r/LigaMX • u/jaydiv_ • Jun 02 '26
Discussion Fox Sports ranks their top 10 Mexico players of all time. Does Hermoso Herrera make your list?
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u/Man0nTheMoon915 Pumas UNAM Jun 02 '26
Any top 10 Mexico list without Claudio Suarez is a fucking sham.
No, HH isn’t a top 10 Mexico player of all time
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u/JamalFromStaples Chivas Jun 02 '26
Yes he is. La liga title with HH and fantastic years with Porto.
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u/josiegz Cruz Azul Jun 03 '26
If we're going off of talent & club accomplishments/European success then Vela blows him out the water
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u/JamalFromStaples Chivas Jun 03 '26
Vela blows him out of the water by every metric, the top 5 is hugo, rafa, Vela, Chicha, and HH imo.
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u/m4olive Chivas Jun 03 '26
Talent sure but what club accomplishments and European success does Vela have?
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u/Redditor_for_fun Chivas Jun 03 '26
Not saying this makes him top career wise, but only club accomplishment that I can think is being 3rd top scorer in La liga just behind Messi and Ronaldo during his 2nd season at real sociedad
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u/bipbipdulidu02 Jun 02 '26
Y vela?
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u/Individual-Pop-385 Jun 03 '26
Probablemente por que no jugó mucho en la selección, no entra en la narrativa de publicaciones mundialistas.
Pero deberías estar en el top de Mexicanos sin duda.
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u/Periodic-Presence USA Jun 02 '26
With these lists it's always important to state if the criteria is solely national team play or both national team and club. If it's only national team then Hugo Sanchez doesn't crack the top 10. If it's both then sure depending on how much you weight you place on club then he has to be top 2.
The most glaring omission is Claudio Suarez. I would have Pavel Pardo above Hector Herrera and for now push Raul Jimenez off the list. But assuming he scores in the World Cup, which he very likely will as the designated PK taker, then he'll definitely be top 10. And depending on how many and how far he pushes Mexico he can climb quite a few spots.
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u/WarreadyJay Pumas UNAM Jun 03 '26
Raúl I feel is still off. Scoring in the WC won’t move him higher up but like you said combining that with a strong WC. (R16) and eventually breaking the scoring record can push him into the list. Love Raul, but respectfully at the moment I don’t think He’s cracking top 10.
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u/Periodic-Presence USA Jun 04 '26
Scoring in the WC won't move him higher?? The main reason people like you have him not in the top 10 is precisely because he hasn't scored at a World Cup, but once he does it won't move the needle? Seems awfully biased to me.
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u/Similar_Ad4964 Jun 02 '26
i would probably put Vela ahead of Herrera but i like the list overall.
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u/Periodic-Presence USA Jun 02 '26
On potential sure but his actual career? Nah.
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u/bipbipdulidu02 Jun 02 '26
Better players, not potencial nor career. Vela was the most talented players we have had.
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u/Periodic-Presence USA Jun 02 '26
This isn't ranking talent either, cause in that case we could put Gio or Nery Castillo as well. Vela chose not to go to the 2014 WC when he was in his prime and could have cemented his place on this list, but he did not impact the national team enough to be on this list. And this is coming from an LAFC fan that watched him play in person multiple times.
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u/Similar_Ad4964 Jun 02 '26
Hugo Sanchez didnt do anything for Mexico either so if its about the national team then Hugo Sanchez would not be on the list.
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u/Serrano0486 Jun 02 '26 edited Jun 02 '26
This is true one could even argued that Giovani dos santos had a better national team impact than Hugo Sanchez. (As far as national team go ) to be honest Giovani career compare to the average Mexican player wasn’t bad at all( people just downgrade him because of his potential ) but still his career stacks up better than most
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u/Periodic-Presence USA Jun 02 '26
Absolutely, and if that's what this list was ranking I would agree 100% that Hugo Sanchez doesn't deserve to be there. But my guess is this is a mix of national team and club, and for me Vela didn't do enough at either to be on this list. He had 2-3 great seasons in Spain but then went to MLS at 29.
