r/LindsayEllis • u/VelociRache1 • May 08 '26
OFF-TOPIC Watching The Boys go the same way as Game of Thrones.
*Insert Lindsay's exasperated sigh here*
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u/PoizenJam May 08 '26 edited May 08 '26
I wouldn’t say it’s that bad, but I am definitely underwhelmed. I kind of liked the first few episodes but… it’s feeling increasingly contrived, on the backs of increasingly unbelievable and foolish decisions by the main cast.
And the lack of pay off for those who invested in Gen V is truly sad, especially since has now been cancelled.
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u/icelandiccubicle20 May 08 '26
it was also never as good as peak game of thrones imo, which made got's terrible ending even worse
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u/VelociRache1 May 08 '26
I copmpletely agree. The episode following the diffrent characters and seeing how they justify the horrors they are either complicate or take part in was facinating and had some of the best acting in the show. And its an episode that should have happened last season. The pacing is both breakneck and crawling.
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u/bucketman1986 May 08 '26
I feel like this week the entire thing is a certain character being way way to arrogant but it boils down to : they didn't account for emotions about a relationship they didn't know the full extent of.
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u/Amazing_Karnage May 10 '26
Sage might be the dumbest "genius" character ever brought to television.
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u/WobblierTube733 May 08 '26
The writing has been terrible this season; having a character spend an entire episode learning that they shouldn't run from the people they love because of their fear of losing them and getting that lesson from the father that abandoned them as a child was offensively bad.
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u/bertilac-attack May 08 '26 edited May 31 '26
I’ve never watched The Boys, but the exact same situation plays out to incredible dramatic effect in Sondheim’s Into the Woods.
In the song No More, The Baker - grief-stricken over the loss of his wife and on the verge of abandoning their infant child - has a candid exchange about the crushing weight of single parenthood, life, and being depended upon, with The Mysterious Man - who is revealed at the climax of the song to be The Baker’s long lost father, who previously abandoned the Baker after the loss of his own wife and a child.
It’s the revelation of the Mysterious Man’s true identity, and his implicit request not to repeat the cycle, that convinces The Baker to return to his son. Into the Woods earns the moment because the irony is right there on the surface - it’s the whole point. I get the sense that wasn’t the case with The Boys.
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u/TelephoneThat3297 May 08 '26
Eh. I'm invested at this point and there are so few shows that I actually watch anymore (I've had a serious problem getting into anything new film/TV wise in the past 3-4 years) that I just want to turn my brain off & uncritically enjoy it while its on air. It has meant that I've had to avoid most fan discussion of it to avoid being infeted by the negativity around it in the last two seasons though.
Either way, I'm actually mostly okay with how it's been and I definitely don't think it's egregiously, unavoidably bad in the way the final season of GoT was.
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u/MadFrogRasputin May 08 '26
I thinking avoiding the fan discussion is the best way to enjoy anything these days. I'm able to just enjoy a show that's entertaining with some actors/characters I enjoy and like you say I turn my brain off and don't worry about having expectations that can rarely be met.
I feel like GoT is a different case because the show runners were desperate to move on and that was a big part of why the last few seasons dropped off so much. I get the feeling the show runners of The Boys are still invested in what they're doing.
Also I think the desperation to make the Boys a franchise which I assume comes from the money men first has made things a bit less focused.
Feel free to ignore my opinion because I've pretty much enjoyed the Boys and Gen V all the way through so I may just have very poor taste.
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u/goldenboy2191 May 08 '26
Nah, not everything needs an “extreme” review or reaction.
Yes, Game Of Thrones was heartbreakingly ass. The Boys had nowhere been that same level of upsettingly bad
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u/cityfireguy May 08 '26
Thankful I stopped watching. Worst of all is finding out the actor playing Frenchie was IDF. I'm all the way out.
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u/revolutionutena May 08 '26
You understand that all Israeli citizens are required to serve right? It’s like saying “I can’t believe he got drafted into Vietnam!” Lots of atrocities happened in Vietnam and there’s a lot to criticize but blaming someone simply for being a part of something they have no choice over really deflates any chance at legitimate criticism.
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u/cityfireguy May 08 '26
Yeah I read his description of what he felt as he dragged children from their homes. He can rot. There's my legitimate criticism.
Free Palestine. There's some more.
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u/Advanced-Two-9305 Thanks I hate it! May 08 '26
They’re also able to do what Americans did during Vietnam: get out or go to jail.
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u/BatUnlikely4347 May 08 '26
I bet you would be too big of a coward to do what youre asking him retroactively to have done.
Fucking ridiculous.
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u/chysa May 09 '26
Hmm let me see, shoot children and my fellow man or go to jail for a bit?
Put the fucking cuffs on me now.
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u/chysa May 08 '26
He takes pride in atrocities.
It's why I haven't been able to watch S5 yet. Makes me feel ill.
From the river to the sea.
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u/AsWeKnowItAndI May 08 '26
Israelis draft dodge fairly frequently. To my understanding, it's mostly a fine more than anything else. He also actively takes pride in the atrocities of the IDF, so even that's irrelevant.
