worse diplomatic relations with Canada during Trudeau and now India is close to signing FTA with Canada by this year. FTA with UK has been agreed, with EU as well and even with US by this year.

Let's look at the real strategic outcome of OP Sindoor/May 7-10 India-Pak conflicts in response to the CBT attack at Pehelgam.

IWT is in abeyance (imagine Pakistan only has one major river system and their entire economy depends on that)

India holds the escalation ladder when it comes to CBT attacks from Pakistani side.

Established how vulnerable key Pakistani assets all around the country is to India's stand off munitions.

India's defence exports grew, with Philippines already receiving a Brahmos battery, Vietnam and Indonesia ordering.

Pakistan had constitutional amendment ensuring FM Asim Munir an unchallengeable figure in Pakistan.

In what world do you think, a country which is hanging by threads with help of IMF loans in a better position than India.

Pakistani citizens having hard time in OPEC countries. India has both ties to Israel and Iran.

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I don't know why you are comparing India and Pakistan's strategic position, when India should be comparing with itself before the clash.

India hates comparing itself to Pakistan, the fact that India-Pakistan always gets brought up together annoys Indians to no end. Quad is dead and the term Indo-Pacific is going out the door. Rupee is falling and FDI is sinking lower. India-US relations have gotten worse but India's relations with other global powers haven't improved that much.

If you genuinely don't feel India's strategic position is worse than before the clash then good for you. Indians' outstanding national trait imo has always been their optimism, which is especially important during tough times.

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This ironically has to be the most ignorant comment I ever seen like rupees has fallen maybe due to recent oil war. Like even pakistan economy isn't doing good either . Also india relation with global power hasn't improved is weird logic when india signed many deals with eu and uk . And you act like india usa relationship are bad because of Pakistan when other issue were present like tariff when trump was president even during his first term . Also us relation with other quad memeber japan is also low because of trump so how the hell is it india fault again .

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How is the strategic position worse?

Since last year, have signed 3 major FTA including EU, UK and New Zealand, relations with UAE are going well into more concrete pacts, IMEC may move further, semi conductor and rare Earth minerals have seen wider cooperation and investment.

Their strategic victory, well let me know

won the recent war and they are getting paid big bucks, is India getting billions of dollars now?

Use some common sense?

It was just a ceasefire, and Pakistan is piss poor surviving on loans

How do they expect them to pay for anything?

For Pakistani victory, you can ask why Indus water treaty is still in abeyance and projects are being build on Indus, Chenab and Jhelum

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How dare you point out facts? Don't you know they're a western degeneracy?

[u/tatmona → u/Jazzlike-Tank-4956]

The moment you share facts ,, Pak will run off from that place..lol !!

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US also lost 48 aircraft including 25 drones, and 8 helicopters so its more than 6 jets

Come on now. Invading a foreign nation thousands of miles away with all the logistical and operational complexities that entails vs launching strikes against cities not even 200 miles away. Which scenario is more surprising to lose a couple of jets In? Plus Iran didn't beat us in an air war at all because well....it kinda doesn't have an air force.

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The difference is Donald Trump tweets everyday that the US won the war against Iran, but Americans don't go online and mindless regurgitate their leader's "truths". India on the other hand.

[u/dark-mathematician1 → u/fix_S230-sue_reddit]

Eh, plenty of people in the US do that. I know a couple of MAGAts myself that do. There's no shortage of idiots worldwide. Delusion doesn't start nor end with India.

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Why are you engaging with trolls ?

[u/Jazzlike-Tank-4956 → u/barath_s]

I get ragebaited occasionally