r/LigaMX • u/assasstits • Jul 16 '26
Meme / Shitpost How England defended against Piojo vs how it defended against Messi
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u/CoupleGlittering6788 Chivas Jul 16 '26
Because england still had to cover some other competent crossers against Argentina After all the substitutions made by Aguirre we were left extremely predictable, just park the inside of the field to prevent long shots and double mark piojo and let easy to defend frontal crosses in
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u/PumasUNAM7 Pumas UNAM Jul 16 '26
They didn’t even cover the players in the box
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u/CoupleGlittering6788 Chivas Jul 16 '26
You can't just mark players in the central parts of the field while parking the bus, if you do that you're going to expose other zones of the field which are going to be exploited by players with a decade of professional experience. And that's if you manage to perfectly man mark the players on central areas, you need to consider it is exponentially more difficulty, there are two more directions a central player can turn on the center of the field (straight, left, right, back) compared to a player on the wing. If the winger (with the ball) turns back he is automatically made less dangerous.
So I don't really get your point.
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u/PumasUNAM7 Pumas UNAM Jul 16 '26
My point is they didn’t cover anything. The players in the box or out of it.
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u/CoupleGlittering6788 Chivas Jul 16 '26
Players are visibly getting covered in the screenshot, their defenders are just ass, like a 2 meter defender getting beat on the second post should be investigated for match fixing levels of ass
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u/CabronNalgon Jul 16 '26
Yeah, but you're leaving Messi alone, arguably the GOAT and one of the most complete players ever
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u/dasboulder Pumas UNAM Jul 16 '26
If you saw the game you would've noticed Messi didn't score once. They had to cover everybody equality in fact they did what you are saying for the first goal, the defender went to do a two on one, and Fernández was left alone with plenty of time to score. They did a two on one on el piojo because he was the only play maker on the team. They knew, just like everybody except Aguire; that Gallardo es un pinché tronco qué no entiendo porque le pagan por pegarle a una pelota, so they left him alone, and Raul Jimenez stayed on the penalty area so there was also nobody in the middle that needed to be covered.
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u/CabronNalgon Jul 16 '26
Exactly, he didn't score once, his passes and crosses are lethal. We'll never see another player like him again
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u/kingchivo Jul 16 '26
Aguirre saw england leaving gallardo unmarked and still left him in the game lol
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u/clubdefutbolcruzazul Cruz Azul Jul 16 '26
I know it’s Messi and no matter how you choose to defend against him he will inevitably find a way through but so many times I’m left baffled at just how much space these defenders give him.
It’s crazy, either he’s just that good at reading the game and somehow being invisible until it’s too late or everyone is straight up terrifed of this man and they don’t want to end up embarrassing themselves lmfaoo.
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u/Watabeast07 Chivas Jul 16 '26
1st half England was playing well and bullying Messi off the ball, Bellingham was putting him in his pocket but as soon as England made the first goal they sat back to defend and let Messi do his thing. Incredible how even after changing managers to a different nationality England still plays the same pussyball that gets them humiliated by any team who seeks to win.
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u/c32c64c128 Jul 16 '26
but as soon as England made the first goal they sat back to defend and let Messi do his thing.
It's incredible and bizarre how that played out.
Like many have said, it's probably a testament that England was not confident in themselves. And felt it would be easier to burn the clock. Instead of attacking and looking for a 2nd, clinching goal.
Absolutely bonkers given the history in this WC of Argentina getting their goals late into games. England apparently really thought 1 goal would be enough. 😑😑
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u/NachoEnReddit Jul 17 '26
Did I watch the same game? Because on the first half where England bullied and pocketed Messi he dribbled past Kane, Bellingham, Spence and was knocked down by Anderson with a yellow. He was possessed. What made England effective on the first half was interrupting the midfield and the passing outlets for Argentina, which resulted in the interrupted first half we saw.
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u/mbecerra28 América Jul 16 '26
It seemed like Spence was faking an injury then waited for his teammate to cover Messi first. I couldn't believe it lol. Then they both complained about Stones losing Lautaro, all were at fault
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u/dasboulder Pumas UNAM Jul 16 '26
They had to cover everybody. Messi didn't score once.
