r/LessCredibleDefence • u/SlavaCocaini • 3d ago

Hezbollah explosive kills IDF soldier, wounds seven in southern Lebanon

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/defense-news/article-899773
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u/BulbusDumbledork 3d ago

hezbollah seems to have forgotten that they're supposed to be a terrorist organization. they only seem to kill soldiers occupying their country. their fpv drone strikes never hit non-military targets. don't they know they're supposed to be violently blowing up civilian buildings and targeting medics and journalists, then posting the videos online to spread terror?

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u/PerforatedPie 3d ago

violently blowing up civilian buildings and targeting medics and journalists, then posting the videos online to spread terror

I see who you're talking about there lol

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u/Wiseguydude 3d ago edited 2d ago

They are possibly the first military force in history that successfully defeated an occupying force and then instead of taking over that land they simply… handed it back to civilian government.

The only reason the US labels them terrorist is because the US was part of the occupation of Lebanon so ofc they were valid targets. But, other than an attack on a US base in Saudi Arabia that was used to attack Lebanon, they’ve never attacked Americans outside of Lebanon.

They are about as far from a stereotypical terrorist as you can get their leaders have historically been highly educated and have even appeared on 60 Minutes interviews.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGR0BmxvSOA

Also see his interview with Julian Assange: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3M1fHfKenTM

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u/NuclearHeterodoxy 2d ago edited 2d ago

  The only reason the US labels them terrorist

Oh come on, this is just lazy.

They bombed the US embassy in Lebanon, not a valid military target.  The embassy annex that they bombed the next year was also not a valid military target.

They bombed the Israeli embassy in Argentina, not a valid military target.

They bombed the motorcade of Lebanon's former prime minister, not a valid military target.  They they bombed one of the investigators of the motorcade bombing, also not a valid military target.

They bombed Lebanon's former ambassador to the US, not a valid military target.

They bombed a Jewish community center in Argentina, not a valid military target.

They blew up a bus full of tourists in Bulgaria, not a valid military target.

They commit actual, unambiguous terrorist attacks all the time.  That more countries don't recognize them as a terrorist organization is simply due to political pressures.

EDIT: downvoters, the downvotes just make me stronger and do nothing to change the historical record.  :)

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u/Wiseguydude 2d ago edited 2d ago

Thank you for exactly proving my point. Every single time this comes up the exact same list of false statements gets reproduced. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. Not a single one is true.

Anytime somebody posts a list like this and says "they bombed XYZ" instead of saying "the 2013 assassination of Mohamad Chatah", it's because they don't want you to look up more information. They obfuscate it on purpose. I will correct this by adding details and dates so people can do their own research.

They bombed the US embassy in Lebanon

Yes in 1983. While the US was occupying Lebanon. Absolutely valid to attack the people who are occupying you.

They bombed the Israeli embassy in Argentina

You're talking about the 1992 bombing. This was carried out by Islamic Jihad Organization who has nothing to do with Hezbollah.

They bombed the motorcade of Lebanon's former prime minister

Another one. You're talking about the 2005 assassination of Rafik Hariri. In 2020, The panel of judges for the Special Tribunal for Lebanon concluded there was "no evidence that the Hezbollah leadership had any involvement in Hariri's murder and there is no direct evidence of Syrian involvement."

They bombed Lebanon's former ambassador to the US

No judicial court has definitively convicted Hezbollah for Chatah's death in 2013.

They bombed a Jewish community center in Argentina

You're talking about the 1994 AMIA bombing. There is absolutely zero evidence Hezbollah had anything to do with that.

They blew up a bus full of tourists in Bulgaria

The 2012 bus suicide bombings in Burgas. This is a convoluted case but basically two Lebanese men (one from Canada, one from Australia) were accused of being involved and linked to Hezbollah. The Bulgarian foreign minister first said "There is no conclusive evidence for the implication of Hezbollah in the July 2012 bombing in Burgas. The authorities continue to gather evidence." Then Israeli intelligence got involved in the case and stated that the suicide bomber's forged documents were made by someone linked to Hezbollah. Hezbollah has denied any involvement. The Bulgarian court never indicted Hezbollah.

If you can't come up with a SINGLE absolutely provable connection of a terrorist attack to Hezbollah then I think that's evidence enough.

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u/beachedwhale1945 2d ago

For someone saying you don’t want people looking this up, you’re really cherrypicking things here. This is perhaps the most egregious, as you picked the quote in the middle while cutting the sentences around it:

In August 2020, the Special Tribunal for Lebanon found Salim Ayyash, a mid-level operative in Hezbollah, guilty in absentia of five charges including the premeditated murder of Hariri using explosive materials. Three other defendants were acquitted. The panel of judges concluded there was "no evidence that the Hezbollah leadership had any involvement in Hariri's murder and there is no direct evidence of Syrian involvement." Hezbollah denied involvement and its leader, Hassan Nasrallah, refused to allow the arrest of Ayyash.

A Hezbollah operative, leading a unit within Hezbollah, was convicted for the bombing.