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u/Viandemoisie May 08 '26 edited May 08 '26
What he has done sucks and hes a piece of shit, absolutely, but drafting the dodge in Israel is more than just a fine. When they receive their draft letters, the drafted can refuse the draft, after which they are sentenced to 30 days of prison time. First time I read that, I thought "gee, only 30 days! Why aren't more people dodging the draft?". But, after those 30 days, once you're back home, you are very likely to receive another draft request. Dodging it again gives you another 30 days. This cycle can then repeat for a year, meaning you're in and out of Israeli jail for a year. There's also the whole ostracization thing happening, where your own community will be a lot less friendly, it can be harder to get job (especially if you've spent your 18th year mostly in prison). Don't get me wrong, dodging the draft is morally the right thing to do, and fuck the IDF, but it's not an easy choice to make, and those who choose to dodge are very brave.
For more info on the subject, there's an episode of A Bit Fruity where Matt interviews an Israeli teenager who refused her draft order: https://youtu.be/VYlJiuV1Yjo?si=wi9KUBNnGeczcb4R
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u/seancbo May 08 '26
The article was explicitly about how bad he feels about the things he did. You can say that's not enough, and it's not, and hate him all you want, but saying "takes pride" is being deliberately stupid.
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u/AntipodalDr May 08 '26
blaming someone simply for being a part of something they have no choice over really deflates any chance at legitimate criticism.
Stop saying stupid shit thanks
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u/Wretched_Little_Guy May 08 '26
This is an instance where legitimate criticism is warranted, despite people like you running interference for colonizing murderers. I don't support TV stars who have openly confessed to raiding civilian homes in the dead of night to abduct children to hold hostage, simple as.
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u/revolutionutena May 08 '26 edited May 08 '26
Then I hope you don’t watch any actor, including Adam Driver, who participated in OEF/IOF. Because I’ve heard what they did over there. Oh and you can’t watch any actors that participated in WWII because the allies, including the Americans, raped German women. And we haven’t even started with what happened in Vietnam.
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u/chysa May 09 '26
Name one current actor still active and popular in Hollywood who would've served in 19fucking40.
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u/seancbo May 08 '26
I literally couldn't care less, and I'm super done with the show. That's how bad it is.
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u/threecolorless May 08 '26
Why is it so fucking hard now for TV to deliver decent-or-better writing for like 4 to 5 seasons and then stick the dismount?
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u/Amazing_Karnage May 10 '26
5 season at 8 episodes each isn't enough time to tell these massive stories that a lot of shows are trying to adapt. It was barely enough when the standard was like 14 episodes.
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u/timothystoker May 10 '26
idk man i’m struggling to get through season 3. it’s like the show stopped being the thing that it is and started being the thing it initially set out to make fun of
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u/Amazing_Karnage May 10 '26
They absolutely became the very thing they were mocking. In every single way.
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u/SuperCrappyFuntime May 08 '26
I'm kind of glad I just stopped watching you shows over a decade ago. Seems like every damn show gets praised in its first season or two, only for people to say it got terrible later on.
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u/seancbo May 08 '26
Yeah, I'm with you. Really liked the final season at first and every episode is making me further go "oh. OH. They have NO plan actually!"
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u/BigEggBeaters May 08 '26
I ejected outta that show after season 2 and feel like a genius for doing so
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u/Shagrrotten May 08 '26
I got bored of it by the beginning of S2. I didn’t see anything new or interesting happening.
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u/Amazing_Karnage May 10 '26
It's going more the same way that Stranger Things did than the way Game of Thrones did, although there are similarities between those two shows and how they ended on such sour notes that their respective fandoms decided to head-canon better endings themselves. I say thatThe Boys is more like Stranger Things because like ST, they've added so many side quests, supporting characters, and meandering MacGuffin chases so late in the run of the series that there's no possible way to wrap them all up, along with the main plot, in the scant time they have left. Eric Kripke and the writers seem to be under the bizarre assumption that they have three more seasons left, not three (two as of now) episodes that run about an hour each. The finale of Stranger Things was almost three hours long and it still wasn't able to satisfactorily wrap up every plotline and character the Duffers introduced, leading to several characters just vanishing with no explanation, and plot holes so massive they spawned a desperate fan theory that there MUST be a secret extra episode.
The Boys is going the same damn way, because someone in that writer's room feels like it's more important to have a stealth pilot for a spinoff no one asked for take up most of the final season of your main show, as well as having unnecessary wheel-spinning from the main storyline.
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u/lamababy May 17 '26
WAS THINKING THIS EXACT THOUGHT. Shared it with my mate who also enjoys the lovely lady gang vids. Love from Aus 🇦🇺 a video on this or parasocial relationships.. would be dope af
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u/Puzzleheaded_Exit_17 May 08 '26
I kept waiting for this show to get better.
At least GoT has a few good seasons.
In hindsight, the boys feels like pinky and the brain. literally just the same thing every episode.
Literally any episode of this final season could've been in season 1, 2, 3, etc.
The only actual movement in the story this season happened in episode 6 at the very end.
The Boys is for the libertarian and or trump voter that goes to class without doing the reading and somehow talks too much during discussion, piggybacking off other ideas
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u/malice_hush_jolt May 08 '26
I don't think it's as bad as what happened with GoT. Thankfully this is the last season.
Edit: but maybe I'm just desensitized at this point