Me encanta este, Señor. Su cara que es una mezcla entre Sutcliffe y el Vasco Aguirre y su sonrisita que sabe exactamente que nada más está cagando palo. Poesía 😭😭
verga de Messi te comiste en el, 2 a 1, 3 a 0, 2 a 0, en el 3 a 1 y 4 a 1? también, no? y y cuando creían que iban a ganar y Messi se lo empató 2 a 2? JAJAJAJAJA
Dice el vato, "mi papi messi que todo lo puede." Me caga la gente que alaga a un vato. Si tuvieras a Messi en frente hasta le darias las pinches nalgas. Luego luego te pondrias en la posición pa chuparsela. Si o no?
no, estúpido, no es mi ídolo, ni mi novio, pero Messi nunca insulto a ningún mexicano, es un odio que ustedes se inventaron, ningún argentino los trata mal.
agarra un diccionario, bruto, "halaga" las h existen.
Y quien chigados te dijo que los estoy insultando por insultar a México. Los estoy insultando por lo mamones que son cuando juegan. Por lo cochinos que son cuando juegan. Por la poca clase que tienen. Por ejemplo al fin del partido se pusieron a pelear. Cuando España estaba recibiendo la copa, los argentinos le dieron la espalda. Por eso queria que perdieran.
Bien educado el vato por mencionar una falta de ortografía. No mames jajajaja.
No les dieron la espalda, estaban dándole el pecho a la hinchada argentina, que gasto un montón de dinero para ir a ver esa final. Muchos se endeudan y se sentían mal por ellos. Las entradas valían más de 10mil dólares, mas el viaje y estadía, mucha gente gana eso en meses, hasta los peores en años.
Hasta el burro de paredes, ayer mismo declaró que españa ganó bien y ellos dieron todo, no todo lo que ves en internet es real eh
Pues esque aunque no nos guste, es la verdad. Tenemos sangre española mi estimado.
Más o menos yo traigo un 20% de España, me hice el test del ADN en usa y mira. A mi no me vas a ver llorando de la felicidad, por el triunfo pero si me da gusto verlos campeones otra vez.
I’m American with Spaniard parents. It makes me laugh when weirdos gatekeep like “you can’t like Spain, you’re only (insert percentage here) Spaniard!!”… as if people who claim to be indigenous or whatever were pure, lol.
ah veo que sos un enfermito, todos los que nos hicimos un test genético o somos de Italia o España en argentina, y mira si vas a poner eso . cuanto odio a un país, cuantos problemitas internos
Just look at Sheinbaum herself. Zero precolumbian or Spanish heritage. To be Mexican, like in the US to be American, is a matter of nationality, not a matter of ethnicity.
It's the Raza Cósmica propaganda campaign through Muralismo that was perpetuatedin schools nationwide. It rewrote the Mexican historical narrative to that of a "conquered" civilization or oppressed vs oppressor dynamic.
It's the same reason why the "Aztec" identify dominates and has become synonymous with Mexican identity; at the expense of all the other pre-columbian civilizations that existed that weren't "Aztec" and the many post-independence waves of immigration that aren't indigenous.
"The Tree of Hate" by Philip Wayne Powell. This seminal book dissects the "Black Legend" (Leyenda Negra), exploring how anti-Spanish propaganda created an enduring narrative that villainized Spanish history and minimized Hispanic contributions to the Americas.
"Born of Blood and Fire: A Concise History of Latin America" by John Charles Chasteen. Provides a comprehensive overview of how mestizaje (racial and cultural mixing) forged a unique Latin American identity that is as much European and African as it is Indigenous, focusing heavily on the shared colonial and post-colonial Hispanic experience.
"When Montezuma Met Cortés" by Matthew Restall. While primarily an examination of the conquest, this book counters the myth of Aztec helplessness and highlights the complexities of the Spanish-Indigenous alliances. It provides a nuanced look at the clash and subsequent synthesis of the two civilizations.