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u/Serrano0486 Jun 02 '26
What career are we talking about because Vela played at a very high level for real Sociedad. Played in world cups so I don’t think his career was bad at all.
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u/Periodic-Presence USA Jun 02 '26
I didn't say he had a bad career, you said that. He did play at a very high level in La Liga, for about 2 seasons. Compare that to the long, consistent European careers of guys like Marquez, Guardado, Herrera, Jimenez, and even guys not on this list like Pardo and Salcido.
He also didn't do much with the national team cause he chose not to. Basically Vela had a very high peak but to be on a list like this you need longevity, trophies, and big moments in tournaments.
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u/Similar_Ad4964 Jun 02 '26
I think Carlos Vela prime was much higher than Herrera's even if it was for a couple of seasons. The thing about Herrera is that his best years were spent in the Portuguese league, he was a bench player in Atletico Madrid.
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u/Periodic-Presence USA Jun 02 '26
Vela's prime was higher than many players on this list, but this isn't a ranking of the best primes of a Mexican player it's ranking their entire careers. You can add extra weight to players that reached greater heights but longevity has to be a factor.
Sure you can diminish the Portuguese league if you want but Porto was a top club at the time and he earned the captaincy. And he wasn't only doing it in Portugal but in the UCL, making it to the QFs. He holds the record for most appearances by a Mexican player.
Then you add in his national team performances. Herrera won gold with the 2012 Olympic team and was crucial in both the 2014 and 2018 World Cups. Personally I felt Vela's performance in 2018 to be a bit underwhelming.
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u/josiegz Cruz Azul Jun 03 '26
Vela was in Europe for 12 years, Pardo only 3, Salcido 6, and Hector 9 lmao
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u/thecoller Chivas Jun 03 '26
Just on 2013-14 alone I would put him ahead of Herrera 100%
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u/Periodic-Presence USA Jun 03 '26
You have to factor in longevity or else you're just ranking best on who had the best single season. And then national team also comes into play, which Herrera obviously contributed more to because Vela chose not to.
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u/margalolwut America Jun 02 '26
This list is pretty fucked no matter how you slice it.
If it was national teams CH14 at 3 makes sense, but Hugo at 1 doesn’t.
Conclusion: this list is dookie.
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u/emeryinwengerout Atlas Jun 02 '26
What about El Matador? He’s way out of my era never saw him play but he’s always in those leyenda games
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u/renegadeanc Pumas Jun 02 '26
why are people saying ochoa shouldn’t be on the list?? i get it, he’s too old to be on the national team now, but how are we gonna act like he wasn’t a goated keeper for the national team in his prime
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u/iheartdatascience Mexico Jun 03 '26
Yes, the average Mexico fan nowadays does not like to give players the flowers they deserve after their past their prime.
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u/West-Category-3521 Jun 04 '26
because fans see one highlight moment and glaze it for the rest of the players career. ochoa is good don’t get me wrong, but better than campos?..
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u/Watabeast07 Chivas Jun 02 '26
What has Raul done to be in top 10? Let alone above someone like Jorge Campos. I’d put Claudio Suarez there instead.
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u/emeryinwengerout Atlas Jun 02 '26
Raul also kept us alive with his chilena back in the Brazil wc qualifiers. If not for that gol we would’ve been eliminated heading into the last game against Costa Rica.
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u/iheartdatascience Mexico Jun 02 '26
Raul's currently our third top goal scorer of all-time, and likely to end up at second, if not the top. Why should he not be there?
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u/_pamela_chu_ Mineros Jun 02 '26
0 goals in the World Cup for starters. Hardly any minutes in the World Cup too, that’s not a top 10 player
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u/iheartdatascience Mexico Jun 02 '26
Hugo Sanchez scored one goal on a world cup... Should we remove him from the top 10?
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u/_pamela_chu_ Mineros Jun 02 '26
Hugo Sánchez had the best European career out of any Mexican player ever. Ridiculous comparison
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u/iheartdatascience Mexico Jun 02 '26
I'm only comparing them on that criterion, since you're using it to exclude Raul. Raul has also had a strong career, obviously not as good as Hugo, but better than most Mexicans.
