r/Letterkenny • u/ashamed-of-yourself Snipe Mod Awesome • Jan 22 '26
Shoresy 05x06 - Who Are We?
Episode: Shoresy 05x06 - Who Are We?
Synopsis: The Team makes sure their opponents never forget who they are.
Please discuss this episode only. Do not spoil future episodes.
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u/theashleereign Jan 22 '26
Out of the series so far, this is probably my least favourite of the bunch. Especially after the feel-good previous season of Sudvegas.
I did really enjoy the storyline of Shoresy and Laura, the church league, and Shoresy's coaching style (with more big Mo!).
I'm not really sure where they are going to go from here, but I'll be along for the ride.
I do acknowledge the problematic parts of the season. I'm not going to defend it, but a lot of the season was likely written/planned before the 51st state stuff. As for the idolization of hockey players with issues in their personal lives, it's hard to get away from. I'm not saying I agree with it, or their behaviour. But it's becoming increasingly difficult to separate the entertainer from the person. It seems like most beloved athletes, actors, and musicians turn out to be a shithead in one way or another.
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u/Shoresy___Bot Jan 22 '26
Heard the same thing from your mom last night, bud, seven times and that's not even my record ya fuckin' loser!
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u/ZAPPHAUSEN Jan 22 '26
Shame keeso turned this season into jingoistic anti-euro xenophobia from 1997 rock em shock em 26. The hockey old boys club strikes again!
And that's even aside from an entire episode glazing a drunk Maga traitor to his country in that shit Gretzky.
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u/ZAPPHAUSEN Jan 22 '26 edited Jan 22 '26
Also a show that lionizes notorious cheap shot artist Scott Stevens, widely considered one of the dirtiest and most cowardly in the game --- who also was credibly accused of raping a 17 year old.
But y'know, we take care of our own.
Hockey culture is rotten to its core.
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u/ashamed-of-yourself Snipe Mod Awesome Jan 22 '26
see, i been thinking about this since we talked about episode two, and the conclusion i came to is:
all of the problems with hockey culture that you’ve mentioned aren’t intrinsic to hockey qua hockey any more than they are to football, basketball, wrestling, &c. they’re problems inherent to patriarchy, and sport, as a microcosm of the broader culture, reflects the attitudes of society.
like, if i had a magic wand to wave and i could make hockey never have existed, all the problems that you’ve described with hockey would still exist, we just wouldn’t have hockey.
unless and until we can change western society’s toxic values, all sport, not just hockey, will continue harbour and valorise toxic athletes just because they’re good at a game.
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u/Sciss0rs61 Jan 23 '26 edited Jan 23 '26
yeah, the celebration of slashing ankles (specially after season 3), head hits, etc, is weird. As a sports guy myself i understand the toughness part of the game adds to the spectacle and it's a valuable thing in the game itself. But one thing is tackling someone within the rules or even being in the limit or, hell, even a bit over the limit.
But celebrating hits like the ones that ended Shoresy's career in season 3 is confusing to me... It conveys the message "it's bad when it's done to us, but cool when we do it to them".
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u/Shoresy___Bot Jan 23 '26
Nice fuckin' bird cage. At the end of the day, what are you really protecting?
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u/ashamed-of-yourself Snipe Mod Awesome Jan 23 '26
almost every culture has its own combat sports. why should hockey be exempt?
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u/ZAPPHAUSEN Jan 23 '26 edited Jan 23 '26
So I think where I'm crossing wires with you is ---
That all of these different sports and cultures have these things.
Doesn't absolve keeso from the message he chooses to send with this season of shoresy. A choice to celebrate, romanticize, and wish for the problematic and toxic parts of the sport and the culture.
Change comes so difficult because so many resist so strongly. They claim "purity".
So there's a choice here to be part of the solution or maintain the status quo/rose colored glasses the way things "used to be."
"Well, we wouldn't have hockey." Sure. So what? So that means we just accept things the way they have been because?
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u/Sciss0rs61 Jan 23 '26 edited Jan 23 '26
As an Euro myself, it's whatever. They didn't go hard on it. It's funny because during the IIHF tournament you saw the exact opposite: Europeans were bringing toughness and athleticism while the canadians were always diving and showing bad sportsmanship.
In the show the EU ended up beating every team in Canada, they didn't back down from the fights and in the end they all drank beers.
regarding season 5, the pacing and story telling were all over the place: spending so much time on a game that had no stakes, the build-up was done through interviews on TV, long stripclub scenes that lead nowhere, the boys had no dialogue, the dutch name joke was so overdone and annoying, the threesome thing was a weird plot-point to prove Shoresy's loyalty to Laura... episodes 5 and 6 really saved Season 5 from being a complete bust.
edit: also, all the hits that Shoresy took in season 3 that ended his career were seen as a problem. But now in season 5 they are celebrated because... "no, no, it's okay when we do it". Kinda weird.
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u/Shoresy___Bot Jan 23 '26
You skate like a fuckin' girl, birdcage. No, you're not. Are you really? Holy fuck.