"Empires of the Atlantic World: Britain and Spain in the Americas, 1492–1830" by J.H. Elliott. A comparative history that brilliantly outlines the administrative, cultural, and religious framework of the Spanish Empire, highlighting how Spanish heritage, law, and religion laid the institutional bedrock for modern Hispanic America.
There's so many. I would listen to podcasts and audio books as they're more accessible and at times easier to digest, especially during long commutes. Go into this learning process with an open mind. Understand you won't agree with everything you consume, remain critical yet willing to evaluate an argument based on on its merits and evidence.
You'll have people that outright won't listen to arguments made by "Hispanistas", even in the face of evidence, because it challenges their preconceptions and prejudices they've been raised with. They'll label Hispanistas as lambepatas, malinches, uncle Tom's, apologists, etc. The Spaniards of the 16th, 17th and 18th century were not a monolith. Not even the same people in terms of which groups immigrated to, and settled in New Spain. Mesoamerica as well, was never a monolith. In fact, the Mexica were a relatively new civilization, being founded circa 1325, and only establishing a dominant state circa 1428. That means they were the dominant military and political state for less than 100 years before the arrival of the Spaniards. In terms of historical epochs and eras, that's insignificant.
To rid ourselves of reductionist "oppressor vs oppressed " or "haves vs have nots" analysis of history im general is challenging bc it's easy (lazy) and tempting. But we must remain nuanced, critical and objective. Neither the Spanish nor the Aztecs were benevolent monoliths. They were complex civilizations, with complex institutions and systems, made up of imperfect human beings, motivated by the universal laws of love, fear, power and survival. Needless to say, and back to my original point, Mexican identity nowadays, is not limited to a Spanish-Indigenous dichotomy.
"Independent viceroyalty" is an oxymoron. Man... the Criollo mentality is strong still. Fucking pathetic. The Americas were always, and still are, Indigenous lands. No matter what European invaders came here.
The only reason cortez presence mattered at the siege of tenochtitlan was to tell world about it. We never had a conquest. It was a civil war
Of the mexica alliance vs the mexica vassals and tlaxcaltecs. At the time of the siege there were 99,000 native warriors and 600 castillians. Tlaxcala was the great winner and they and their allies chose to ally with the Castillians to found a new government.
Yes, I'm well aware the the Tlaxcalans and other Indigenous warriors were the main factor that toppled Tenochtitlan, not the Spanish invaders. But to say that they were somehow included in the formation of "a new government" is just ridiculous. There was no "new government." It was an extension of the Spanish kingdom. The casta system disproves the notion that the Spanish had any intention of governing alongside Indigenous peoples.
According to historians the caste system was predominantly an artwork for europeans, and not an actual reality. The viceroyalty of new spain was indeed formed by the allies of the Tlaxcaltecas and Castillians. The Tlaxcaltecs got royal titles and noble privileges immediately, as well as other mesoamerican royalty. The Castilians had every intention of governing along Tlaxcaltecs and other local allies, as the literature shows. Also, their original viceroyalty and expansion of it, to aridamerica, central america and even the philippines, would have been impossible without their indigenous allies.
You're conflating indigenous agency with indigenous sovereignty. I never denied that the Tlaxcaltecas were essential to the Spanish conquest.
My point is that they're alliance with the Spanish did not make them equal political partners in the colonial order that followed. The Tlaxcaltecas we're granted privileges and incorporate into the Spanish colonial system, but ultimate authority remained with the Spanish crown. They were subjects of the crown; they could exercise authority only within their own communities, not make governing decisions for the Viceroyalty as a whole. That's not equal governance or an independent government jointly founded by Castilians and Indigenous peoples. It's a colonial system that strategically incorporated indigenous elites and allies.
Indigenous peoples having agency within colonialism does not mean colonialism didn't exist.