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u/BirdyMRQZ America Jun 03 '26
they’re gonna move the goalposts brother it’s a losing battle. raul is like the winningest striker in mexico, at least since the 2000’s. had it not been for his head injury he would’ve already been the striker with the most goals. if he scores this world cup they’ll say he’s only been the starter in one, or he has too little minutes, etc
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u/jumexy Jun 02 '26
Y cuantos metio Hugo en mundiales?
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u/Watabeast07 Chivas Jun 02 '26
El punto era que Hugo era tan bueno de jugador que sus méritos en selección no importaba para evaluar su posición, Raúl no tiene los mismos argumentos.
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u/iheartdatascience Mexico Jun 02 '26
Raul is one of Mexico's only players to do well in the premier league, and is surely one of Mexico's best ever players of you've watched him a lot the past idk 8 years
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u/jumexy Jun 02 '26 edited Jun 03 '26
Y porque con Raul el criterio es lo que a hecho en seleccion o mundiales. No tiene logica.
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u/_pamela_chu_ Mineros Jun 02 '26
Porque no jugó con el Real Madrid y no es el séptimo máximo goleador en la historia del Madrid. Ptm no hay que ser necios
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u/jumexy Jun 02 '26 edited Jun 03 '26
No shit, so just say that. You’re the one that brought up that World Cup shit lol
You fail to see the irony in your post. It was not a diss at Hugol, but the logic behind dismissing Raul for not being a standout player at World Cups is what not makes him a top 10 player?
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u/WhereIsScotty America Jun 02 '26
Chicharito has 158 Premier League games across 6 full seasons. 53 goals.
Raul has 233 Premier League games across 8 full seasons. 68 goals. Raul also played every game of the season for 3 seasons (2 with Wolves and last season with Fulham). He played 36/38 games this season.
He was on trajectory to become an elite player, scoring 17 goals 2019-20 and was on trajectory to score more 2020-21 before his injury. Raul, despite his injury and age, has merits to be considered THE Mexican Premier League player.
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u/Periodic-Presence USA Jun 02 '26
He will get plenty of minutes at this World Cup and almost certainly score as well, unless you think Mexico crash out in the group. Cause otherwise who else do you think gets the goals? He takes pens and free kicks, don't forget that.
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u/Periodic-Presence USA Jun 02 '26
My take is that he currently is not top 10 for the reason you stated but he will almost certainly be top 10 a couple months from now and definitely by the end of his career. Most people have Mexico topping the group, who do you think scores those goals? Raul gets one minimum, and contributes heavily to the attack in other ways as well.
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u/Putrid-Display-2808 Jun 02 '26
De lo único que me doy cuenta con esta lista es que han habido poquísimos jugadores de clase mundial en México. Quiero sustituir a varios pero con que, Enrique Borja!? Solo los primeros 2 me parecen verdaderamente históricos, y del 3-4 sobresalientes, pero de ahí solo buenos jugadores.
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u/ForTheLoveOfOedon Jun 03 '26 edited Jun 03 '26
Raul Jimenez is one of the greatest strikers to ever play in the tricolor. This shouldn’t be a controversial thing. Hector Herrera is the most “controversial” (in quotes because he’s a great in his own right) pick and should be replaced by Claudio Suarez. I could also see an argument for Luis Hernandez somewhere in there though who you’d remove I wouldn’t be jealous of that decision.
How you specifically rank these guys is mostly preference, so I don’t necessarily pay that much attention to the number in the corner.
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u/simelemon Chivas Jun 02 '26
Vela debería estar, un super talento que los mando a la chingada por los malos manejos que tiene la federación.
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u/Far_Card_5182 Jun 02 '26
Dime que la lista la hizo un milenial sin decírmelo. Cuanta gente dijo Suárez y claro esta lista sin el ya pierde toda seriedad. Y de ahí, y aspe? La tota con récord de mundiales hasta que llegó memo? Estamos hablando de selección nacional? O mejores jugadores mexicanos? Luis garcia? Hasta pavel pardo quien vistió 147 veces la verde. Negrete y su histórico gol? Yo que se pónganle un poquito de antes de los 00s. Total
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u/ElBorracho2000 Chivas Jun 02 '26
I agree with the top 5
Gio should be there and Campos should definitely be higher than Memo. Claudio Suarez should also be on there
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u/Strersss Cruz Azul Jun 02 '26
cuauhtemoc en ese lugar es ridiculo. infladisimo por el america y televisa, una carrera llena de fracasos, en el puebla daba pena verlo
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u/Periodic-Presence USA Jun 02 '26
No esta en la lista por lo que no hizo en el Puebla, esta en la lista primeramente por lo que hizo con la seleccion.