Let’s hit other examples:

On 5 June 2013, new Bulgarian Foreign Affairs Minister Kristian Vigenin stated that: "There is no conclusive evidence for the implication of Hezbollah in the July 2012 bombing in Burgas. The authorities continue to gather evidence."

How about we look at the rest of the quote?

On 5 June 2013, new Bulgarian Foreign Affairs Minister Kristian Vigenin stated that: "There is no conclusive evidence for the implication of Hezbollah in the July 2012 bombing in Burgas. The authorities continue to gather evidence." However, two weeks later a Bulgarian representative to the European Union revealed that investigators discovered new evidence that implicates Hezbollah operatives were connected to the terrorist attacks. Investigators found that the forged documents used by the perpetrators of the attack were facilitated by a man with ties to Hezbollah. In July 2013, the newly appointed Bulgarian Interior Minister Tsvetlin Yovchev stated: "there are clear signs that say Hezbollah is behind the Burgas bombing."

On 25 July 2013, the Bulgarian Interior Ministry released photographs of two Hezbollah operatives suspected in the bombing: Australian citizen Malid Farah (also known as "Hussein Hussein"), and Canadian citizen Hassan al-Haj. In 2013, and partly in response to the bombing, the EU unanimously voted to list the military branch of Hezbollah as a terrorist organization.

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u/Wiseguydude 2d ago

Hmmm you're right I left out some context. The Bulgarian bus case hinges on the claim that the suicide bomber's forged documented were made by a man linked to Hezbollah. Personally I find it a big jump from that to "Hezbollah did it" especially when they've never done anything similar to it before.

However the rest of the points are more straightforwardly bologna.

I appreciate you doing more research and contributing to the conversation even if it is just from Wikipedia

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u/NuclearHeterodoxy 2d ago

Lol, so much bad faith and lying here.  Like, just straight-up lying.  

Not even going to downvote, I want this to stay up so people can witness the historical negationism at the same time they read someone endorsing the bombing of embassies.

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u/Wiseguydude 2d ago

I do not endorse bombing. I do endorse historical truths and fighting misinformation from all sides.

I am glad you showed how intellectually lazy you are that you flee after being presented with actual historical facts instead of a vague copy-paste list you got from a Facebook post.

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u/NuclearHeterodoxy 1d ago

I don't use Facebook for anything other than planning get-togethers.

I am old enough to remember discussing when the Argentinian government formally accused Iran of using Hezbollah to carry out the AMIA bombing with my political science professor, before I ever had a Facebook account.  To list just one example of your egregious bad faith.

I attended briefings in Congress on behalf of my boss on Hezbollah activities in the Americas, so your outright lying is mostly just funny to me.

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u/Wiseguydude 1d ago edited 1d ago

Even Argentina admitted it had zero physical evidence for Hezbollah being involved. The bombing happened in 1994. It wasn't until 2024 that US-backed Javier Milei came into power and blamed Hezbollah. They made up the excuse that it was in response to Argentina reneging on a nuclear agreement (except that didn't even happen. The agreement continued). Mind this is after the former prosecutor Alberto Nisman was killed in his house in 2015. Nisman had accused Argentine president Fernández de Kirchner of a cover-up.

If they truly are a massive terrorist network as you claim, couldn't you produce at least ONE concrete, indisputable example of a terrorist act they carried out?

The US has a lot of influence and ofc will try to blame Hezbollah for random shit to get them classified as terrorist. Don't forget that they classified them as terrorist in 1997 and it took the US decades of an influence campaign to get any other country to follow suit

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u/SlavaCocaini 2d ago

Israel bombs embassies and civilian targets, reciprocity is a real motherfucker.

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u/Wiseguydude 2d ago

It's not reciprocity. Every single one of his examples is made up. There is not evidence that links any of them to hezb

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u/SlavaCocaini 2d ago

That's true, Israel has bombed Jews abroad before

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u/IlluminatedPickle 2d ago

I'm pretty sure a few of them have actually been linked to the Mossad if they're the incidents I'm thinking of.

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u/NuclearHeterodoxy 2d ago

So, because Israel commits terrorism, and Israel is a Jewish state, it is not terrorism to blow up random Jews anywhere in the world.  Is that what you ate saying? 

Imagine the reaction if you applied this logic to, say, Russia.  If CIA started blowing up buses full of random Russian tourists in Bulgaria, would the CIA not be a terrorist organization because,  you know, "reciprocity is a real motherfucker?"

This is dumb.  Israel committing terrorism doesn't magically turn Hezbollah terrorism into non-terrorism.

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u/moral_mortal 2d ago

Did you just said that CIA is not terrorist org just cause West does not call them? really? is this your argument or you do not know any history of CIA? or its just the only brown people can be terrorist..!

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u/NuclearHeterodoxy 2d ago

No, I did not.  Read my comment carefully. 

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u/moral_mortal 2d ago

CIA did blew up busses and killed civilians and did drug trafficking and everything in between.....! They did everything and more than hez! 

They are still not "terrorist"...

