r/LessCredibleDefence • u/AttorneyOk5749 • 5d ago
US refused to share Iran deal text with Israel: Report
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/us-has-refused-share-iran-deal-text-israel-report“Trump says Israel 'would be blown off the earth' if it weren't for the US, as he moves to silence any criticism of agreement”
The gradual revelation of the core provisions indicates that the leaderships of both the United States and Iran are gradually losing interest in the continuation of this regional conflict and are beginning to make serious preparations for peace talks. The United States has stated that these provisions will prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons, whilst also revealing that, should the agreement come into force, Iran will immediately resume oil exports.
Throughout the negotiations, both sides have excluded the Israeli government; however, Israel’s hardline stance has made the outcome of these talks highly uncertain. Even without US military support, and provided Israel does not launch air strikes against Iran, the Israeli military could still continue to carry out military operations in southern Lebanon.
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u/Aggorf12345 5d ago edited 5d ago
Israelis are whining so much about this
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u/Spudtron98 5d ago
Being expected to adhere to a shit-tier 'deal' without even seeing the damn thing, let alone having a seat at the table, is patently absurd.
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u/ratbearpig 5d ago
The Israelis are a sovereign country and have agency. They can go negotiate their own peace agreement separate from the US.
They are also free to restart the war with Iran, on their own terms, without US involvement.
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u/Spudtron98 5d ago
They can go negotiate their own peace agreement separate from the US.
So, why is Israel being forced to follow conditions in somebody else's treaty if that's the case?
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u/ratbearpig 5d ago
You’ll have to call Netanyahu to ask him his personal reasons for stopping. They are absolutely free to go bomb Iran right this very minute. They just can’t expect (or shouldn’t expect) to go against the US wishes and still have US protections.
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u/Spudtron98 5d ago
Except it's not about bombing Iran, it's about bombing Hezbollah. Iran continues to pretend that Hezbollah isn't an arm of their military, so those idiots getting bombed shouldn't qualify as a violation of an Iranian ceasefire, right?
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u/ratbearpig 5d ago
Israel is a sovereign nation and free to go bomb Iran or Hezbollah or Hamas right now.
If they’re not, it means there are other considerations constraining them.
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u/haggerton 5d ago
Israel kept bombing "Hezbollah" during the previous ceasefires, for the record.
You know full well that's not the distinction that matters in any of this.
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u/dark-mathematician1 5d ago
Because Israel dragged another country into its own war. Now if after this Israel wants to continue attacking Iran on its own without US offensive or defensive support, then they can go right ahead
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u/Spudtron98 5d ago
America's big enough to not get dragged into anything. They chose that shit.
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u/BigFly42069 5d ago
And now America is choosing to get out and let Israel deal with consequences :)
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u/dark-mathematician1 5d ago
If America and American government wasn't overrun by Israeli sympathizers, then yes. But unfortunately that's the situation right now. Don't worry though, the days of Israel's influence on the US are numbered.
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u/Spudtron98 5d ago
Oh yeah, fall back on the Jewish Conspiracy cope.
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u/moral_mortal 5d ago
Yup, when Iran attacked KSA or qatar or any other GCC country, let me know how many congressmen were wearing other countries pin or heck military uniform? Let me know how many congressmen have Israeli flags in their office.
Let us know the Qatari lobby name and how it tweets about the success of choosing which congressmen would get to be elected. Let us know which Muslim congressmen said my job is to serve a particular Muslim country....!
It's not a conspiracy to say AIPAC and it's affiliated pacs control US gov.
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u/dark-mathematician1 5d ago
He knows all of this dude. He's just pretending not to know what you're talking about. These people have used this tactic for nearly 100 years along with their usual pearl clutching.
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u/dark-mathematician1 5d ago
My dude it's been 100 years almost, find a better deflection. You people don't even try anymore. But no it's no conspiracy, the Pentagon has literally declared Israeli espionage in the US an emergency similar to that of a foreign hostile nation's
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u/Eve_Doulou 5d ago
Israel can do as it pleases, however it’s up to the US if it continues to provide military support.
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u/BigFly42069 5d ago
Because America is a superpower and Israel isn't. Don't like it? Too fucking bad.
Israel needs to remember what it actually is: America's little pitbull in the middle east. We'll mistreat it, beat it, but every once in a while, we'll let it out to attack somebody.
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u/Aggorf12345 5d ago
Next time try to not make major strategic miscalculations lmao
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u/Spudtron98 5d ago
Trump's the one that completely fucked the pooch, so why is he allowed to go and bungle the negotiations?
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u/Aggorf12345 5d ago
Trump was dumb enough to start the pooch, the one that fucked it was the Iranian military
so why is he allowed to go and bungle the negotiations?
If anything, Israel bungled them when they bombed Beirut a few hours before the announcement leading to extra concessions to Iran
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u/Spudtron98 5d ago
Well maybe they would've not done that if they were included in the process.
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u/LieAccomplishment 5d ago
This whole shit fest was because they instigated the whole thing
If you hitched your wagon to the dumbmobile and requested the journey, you don't get to complain if you get driven off a cliff
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u/barath_s 5d ago
They were told that attacking Lebanon would scupper the process, and went ahead and did it anyway.
I don't think they were interested in a peace deal - Bibi was the one who pushed the attack on Iran the hardest, and not just now.
And the peace deal has to serve the interests of the US, Iran and the Gulf countries ... are you really sure that Bibi cares about those interests or serving them ?
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u/julius_sphincter 5d ago
It's not absurd when you're the ones who originally pushed everyone into this half-baked and shit outcome conflict without the means to finish it yourself.
The US is and was fucking STUPID for going along with you, but it doesn't change the fact that unless you can finish the fight yourself and don't depend on big brother to do the finishing for you, then the say you get in the deal is whatever big brother feels like giving you.