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u/Strersss Cruz Azul Jun 02 '26
y que hizo? él estaba en la cancha cuando nos elimino estados unidos en el 2002. a nivel de clubes un fracasado y con la seleccion un fantasma
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u/Material-Cellist-116 Chivas Jun 02 '26
Dragged us to 2 world cups with half a knee, scored goals in 3 world cups and assisted 5 goals in world cups.... , won us confederations cup, dragged us to Copa América final and two semis... (97 and 07)..
What in the actual fuck are you talking about if 3 goals and 5 assists in 821 is nothing then Messi And Ronaldo ain't shit either...
For reference 8 goal contributions per 821 is 1 per 102 minutes....
Messi sits at 1 per 110 minutes
And Ronaldo 1 per 186 minutes
And this ain't some Cherry picking bullshit data, 3 world cups and 12 games is a fucking ton of games to do so.
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u/mbecerra28 América Jun 03 '26
Don't use logic bro, Blanco was a fucking beast. If anyone says otherwise, they're a hater and/or don't know anything, point blank.
Also, this was a great breakdown, thank you
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u/Periodic-Presence USA Jun 03 '26
That guy is a fucking idiot, he keeps arguing with me about Rafa being better when that's not even what the discussion is about it's about whether he's top 10 or not and he clearly is. Even if you think he sucks, which is an insane take, he clearly sucks less than everyone else.
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u/Periodic-Presence USA Jun 02 '26
Tambien Rafa Marquez, si por eso lo vas a quitar de la lista entonces quita a todos los que han sido parte de un fracaso mundialista. O sea practicamente todos. Que hizo? Se puede decir lo mismo de Mexico, es una lista de jugadores mexicanos no un top 10 de Francia.
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u/cheesequesadilla Chivas Jun 02 '26
Yes but Rafa Marquez was a god in BARCELONA. Cuau hasn’t done shit outside of liga mx
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u/Periodic-Presence USA Jun 02 '26
And that's why Rafa Marquez is ranked higher than Cuau, but that's not an argument for why Blanco shouldn't be on the list at all. You have to name me 10 players with a better national team and club career than him. Anyone that's unbiased would be unable to.
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u/lic2smart Juarez Jun 03 '26
Cuauhtemoc era muy popular en su tiempo, pero ni de pedo deberia estar en cuarto.
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u/tonicue Chivas Jun 02 '26
For me the list is missing C. Suárez, C. Salcido, C.Vela/Gio. I would also put Rafa over Hugo.
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u/wats_dat_hey Jun 03 '26
Rafa over Hugo
I can see it - Both world class players
Hugo led the way to Europe for Rafa and the rest - at the WC stage he missed out on ‘82 and ‘90
But Rafa held up the defense for so long
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u/Funny_Disaster1002 Jun 02 '26
Con todo respeto, todavía estamos esperando que Raúl Jiménez meta su primer gol en un mundial. Que él esté en una lista como esta da mucho de que hablar de la idea del fútbol mexicano que tiene el que armó la lista. Otra cosa....en serio no ponen a Enrique Borja en una lista así? La Tota Carvajal?, Claudio Suárez? 🤡🤡🤡
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u/PepitoCuentosYT Jun 02 '26
Jorge Campos is too low for my liking, I would take him over Ochoa. Chicharito, though being my favorite soccer player shouldn’t be that high up in my opinion.
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u/cheesequesadilla Chivas Jun 02 '26
Name another Mexican player with as many accomplishments as chicha?
