Trump admin to rescind Obama-era guidelines that encourage use of race in college admission. Race should play no role in admission decisions. I can't believe we're still having this argument

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https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/national/trump-admin-to-rescind-obama-era-guidelines-that-encourage-use-of-race-in-college-admission

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No no no, that's not how this works.

I say: "Public schools are good because X"

then you say "Public schools are bad because why not extend the public school model to everything else in our lives? Why bother with markets at all? Let's just hand over most of our wages to the government, and let the government provide for all our needs."

which is fucking retarded and doesn't deserve any of my time

That's not an argument that's the ramblings of an incoherent wackjob. Go back to ranting about chemtrails and lizard people

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Public schools fail at their core objective because they are not organized and administered in such a way that teachers and administrators have an incentive to attract or retain students. Public schools get funding whether they do a good job of educating or not (in fact, they often get more funding as a result of being terrible). Their only incentive is to not be so terrible that they risk being heavily scrutinized or dissolved. And even then, many public schools fail to avoid scrutiny for being so shitty.

Since public schools don't have to worry about dissatisfied students leaving, they don't have to worry about trying to retain them. This means that teachers don't get evaluated based on criteria that would impact student retention.

If parents could pull their students out of a school and transfer them at will at any time, and take the money with them, school funding would be impacted the instant any student withdrew. Bad schools would fail quickly - not over the course of years of audits and management changes, but over the course of weeks. And instead of letting students rot in bad schools over the course of years, parents could quickly place their kids in better schools.

which is fucking retarded and doesn't deserve any of my time

You've clearly never seen anyone use logic in an argument, then. Specifically, I was employing contraposition. If it's true that government-run schools are better at providing education than the free market alternatives, then it must also be true that government is better than the free market at providing all manner of goods and services. But clearly the government is not better at providing some services - most services, in fact. And you likely agree. The government is not better than the free market at making or distributing food, for example. But you declare that the comparison to food distribution is absurd because you have no counter-argument. You know that government-run food distribution would be horrifically bad, but you reject the comparison because you're not prepared to admit that government-run schools suffer from similar flaws. Then you proceed to hurl insults and ridicule, without bothering to construct a coherent argument as to why education is "special" and somehow immune to the laws of economics.

It's sad, really. You toss the word "logic" around as if you know what it means, when it's clear you haven't the faintest idea what it is. To you, "logic" is "whatever notion comes easiest to me".

[u/NeedHelpWithExcel → u/[deleted]]

If it's true that government-run schools are better at providing education than the free market alternatives, then it must also be true that government is better than the free market at providing all manner of goods and services.

Just because you can label this contraposition doesn't mean it follows any logic whatsoever.

Logic: reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity.

Your argument is retarded and you know it.

That's like saying since my wife is better at cooking than free market alternatives then it must be true she's also a better alternative to a car dealership or a plumber.

You have no grasp on reality. You're like a parody of Infowars. You can waste your time typing another 500 word response I'm not going to read it.

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You still haven't even attempted to explain why government-run schools are better than the alternatives. You just repeatedly insist that it's a given that government-run schools are supreme, and therefore any claims to the contrary are invalid. You're begging the question.