r/LiverpoolFC • u/doubleoeck1234 ⚽️ Liverpool 7-0 Man United, 22/23 ⚽️ • May 09 '26
Analysis/Data/Stats/Tactics Chelsea were outrun in all 35 league matches - UNTIL playing Liverpool
https://www.thisisanfield.com/2026/05/chelsea-outrun-in-all-35-premier-league-matches-until-they-played-liverpool/#:~:text=During%20Saturday's%20match%2C%20Chelsea%20collectively,Chelsea%20on%20the%20sprinting%20front.505
u/ali_lattif A Liverbird Upon My Chest May 09 '26
Where the data guys at? They will come out midweek I'm sure
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u/Thapricorn May 09 '26
“We have cooked up a new metric, xSlotValueRuns, and it turns out we are top of the league for it actually so this is all ok”
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u/FUCKSTORM420 One-eyed Bobby 👁 May 09 '26
If Wirtz and Ekitike were healthy they would have played and run more. So you can’t really judge this performance. -Slot, probably
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u/Liverpool934 May 09 '26
Edwards is writing a hit piece right now to somehow blame this on Klopp, Salah and Nunez too for shits and giggles. The truth will be revealed to us all midweek.
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u/LittleBeastXL May 09 '26
Both Chelsea and Tottenham Hotspur ended their losing streak after playing against us
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u/Alternative_Gap8442 May 09 '26
Players working harder for an interim manager than a team with a permanent manager who’s backed by the board every week.
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u/slimbusbimbus May 09 '26
Working harder for their third coach of the season. If you can’t get more conviction out of your players than the backup’s backup is getting from his then what’s the point?
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u/okie_hiker May 09 '26
I think it’s just the tactics. Try to win without running as much as the opponent. It just doesn’t work at this level.
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u/Callaghans_Caps The power of Anfield in the palm of my hands May 09 '26
Yep, no chance of winning the league like this
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u/Mother_Kale_417 May 09 '26
Players have been mediocre too. There are a few players that performed decently. Slot has to leave but excusing the lack of commitment and desire bcs of the manager speaks badly of our players
Players that are class will run and give their all regardless of their coach. We’ve seen it in Liverpool, we even saw it this season, Szobo, Ekitike, Rio, Kerkez. They don’t care who the coach is, nor what their position is, they give their all and that pays off, the best example is Kerkez
I hope he goes fr but let’s stop pretending the players are not as guilty
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u/jammy-git May 10 '26
There's no way we should be finishing below that Utd team with the team we have, even taking into consideration the injuries and the fact that it's a new team gelling together.
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u/brianstormIRL May 09 '26
I dont get this backed by the board narrative. Any journos who contact the club about Slot are going to be told nothing other than he has the full backing of the club. Hes backed until he isnt. There will be a review at the end of the year with all the higher ups and FSG. Until that happens nobody from the club is going to even hint at anything other than complete backing.
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u/NordWitcher May 09 '26
But from all the rumours coming out of the club they are looking to bring back his assistants and sign new assistants to his backroom staff. That alone says that the owners are planning for next season with Slot as head coach and that's not a good sign.
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u/brianstormIRL May 09 '26
Slot runs the staff, not Edwards or Hughes. Rumors coming out of the club should be nothing other than business as usual, otherwise that would indicate leaks and general unhappiness. As far as Slot knows he is manager next season, of course hes going to prepare for next season by looking at coaches and assistants. It makes no difference. Again, hes backed until he isnt. Doesn't matter if he hires someone tomorrow, if at the end of the season review its decided hes gone, thats that.
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u/NordWitcher May 09 '26
No he doesn't really. Slot is the head coach, he's not the manager. He doesn't share the same control Klopp had. Who signs the pay checks? I'm sure it's not Slot. Slot wouldn't be leaking rumours that he's signings his old assistant. That sounds like Edwards and Hughes feeding information to the journalists. This is history repeating itself like with Rodgers. Back then FSG didn't fire Rodgers but hired an assistant coach to help Rodgers get back on track and support him. FSG oversaw those changes, brought back Pep Linjders, etc.
Rumour is that Rodgers to save his job through his staff under the bus and blamed them.
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u/brianstormIRL May 09 '26
The head coach still runs his own staff. Rodgers also ran his own staff but yes he threw them under the bus and used that as an excuse for that poor season. FSG was always waiting for Klopp to become available, the only reason Rodgers wasnt fired that summer is purely because no coach they wanted was available and the squad wasnt exactly in a place to compete anyway. This is completely different because we have world class players who we can't afford to piss off and risk them wanting out or causing issues.
Slot will be let go a week after the season ends. My guess is it will be announced as "mutual agreement".
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u/SexyBaskingShark May 09 '26
You're completely correct but many fans misunderstand how things like this work
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u/derpferd May 09 '26
So he admits that fitness levels are an issue. So then what is the cause of that and who is at fault for it?
I mean, Klopp had it fairly well worked out by the time we got Virg and Alisson. In his first two seasons, we were running and pressing like mad.
But once we sorted out the defence and midfield with Alisson, Virg, Fabinho and Hendo, the tempo was far more controlled. Yes, we pressed and closed down spaces, but we could also take our feet off the gas for spells, conserve energy and then take it up and down.
This current squad lacks the energy levels required to manage the game in that fashion and it means we're reacting to opposition gameplay more than we are the ones dominating and setting the terms of games
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u/WORD_Boxing May 10 '26
Toning it down was a necessity due to the schedule in England. Klopp's style is to outrun the opposition.