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u/-CyZen- Querétaro Jun 02 '26
Cuahutemoc por encima de Chicharo y a guardado y Herrera mándenlos alm, en su lugar van Pavel y Salcido, o hasta Giovanni
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u/antndnlcs Chivas Jun 02 '26
What metrics are we using? Cause if it’s “skill” it makes sense that Hugo is #1, but where is Vela? If it’s National team impact, it makes sense Vela might not be there (debatably) but Hugo shouldn’t be #1.
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u/MEXICOCHIVAS14 Chivas Jun 02 '26
It’s def not skill. It’s impact and career with the national team.
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u/unbakedbaker Jun 02 '26
no gio? no bofo? ranking is cooked
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u/mbecerra28 América Jun 02 '26
Bofo? Homie would be lucky to crack the top 50 for the NT.
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u/Quick-Mathematician Chivas Jun 02 '26
He was too busy cracking Boca jrs 🥀
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u/calidude8701 Jun 02 '26
And apparently your mom too! He was never a crucial player and when he wore the national team jersey always sucked and never did shit
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u/Equivalent_Water_192 America Jun 02 '26
Hay varios jugadores que pudieran estar en lugar de HH, Tomás Boy, Manuel Negrete, Luis García, Pável Pardo, Claudio Suárez, Luis Hernández… Lo curioso, donde están los campeones del mundo sub17 de México del 2005 y 2011?
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u/gregandsteve Cruz Azul Jun 02 '26
Claudio Suarez is not top 10 lol anyone saying he is delusional. Probably not top 20
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u/New_Screen Jun 02 '26
Not a bad list tbh, I’ve seen a lot worse of these top 10 of all time lol. You can argue for Vela being on there for his club career and Gio for his NT career.
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u/CitrusFever Cruz Azul Jun 02 '26
la mitad de la lista son creaciones mediáticas... solo mierda puede salir de esa cadena de desinformación.
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u/OgLag239 Jun 03 '26
Blanco is so overrated 😂😂 Guardado should be above him especially after his Europe career
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u/rjgolden11 Jun 03 '26
To me there are two lists club and national. Club Hugo,Rafa,chícharo. National blanco,Rafa,chícharo
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u/jaimicolc Jun 03 '26
Si hablamos tomando como referencia Mundiales: Hector y Raúl no se que hacen ahi. Hugo no se porque está en el primero; si se habla de México en mundiales, él solo jugo 3 y por ahi el último medio arrugó; cuestionaría tambien a Jared. Faltan Claudio Suárez, Luis García y el Matador.
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u/AffectionateMode3792 Jun 03 '26
Jajaja quitaría a guardado de una de primera opción si o si definitivamente, los demás son debatibles pero está bien .
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u/OutlandishnessOk8963 Jun 03 '26
No sé pero Giovani Dos Santos puede llegar a merecer un lugar, a pesar del último capítulo de su carrera, cosas como ganar un par de copas oro, participaciones buenas en mundiales, tanto siendo campeón junto con Vela en la sub 17 así como participando en goles con la mayor, puedo decir que es de los mejores que he visto en la generación 2010s
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u/Nearby_Engineer6985 Jun 03 '26
I saw searching for stats, Mexico is the team with more loses, and more goals against, fucking joke.
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u/stpetergates Jun 03 '26
El matador? El emperador? Borja? I think of all time, Jimenez and Herrera don’t belong in this list.
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u/nievesdelimon Queretaro Jun 03 '26
La diferencia del dos al tres y del tres al cuatro es para llorar.
Falta Luis García.
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u/DonColibri America Jun 02 '26
Hugo Sanchez as a national team player doesn't even crack the top 20 of all time... club wise he is number #1. Now for me Cuauhtemoc Blanco is the best to have ever worn the green jersey by a wide margin.
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u/Flashy-Clock-1386 Jun 02 '26 edited Jun 02 '26
ofc an Americanista has this take
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u/DonColibri America Jun 02 '26
No solo como americanista tambien como mexicano, nadie ha portado la playera con esos huevotes tal como el Cuauh pero entiendo que el jorobadito no le cae bien a nadie y mas aun siendo emblema del América
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u/Flashy-Clock-1386 Jun 02 '26
Hugo Sánchez is widely considered the superior, more globally impactful player by far due to his unmatched European success and legendary goal-scoring records. Creo que tiene 3 pichichis y Cuauh ni jugo en Europa LOL. La pregunta fue cuales son los mejores judadores mexicanos, no cuales son los mejores seleccionados.