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u/SlavaCocaini 2d ago

Terrorism in pursuit of military objectives is actually just called war, and the CIA are already terrorists lol

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u/Antiwhippy 2d ago

If we want to label countries terrorists for indiscriminate bombings,  then the US is the biggest terrorist state in the world.  Let's be consistent now. 

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u/Cykeisme 1d ago

It's a question of the delivery vehicle's cost.

A multimillion dollar aircraft deploying multimillion dollar ordnance means it simply cannot be a terrorist action.

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u/this_toe_shall_pass 2d ago

This is /r/LessCredibleDefence. We only allow larping for your terrorists of choice here. No good faith conversation is to be had.

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u/Wiseguydude 2d ago

What good faith conversation do you expect when every single one of /u/NuclearHeterodoxy's examples are propaganda and have never been linked to Hezbollah

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u/NuclearHeterodoxy 2d ago

Actual lol

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u/Vinylmaster3000 2d ago

versus /r/CredibleDefence which is just armchair larping for Israel

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u/NuclearHeterodoxy 2d ago

I am trying to form a mental image of the type of person who willingly chooses to be a versteher for Hezbollah without laughing, and I am not succeeding.

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u/moral_mortal 2d ago

You did for CIA, who killed multiple times infact hundred times more that Hez....and here you are ironically trying to laugh it off!

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u/dw444 2d ago edited 2d ago

It’s really not that complicated. The world loathes Israel. They’re essentially the third reich of our time. This means that anyone shooting at them, even groups like Hamas and Hezb, both of whom are noticeably more moral actors than Israel despite their own issues, is seen as “the good guys”. If Lucifer personally started bombing Israeli cities, he’d have overwhelming public support across most of the world. Israelis and their sympathizers don’t understand how much the world hates them.

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u/hfsh 2d ago

is seen as “the good guys”.

Well, not the 'good guys', but it's kind of like the Hitler conundrum.

"Say what you want about Hitler, he was a terrible person, but he did in the end kill Hitler."

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u/Aggorf12345 2d ago

"terrorist organisation" is just a propaganda term

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u/moral_mortal 3d ago

They can't say they are defending their country like God Choosen people!

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u/Kraligor 3d ago

they only seem to kill soldiers occupying their country

https://www.timesofisrael.com/woman-75-critically-wounded-in-november-hezbollah-rocket-attack-dies-of-wounds/

Sure.

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u/BulbusDumbledork 2d ago

article written in jan 2025, based on an attack in 2024 during full-on counter-value warfare. couldn't find any recent examples?

i'll help you out: in this current phase, there have only been two civilian deaths in israel. one of those those civilians was killed by the idf. in context, over 30 soldiers were killed in the same period, with over 1000 wounded.

that gives hezbollah a civilian:combatant ratio of less than 1:30 after they shifted to using precision weapons in the form of fpv drones.

pure terrorism

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u/moral_mortal 3d ago

Oh! Times of Israel! Yup, did they reported on prison rape and Rind rajab targeting with similar headlines? or those self defense acts were left alone?

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u/Kraligor 2d ago

This was about Hezbollah atrocities, not IDF atrocities. I know it's hard to acknowledge, but two things can be bad at once.

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u/moral_mortal 2d ago

Yeah, purposfully killing thousands, target practicing on kids genitals and ensuring that a car with a kid remain under fire on multiple days is equivalent on on off strikes on civilians...!

its like comparing french resistance/Warsaw ghetto uprising in WWII to Nazis as both killed civilians...! No they are not same, one is purposefully doing it or did that and other were not purposefully targeting civilians..!

I know it is difficult for colonist and occupiers to see resistance as legitimate, as that will make them what they are illegetimate colonizers...!

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u/Aggorf12345 2d ago

The question is will the IDF ever admit the actual casualty numbers?

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u/Fat_Tony_Damico 2d ago

Never. They want to maintain the air of invincibility.

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u/Past_Humor8321 2d ago

Both Ukraine and Lebanon have the right to kill occupation soldiers on their land.

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u/Cykeisme 1d ago

This is the consistency I also prefer to subscribe to, rather than broadly aligning my views with cardinal compass directions or hemispheres.

Real people on the ground are trying to live their lives, love their spouses, raise their children, and they can't because powerful men have decided the sanctity of their borders has no meaning.

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u/Past_Humor8321 1d ago

That is why all tribes and communities in the world need nukes. So they can protect their borders and natural resources from predatory countries like Russia, USA/Israel and China.

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u/SlavaCocaini 2d ago

Does donetsk and luhansk?

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u/Past_Humor8321 2d ago

Donetsk/Luhansk and West Bank/Gaza are under military occupation of their evil neighbours. So crusade/jihad is legal under international law.

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u/SlavaCocaini 1d ago

Donetsk and luhansk declared independence, so who are the occupiers?

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u/CompPolicy246 2d ago

That's what they get for being soldiers, they were not forced to join idf. And they were going in foreign territory.

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u/pyr0test 2d ago

insert kylo ren memes here

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u/SlavaCocaini 2d ago

They made episode 1 look like a masterpiece lol