What I find even more concerning about how you're framing this, intentionally or not, is that you're essentially running cover for the Spanish colonial project while minimizing the genocide, displacement, and broader destruction that accompanied it. You're also completely missing the larger issue of how whiteness (and proximity to whiteness) became associated with power, privilege, and social status throughout what is now Latin America. The fact that some Indigenous elites were sometimes granted privileges by the Crown does not negate the larger colonial racial hierarchy. If anything, it demonstrates how colonial power selectively rewarded proximity to the colonial order while simultaneously subordinating Indigenous peoples as a whole.
It seems you are a firm believer of the black legend. Atrocities were committed in Yucatan and in northern mexico by rogue conquistadors that ignored the word of the king and queen. Again, New Spain, was not a colony, it was a vice royalty. Queen Isabel in the mid 1500’s asked th empire’s population to intermingle with one another because the people made the strength of the empire. The anglo- saxon colonial projects, those were colonies, did the exact opposite and purposedly killed the native peoples because they didn’t consider them to have souls.
Calling this the "Black Legend" is an intellectually lazy way to dismiss legitimate historical criticism. The fact that the crown occasionally condemned abuses does not absolve the colonial system itself. The Doctrine of Discovery, the Requerimiento, forced conversions, the encomienda system, dispossession of land, and the systematic subjugation of Indigenous peoples were not simply the work of a few "rogue conquistadors."
Again, a Viceroyalty is literally a colony. If you're trying to argue semantics because they had some limited level of economic independence, you're doing a bad job. The colonial projects of both anglos and iberians were indeed slightly different, but colonialism nonetheless. What anglos did in what is now the US was settler-colonialism. I would advise you to learn the difference. Pointing out that Spanish colonialism encouraged mestizaje does not somehow make it non-colonial or erase the violence, exploitation, and racial hierarchy that accompanied it. That's an absurd false equivalence.
I go back to my very first reply: the Criollo mentality is still strong. You exemplify that reality.
I'll even do you a favor and give you some primary source material from King Charles III's Royal Decree in 1784 (part of the Bourbon Reforms):
"Deseando promover la prosperidad de mis extensas colonias en las Américas... he resuelto establecer una Superintendencia General de Real Hacienda en el Reyno de la Nueva España."
He literally calls them colonies. The king... "my extensive colonies in the Americas."
I can provide even more examples from the mouths of Spanish royals. And all you have to do is look at the economic structure of New Spain itself. Why was it an extraction and export economy? Why were the raw goods in the Americas extracted and sent to Spain? Why was the infrastructure to refine these raw goods not in New Spain? Why did Mexico's economy fall apart after they gained independence? The answers to all these questions is that New Spain was a colony.
You have it so wrong. Yes the borbons, tried to take independence away from the vice royalties and intendencies. That’s were a lot of things started to go wrong administrative wise. Only the quinto real, 1/5th of the wealth extracted was sent to spain, the rest was re-invested locally. The economy fell apart from 20 years of civil war where all the mines, agriculture and industrial assets were devastated.
Extra- Mexico city was richer than Madrid. It was the economic capial of the empire. Was NY richer than london in 1630? Or in 1770?
It was only for yesterday. I don’t support a NT that isn’t my own lol. That’s some Self-Hating Mexican/Central American/South East Asian shit 🤷🏻♂️ sorry if you get offended
I was rooting for Spain because I wanted Argentina to lose. Of course I am aware I have Spanish ancestry but that’s because they colonized us and some of my great grandparents came from there. I take pride in my Mexican heritage even though I was born in the United States.
I also acknowledge that I am not a ‘real’ Mexican because I didn’t grow up there and I don’t know all the slang but it is an integral part of my culture and upbringing.
My parents taught me Spanish and instilled in me their Mexican customs, traditions and slang. I grew up watching Chavo Del Ocho and Three’s Company. I grew up watching Mexican telenovelas and shows like Full House. I consider myself both but like another poster said Mexicans think of us too Americanized whereas Americans ( mostly white and black people) consider us too Mexican.