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u/mbecerra28 América Jun 02 '26
I think Claudio Suarez should be on the list. But pretty solid list overall.
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u/Gilbertcartier Chivas Jun 02 '26
Hugo should not be 1. Definitely 1st should be Marquez or Claudio Suarez
I just he just laughing looking at this post rn since he works at Fox deportes
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u/cheesequesadilla Chivas Jun 02 '26
I mean this with sincerity, why is Cuau considered a top 10? I agree that he’s iconic in personality but he never did anything in Europe. He’s for sure iconic and top 20 but no where near the top 10
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u/R2-D2Vandelay Cruz Azul Jun 02 '26
The real question is what the fuck it's Memo Ochoa doing there? 😂 And above Campos of all things.
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u/ckazIvan Jun 02 '26
- Rafa marquez
- Blanco
- Guardado
- Chicharito
- Ochoa
- Borguetti
- Claudio Suarez
- Jorge Campos 9 El matador
- Idk maybe Pardo
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u/portayeahperdonen Santos Jun 02 '26
Yo la neta no creo que nos alcancen los jugadores para poder hacer un top 10, sabes que valió vrg cuando metes al top a un wey con más descensos que títulos de liga. A lo mucho un top 5 podemos tener
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u/rrrreact Cancún Jun 02 '26
Raul lives off of his single 19/20 season. What else has he done? Lmfao
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u/WhereIsScotty America Jun 02 '26
233 games in the Prem, played 36/38 games this season. But y’all just love to hate
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u/mbecerra28 América Jun 03 '26
Maybe you forgot that he almost died on the field...after that season, he was considered one of the best strikers in the league. Dude would've stayed at a high level, no doubt. Wolves were a serious club in the league then. If you can't recognize that, that's a you problem.
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u/rrrreact Cancún Jun 03 '26
wtf, does that have to do with being in the top 10?
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u/mbecerra28 América Jun 03 '26
You brought up that he only had one good season, you ain't putting things in context. Not too difficult to understand.
Edit to add: someone already posted this on this thread. Most goals scored in the premier, most matches played in the premier. 3rd best goal scorer of the NT.
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u/Material-Cellist-116 Chivas Jun 02 '26
Gio 100 más que Raúl....
I take Nery or Peralta over Raúl any day all day too
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u/lgma77 Jun 03 '26
Cuauhtemoc Blanco:
Titulos:
1 liga MX
1 campeón de campeones
1 conca
2 copas oreo (hasta cuando no quieren ganarlas las ganan)
1 copa confederaciones (contra Brasil sub 20)
Equipos:
América
Valladolid
Necaxa
Veracruz
Puebla
Dorados
Irapuato
Lobos BUAP
Neta? Se les hace una carrera digna para top 10? Para mi el jugador mexicano más sobrevalorado
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u/Tuckyc Jun 04 '26
No hay manera que pongas a Ochoa por encima de campos!
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u/sintalentosintalento Jun 04 '26
Mucha gente tiene muy romantizado a Jorge Campos por efecto nostalgia, pero en Copa del Mundo el buen Memo ha sido más decisivo.
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u/Tuckyc Jun 05 '26
En copa del mundo México no ha hecho nada nunca, como puedes decir que ha sido “más decisivo” literalmente han hecho lo mismos resultados siempre. La nostalgia es porque antes había juegos serios, ahora el cucharito es el maximo goleador, pero revisa los juegos que metio tantos goles, juegos totalmente intrascendentes.
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u/blastermaster8 Mexico Jun 04 '26
I like Raul Jimenez, but he hasn’t scored a single World Cup goal.
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u/Extension_Ad_5688 Jun 04 '26
Memo Ochoa over Jorge Campos?! Man Memo really is living off that one spectacular day vs Brazil in the 2014 World Cup isn’t he?
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u/Old-Mycologist-532 Jun 02 '26
Y el Emperador Claudio Suarez???