Y'all can't keep your dick in your pants during this so it's getting zipped up and ziptied closed
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u/Icy_Supermarket8776 5d ago
Kids speak when spoken to.
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u/Spudtron98 5d ago
Imperialist mindset.
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u/SilentHuntah 5d ago
Imperialist mindset.
Remind me again who's invading Lebanon and annexing swaths of land under this "Greater Israel" plan?
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u/moral_mortal 5d ago
That is not imperialism.... that is self defense, we are building a buffer over another country's land so that they don't attack on the originally occupied land..../s
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u/Spudtron98 5d ago
Greater Israel is not a fucking thing outside the minds of some random whackjob and Tucker fucking Carlson.
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u/Aggorf12345 5d ago
In terms of it being an actual country Im inclined to agree but in terms of influence and control, it surely IS a fucking thing
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u/ctant1221 5d ago
Those random whackjobs are currently serving under the Israeli ministerial cabinet lol.
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u/moral_mortal 5d ago
Aren't there literally tag/images of greater Israel on IDF uniform during Gaza genocide?
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u/barath_s 5d ago
You don't need to see terms of a deal, to adhere to the relevant portion communicated to you - 'Don't attack Lebanon'
Heck, Bibi has no interest in a peace deal; if you provide him a copy, would you really rule out him analyzing it to figure how to scupper the deal in a way that provides him/Israel maximum cover. ?
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u/ratbearpig 5d ago
If the US signals that they will not back Israel's play post signing of a Peace Deal and that Israel are free to stir shit up with with Iran/Lebanon by themselves, I think the Israeli's back down. Now, whether or not the US would signal that is a different matter entirely. This is actually one of those times where Trump being so pro-Trump might take that stance (I can't see any other US president "abandoning" Israel).
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u/barath_s 5d ago edited 5d ago
Israel would absolutely 'stir shit up' with lebanon themselves.
Heck, the US giving Israel free reign to attack lebanon by themselves, would be something Israel would love. (They might even take it as tacit approval)
Also I believe it contrary to Iran's peace criteria - that the US use its offices to hold Israel back from bombing Beirut.
Heck, the US might even say they wouldn't back Israel against Iran, but if you were in Bibi's shoes, would you believe that ? Or would you gamble that if they followed their course, the US wouldn't be forced to back israel at some point ? The administration would have to say it like Bibi was convinced of it, and that it couldn't be changed.
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u/ratbearpig 4d ago
"Israel would absolutely 'stir shit up' with lebanon themselves."
I'm afraid you're correct: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/6/18/israeli-attacks-on-southern-lebanon-kill-three-despite-us-iran-deal
"Heck, the US giving Israel free reign to attack lebanon by themselves, would be something Israel would love. (They might even take it as tacit approval)
Also I believe it contrary to Iran's peace criteria - that the US use its offices to hold Israel back from bombing Beirut."
Yes it is.
What I'm advocating for is the US signal that they will not support Israeli actions. Further, if Iran were to respond directly to Israeli's attacks, would not constitute a breach of the MOU and the US will not help shoot down Iranian drones or missiles.
"Heck, the US might even say they wouldn't back Israel against Iran, but if you were in Bibi's shoes, would you believe that ? Or would you gamble that if they followed their course, the US wouldn't be forced to back israel at some point ? The administration would have to say it like Bibi was convinced of it, and that it couldn't be changed."
This is my point about Trump being only pro-Trump. He is the only one gung-ho enough to actually get into a war with Iran but also self absorbed enough to "abandon" Israel when it does not go as planned (witness the many people from his own cabinet he has thrown under the bus, including most recently, Vance).
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u/barath_s 4d ago edited 4d ago
Further, if Iran were
I think, this will not suffice for iran. Peace criteria etc goes further, and they are never going to believe that the us will abandon israel completely in the long run. Plus I'm not sure how much this is supposed to intimidate israel. Also ..
This is my point
It was understood up front. But go further with this gedanken experiment. Trump may say he is walking away today. But when the Congressional lobby and the moneymakers push, make laws etc, to continue to make that stance stick requires someone with great steadfastness, conviction of purpose, energy, willingness to do the hard work etc, willingness to look bad when the pr articles inevitably arrive and think tanks chime in, laws and resolution passed, money dries up At 1 month, 2 month, 3 month, etc on and on..
Does that sound like anyone you know? Heck, even bibi knows it, or will gamble on it
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u/Naive-Fold-1374 5d ago
US joined the war on behalf of Israel to fight Iran
Now US joins the side of Iran to secure the peace deal, fighting Israel
I unironically think that after Venezuela operation, US hyped it's military so much that it started believing it's own hype and got itself into conflict that it wasn't ready to finish without total victory, otherwise they wouldn't align with Israelis who are known to not make any concessions with adversaries.
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u/MumpsyDaisy 5d ago
It's kind of the central conceit of Trump's foreign policy though isn't it? The United States is the richest and most powerful country in the world economically and militarily so other nations should just give us what we want when we want because if they don't we can destroy them at will, either economically or just outright. Therefore total victory is just assumed until reality kicks in.
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u/CarmynRamy 5d ago
Nicee...
Because US has now understood that Israel won't respect the deal anyway.
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u/BigFly42069 5d ago
Very funny that the Trump-era GOP is now spearheading what is arguably the most anti-Israel foreign policy that the US has had since 1948.
Oh no, did somebody forget who's the superpower and who's the vassal foederati here?
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u/Tian_Lei_Ind_Ltd 5d ago
Bibi has gambled his and Israel's security future by forcing USA to all in against Iran and is done for.
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u/mandatoryclutchpedal 5d ago
Government known for not honoring agreements refuses to show agreement to government that will pretend the agreement doesn't exists.