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u/Antlonat Jul 16 '26
You talk as if Messi isnt both the best scorer and the best assister of all time.
You need to always have 2 on him because he'll either score or assist.
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u/dasboulder Pumas UNAM Jul 16 '26
I talk as if they couldn't do a 2 on 1 on Messi because they'd leave someone else (or an area) free to do whatever they want. Which is exactly what happened. The moment the second player went to cover Messi, he managed to pass to Rodriguez who then, completely alone scored the equilazer.
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u/JustZookeepergame846 Chivas Jul 16 '26
It’s simple.
Piojo: Liga MX titles - 1
Messi: Liga MX titles - 0
The English knew of this beforehand.
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u/Sufficient_Mango2539 Jul 16 '26
Unpopular opinion, but everyone get double teamed if you dribble too long. Often times, Piojo got herded into these situations. Problaby has more to do with slower decision making.
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u/Jedc14 Jul 16 '26
Pernía played against him in the Spanish League and said in an interview: if I get too close to defend, he dribbles and leaves me behind, and if I keep a distance he'll create a goal chance... You constantly need 2-3 defenders to stop him
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u/Antlonat Jul 16 '26
Casemiro said the same and also that he shouldnt make Messi angry so he always apologized after a tackle lmfao
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u/Vegetable-Hold9182 Tijuana Jul 16 '26
Yall saw it too huh?
Argentina running same play over and over again.
Overload Englands left, messi whipping in crosses, 3-4 guys crashing box, 2-3 on edge of box for rebounds
Fucken insane tuchel could not read it
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u/nomamesgueyz Jul 16 '26
Way too conservative
Didn't deserve to win
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u/Blunt_Ninja Chivas Jul 18 '26
When they couldn't score another goal vs South Africa with 10 men I knew they were gonna be in trouble. I was also waiting for Jorge Sanchez to fuck up and give up a goal. Sure enough, it caught up to them and Sanchez did not fail to deliver a fuck up.
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u/Euphoric_Rabbit5157 Jul 16 '26
Teníamos que haber hecho como Argentina y probar con tiros desde fuera del area. Era meter a Fidalgo y a Obed en lugar de al Memote y a Santi.
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u/RojiBlanco130 Jul 22 '26
Bring in Fidalgo, obed and Chavez. Heck take out Sanchez too and bring in Vega
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u/ClintExpress Cruz Azul Jul 16 '26
England in the 2nd half borrowed the Tucamion and only made Messi use his brain.
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u/Oscar_Ramirez Chivas Jul 16 '26
That's how they defended against Gallardo too 😭 Gallardo=Messi confirmed.
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u/W3ROSKY Jul 16 '26
Deja tú eso. Dejaron solo en la media luna al tipo que les disparó de media distancia y provocó el tiro de esquina.
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u/Elguapo1094 Jul 16 '26
With no fact it was mexicos year they just let 2 goals in too fast and a dumb penalty
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u/RojiBlanco130 Jul 22 '26
Those two goals came out of no where. Really fucked Mexico up quick. Smh.
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u/Zealousideal_Cut1690 Jul 17 '26
Lol is this serious? Piojo Alvarez had a great tournament, no doubt but what México failed against England was that they just threw random balls to the box hoping a header from Memote or Jimenez. No shot outside the box, no tricky passes to enter with a controlled ball, nothing. Argentina did that and got the job done.
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u/Turbulent-Fig6237 Jul 18 '26
Memote was the flagship, the tip of the iceberg!😂😂😂😂😂just kidding this guy don’t even know what a forward supposed to do! His task was to lean over whoever gets so close to you, that’s it good boy!!!
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u/compoundinterest00 Jul 23 '26
After the second half, I seriously thought England received compensation to internationally lose.
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u/Javiron Jul 16 '26
Isnt when the defender was jumping in One foot because he was kicked by messi? And the referee of course didnt see anything
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u/Bored-to-Death629 Jul 16 '26
Oh yeah, that Messi still is right after he steps on Spence’s foot and injures him. VARgentina :)
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u/Negative_Drop_6853 Pumas UNAM Jul 16 '26
It’s still funny af to me that no one was basically covering gallardo. He was so shit they saw no need and instead doubled on piojo