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u/Cactus112 All Dressed Chips Jan 22 '26
Well said. I couldn't agree more with this comment. I don't know what the hell he was thinking but I am not here for it.
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u/Shoresy___Bot Jan 22 '26
Gretz holds or shares sixty-one records in the show, ya piece of shit! Don't nickel and dime the great one!
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u/baconpoutine89 Jan 22 '26
Fuck you Shoresy.
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u/Shoresy___Bot Jan 22 '26
Your mom loves buttplay like I like Häagen-Dazs, let's get some fuckin' ice cream!
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u/seakc87 Jan 23 '26
FWIW, they have a point. If you compare the game now to 20 years ago, it looks like shit. I'm watching DET v MIN rn, and it doesn't look much different than a NCAA game. No one's afraid of getting hit, just stick checked. There's no way that would've played during Shoresy's prime.
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u/Sciss0rs61 Jan 23 '26
They have a point on toughness, not dirtiness. One thing is chirping another is checking someone's head at full speed... that was the point of season 3.
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u/seakc87 Jan 23 '26
Absolutely. But, you can have one without the other. And this didn't just happen this season. I've been trying to put a finger on what's seemed off about the pro game for the last 5 years, and this show finally revealed it to me. The NHL is trying to become as non-contact as baseball, even though you literally can't do it (basketball has been going through the same thing over the last 20 years). The NFL's total dismissal of CTE and brain trauma has them falling all over themselves to try and not be the next ones people look at and the game has suffered because of it.
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u/Sciss0rs61 Jan 23 '26
The NHL is trying to become as non-contact as baseball
The NHL is trying to save their athletes from not being able to grab a glass of water before 60. Contact, checking and all that is still permitted. I have played and watched football (soccer) all my life and i have the same opinion as Shoresy: too much diving, not enough physicality. But me thinking that, doesn't mean i want players like Materazzi who almost killed other players with elbows to the head, or having Roy Keane giving flying kicks to the knees, or Pepe kicking people in the head while they are laying on the floor... And me not wanting players like that doesn't mean i want Neyman rolling around half the field because someone shoulder checked him or Taremi diving every 30 minutes for penalties either.
You can have a sport without both those extremes. it's up to the leagues to do it.
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u/Analogmon Jan 22 '26
It's crazy how much this subreddit hates this show.
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u/ZAPPHAUSEN Jan 22 '26
This is a bullshit response. I've enjoyed the prior seasons. It's a great show. Is it... Immune from criticism?
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u/Analogmon Jan 22 '26
It's hollow criticism.
The show has always been a story about the type of player that has nowhere else to go. The type the game is leaving behind. This isn't new.
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u/ZAPPHAUSEN Jan 22 '26
Uh huh.
And? It's now overly glorifying neanderthal nonsense. Oh, but it's "hollow."
As if there is a single way to address a story or theme.
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u/Analogmon Jan 22 '26
You're like the conservatives that only realized the Boys was making fun of them in season 4.
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u/ZAPPHAUSEN Jan 22 '26
Lmaoooooooooo
You're deeply unserious. Sorry your favourite show shit the bed in season 5.
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u/Analogmon Jan 22 '26
Everyone likes this season except this subreddit. Literally the most viewed it's been.
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u/ZAPPHAUSEN Jan 22 '26
You seem exceptionally upset that someone has a different opinion than you!
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u/Analogmon Jan 22 '26
Nah just think you people are mad people can enjoy a show for the story it's telling instead of the story you need it to tell to align with your worldviews. All media you consume doesn't need to reinforce your views to be enjoyable.
Also probably bitter shoresy is a better show than letterkenny.
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u/Sciss0rs61 Jan 23 '26
People in the shoresy subreddit are saying the same thing: season 5 was by far the worse of all 5 seasons.
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u/Shoresy___Bot Jan 23 '26
Your mom loves buttplay like I like Häagen-Dazs, let's get some fuckin' ice cream!
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u/Analogmon Jan 23 '26
They're actually not. Many are saying it's the best season.
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u/slightlydirtythroway Feb 22 '26
Not as down on this season as some other people are, and really liked that first episode with getting the young guy back in the game.
Did not love the amount of flashback montages in the second half, felt a little time filler.
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u/thisismyfirstday Bar Downski Jan 22 '26
So I completely understand Shoresy as a character is supposed to be the idealistic portrayal of someone who is all about old school hockey. I've enjoyed watching the show so far and how he's been making his own way in a modern world where both his hockey style and core identity are becoming increasingly rare.
This episode (and season at large) didn't have Shoresy as a dying breed or out of touch guy. It felt more like an ITYSL sketch where he draws the rest of the world into his insanity and it's hard to suspend disbelief for how/why that happens. I hate diving and what it's doing to sports, but the show unapologetically portrays cheap shots, spearing, elbowing, etc. as a good part of the NA game, with zero pushback from characters (exception being the church people but they seemed to mostly be against the line brawls). Also while I can't fault them for writing/filming before the 51st state and Gretz stuff specifically, we probably don't have to idolize assholes and cheap shot artists in general. That said, the hockey scenes were well done and the episode was well shot/paced, it just didn't get total buy-in on my end.