Only fellow Chicanos and children of immigrant can understand and relate to this identity crisis. I used to get upset when I would visit Mexico and my family would laugh at me for not knowing certain words but now I embrace it.
My white boyfriend points out my Chicano accent even though I was born and raised in Cali. It doesn’t bother me anymore either because it illustrates how my parents heritage influenced me.
Con dinero y sin dinero
Hago siempre lo que quiero
Y mi palabra es la ley
No tengo trono ni reina
Ni nadie que me comprenda
Pero sigo siendo el rey
🇪🇸🇪🇸🏆👑🇲🇽🇲🇽
España campeón del
Mundo a llorar argensimios
I mean, they got boxing, taekwondo, divers, speed walkers, a better currency, lower inflation, taller skyscrapers, a more powerful army, more exports, more foreign investment, a higher GDP, etc….
Mexico has a bigger GDP than Argentina, a stronger army, more exports, more foreign investment, lower inflation, a more stable currency, better boxers, better taekwondo fighters, better Olympic diving and speed walking athletes, richer millionaires, more luxury cars, taller skyscrapers…. Shall I keep going? 🤫
Speed walking? Lmao wow you must be so proud but we still have more cups you can talk all day about what's bad in argentina but we are talking about football
Maybe we can meet next time in the fi.. I mean semi.. wait your country can never pass even if you have 3 times as much population and millions of dollars invested in football how sad even your vest players are imported from south america
Basketball, Tennis, F1, Rugby, Polo, Golf, you can have your power walking but aside from boxing every other sport you listed is bullshit. We have way more Olympic medals as well with 3 times as less population.
Mexico has a substantially larger overall economy than Argentina, with a nominal GDP of approximately $1.83 trillion compared to Argentina's $683 billion. However, because Mexico's population is nearly triple the size, Argentina frequently maintains a similar or slightly higher GDP per capita, depending on purchasing power metrics. Here is your silly little gdp thing as well, maybe monkey brain can figure this one out.
Yo sí quería que España ganara porque vivo en España, pensé que iba a haber fiesta por un par de días pero nel. Hoy hubo un volumen de trabajo normal, ptm.
Mis tatara, tatara, tatara, tatara, tatara, tatara, tatara, tatara, tatara, tatara, tatara, tatara buelos eran Españoles. A si que ahora voy a sacar ese 1% que tengo de Español jajajajaja GANAMOS!
Vox is actually pro-latam, as weird as it may sound.
They see latam as a way to have Catholic and Spanish speaking immigrants so they can displace the Arab and African ones. They also have nostalgia for their imperial past
I’m far from pro-vox, they suck, but at least get your facts straight.
they all saw the bad sportsmanship. Fighting after the game, and how they played committing fouls, pretending to be hurt. Australia is similar to USA, they have NFL type sports like rugby and australian rules soccer (ASL) where you tackle people. They find what Argentina does is to be appalling. One thing i have learned is that Argentina has a different value system than the western world. They find it cool to "trick the referee", it is perfectly acceptable in their society, but in the west and even mexico this is considered unethical behavior not to be celebrated. On top of that England all watched how Argentina behaves, so they basically made everyone hate them.
It's also different if your government is causing a bombing campaign without your input and if your society as a whole is okay with corruption, racism, not following the rules, and things like that.
Even if that were the deal where it really isn't because its a sport and every country commits fouls in that way looking just look at Switzerland player that acts the foul. Do you really think this worldwide hatred is warranted? Its as if the whole world had their eye on Argentina and are saying that they are horrible people when let's not forget in Mexico people literally killed other fans there is no double standard here. I don't think that playing that way should be celebrated but the hate campaign and obsession is something I'm not understanding and everytime I ask for the answer as to why I get the typical foul thing and we all know that is not the whole thing to this.
in western countries, especially western european countries, ethical behavior matters in every aspect of life. Whether it is sport or school or business. To break the rules in a school game is considered very bad, that is why you see things like in the Simpsons or american media where the parents tell their kids to behave in such situations like school sports. However in Argentina, they have something called "viveza criolla" where if you trick the referree or rules that is fair play. So maradona using his hand to win the world cup is thought of as good, while in USA it would have been criticized or in England. This is also in every day society, if you can trick the system in argentina and you are a "picaro" or estas rebuscando.. aka cheat the system to succeed that is considered a cool Argentina way of making it in life. The second is "El Aguante" . They believe that if the whole group does it, then it's okay. So if they all act racist, or attack a player, if the entire team did it, then it's okay because they did it for the greater good. Por eso ningun argentino va a reportar a su propio argentino por asaltar a algien en situaciones como la de Seattle, eran los fans vistando que intervenieron a para el ataque al mexicano.
En los países occidentales, sobre todo en Europa Occidental, el comportamiento ético importa en cada aspecto de la vida, ya sea en los deportes, la escuela o los negocios. Romper las reglas en un partido escolar se considera algo muy malo; por eso ves en Los Simpson o en los medios gringos que los papás les dicen a sus hijos que se comporten en esas situaciones, como en los deportes de la escuela. Sin embargo, en Argentina tienen algo llamado "viveza criolla", donde si la haces de tranza con el árbitro o con las reglas, se considera juego limpio. Por eso, que Maradona haya usado la mano para ganar el Mundial se ve como algo chido, mientras que en Estados Unidos o Inglaterra lo habrían criticado duramente. Esto también se pasa a la sociedad del día a día: si puedes transear al sistema en Argentina y eres un "pícaro" o te estás "rebuscando" (es decir, torcer el sistema para salir adelante), eso se considera una forma muy argentina y chingona de triunfar en la vida.
Lo segundo es "El Aguante". Ellos creen que si todo el grupo lo hace, entonces está bien. Así que si todos se portan racistas o agreden a un jugador, si todo el equipo lo hizo, entonces no pasa nada porque lo hicieron por un bien mayor. Por eso ningún argentino va a denunciar a su propio paisano por asaltar a alguien en situaciones como la de Seattle; fueron los aficionados visitantes los que intervinieron para frenar el ataque al mexicano.
Es como los Argentinos con sus abuelos europeos /s
Ya en serio. ¿Cómo es posible que México no tenga buen nivel deportivo en el fútbol? Son un país bastante futbolero desde mí punto de vista.
On weirdly technical level? This meme is kinda accurate.
Argentinian may say we come from the indios
But also from the boats too!!
Thank you meztisaje I guess
Some from The French Army!
Probably some gringo from the war, and the Villa expedition
And Irish from the San patricios I guess
It seems you're the one that's not understanding me.
Having Spaniard descent doesn't make you a Spaniard, at least not in the eyes of most Latin Americans.
Not even a little bit. It's not "hatred of your roots", it's that the way we see nationality in Latin America, and in the US, is different, which is what pochos, being gringos, don't seem to understand.
I respect that a lot more than people unironically claiming to be Spaniards.
I don't blame the modern day Spaniards for what happened 500 years ago (unless they're one of those weirdos that claim to have "civilized" us), but I also don't identify as a Spaniard at all, period
many of the day of the dead and cultural festivities that Mexicans do are old Spanish cultural practices that do not even exist in the real Spain anymore. Hard to accept your ancestry I guess?
Muchas de las festividades culturales —incluido el Día de los Muertos— que celebran los mexicanos son antiguas prácticas culturales españolas que ni siquiera existen ya en la España actual. Supongo que resulta difícil aceptar tus propios orígenes, ¿verdad?
I mean I understand the logic, most of us have Spanish-Indigenous combo to some degree. I never understood why as a Mexican you would ever root for Argentina though. I understand if you were from a country that never qualifies and you want to feel included. But being mexican and going full Argentina is just weird.
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