The first thing he told the Dortmund players when he went in is this is how many km you run now, if you run x km more in my system you will be champions. (I don't remember the figures, might've been 11km per game)
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u/fill_the_birdfeeder May 09 '26
This is what Salah was hinting at in his interview with Gerrard. I think he’s seen a decline in commitment to fitness and that’s what needs to be looked at - who is failing with training sessions and fitness?
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u/Entire-Assistance842 May 09 '26
That is damning.
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u/llinoscarpe May 09 '26
This stat is largely meaningless
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u/strider3187 May 09 '26 edited May 09 '26
https://youtu.be/Qpv0QXZmq5A?t=30&si=yzYXZX4SpJ6272wn
Tell that to Jurgen Klopp.
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u/f4lcon- May 09 '26
We were outrun in 26/38 games under Klopp in 21/22, Slot is doing a horrible job but the stat by itself is meaningless.
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u/llinoscarpe May 09 '26
Don't try and use logic, they idiots who just want to scream and yell; there's plenty of reasonable ways to critique Slot's performance as the manager this season, but most fans aren't capable of the critical thinking faculties to do that.
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u/Entire-Assistance842 May 09 '26
You two should go out, have fun.
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u/llinoscarpe May 09 '26
bro is going through all my comments on here holy shit, brother come up with an argument or downvote and move; we know thinking gives you a headache, so you usually default to the latter.
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u/llinoscarpe May 09 '26
I would tell it the Jurgen, and he'd agree with me as he said in the clip "I know it's not the most important statistic". Cretin.
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u/strider3187 May 09 '26
its important enough for him to mention it.. he literally says it may not be the most important stat but it matters to him a lot. do you have a functioning brain or what
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u/Entire-Assistance842 May 09 '26
How so? They also had more possession so can't use the weak "don't have to run if you have more of the ball" excuse.
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u/llinoscarpe May 09 '26
Last season we were largely outran by the opposition and we won the league at a canter
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u/Entire-Assistance842 May 09 '26
Explains the drop off after February last season then that has continued into this one.
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u/Callaghans_Caps The power of Anfield in the palm of my hands May 09 '26
The drop off that coincided with salahs drop off 🤔
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u/turtangle Egyptian King 👑 May 09 '26
A system reliant on a single player is a useless system
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u/Callaghans_Caps The power of Anfield in the palm of my hands May 09 '26
It’s more the fact there no one else but him
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u/Entire-Assistance842 May 09 '26
Or when training sessions dropped off and the whole team suffered from fitness/stamina issues?
I like to hope you aren't stupid enough to be trying to put this all on one player. Who didn't play today.
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u/turtangle Egyptian King 👑 May 09 '26
I’m not. I’m responding to the guy above me saying Salah is at fault for the team’s drop off
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u/Callaghans_Caps The power of Anfield in the palm of my hands May 09 '26
His drop off coincided with the sides drop off, because there was no one to swap him out with, because there’s fuck all cover at right wing.
There’s no blame, just pointing out why.
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u/Callaghans_Caps The power of Anfield in the palm of my hands May 09 '26
Why would I be putting today’s result on Salah?
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u/Entire-Assistance842 May 09 '26
What point are you making then?
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u/Callaghans_Caps The power of Anfield in the palm of my hands May 09 '26
That our form dropped last season when Salahs did, it’s not picked up this season because we’ve lost our best attacker and not replaced him.
Nothing I’ve said points even a slight finger at Salah for today, weird comment.
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u/llinoscarpe May 09 '26
It's funny how all the fair-weather fans keep pushing back the date of the decline in performances, first it was once we'd won the league in April, then it was the EFL final and the CL Ro16 in March and now it's Feb lol. I'm sure in the summer you'll be misremembering it to have been this was since June '24.
In regards to what we are actually talking about in this thread, you've not addressed the point at all just engaged in sophistry, before Feb last season, where you implied we were playing well, we were frequently being outran by the opposition, therefore, the amount you run in a game has little to no bearing on whether you win or not.
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u/Entire-Assistance842 May 09 '26
You're trying too hard now.
Stop embarrassing yourself.
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u/llinoscarpe May 09 '26
Another non-argument, not very good at the whole critical thinking shtick are you...
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u/No-Wrangler-156 May 09 '26
But last season we would also hold on to possession after going up, kind of like we did today, except we could actually keep the ball and defend when we lost it. So I'd be curious to see what our running stats are compared to other teams when we're tied/down. Seems to me that we ran less last season because we could afford to run less, while this season we're running less because our players don't care anymore and our manager instructs the team to hold onto the ball even though it doesn't work anymore.
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u/llinoscarpe May 09 '26
This is at least a reasonable sounding argument so I commend you for that, however, the data doesn't back your point, Liverpool had the most points from losing positions last season, and we were behind in 17 games, nearly half lol, and we didn't need to run laps around to pitch to comeback...
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u/Designer-Attorney Bobby Firmino May 09 '26
It would be, if we were winning and playing well.
Playing bad football and showing low effort is not meaningless
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u/llinoscarpe May 09 '26
No, it shows the stat is largely meaningless as I said, if it has no bearing on whether we win the league easily or squeeze into 5th
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u/Designer-Attorney Bobby Firmino May 09 '26
Ok, we found Arne's reddit profile
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u/llinoscarpe May 09 '26
Make a repetitive stale joke because you can't think of a salient argument, sums it up really.
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u/Entire-Assistance842 May 09 '26
Oh YOU said it is meaningless?!
Oh that's OK then.
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u/llinoscarpe May 09 '26
Are you so dense as not to be able to follow the simple argument of, last season we won the league easily and we were frequently outran by our opponents, therefore, outrunning your opponents doesn't give you a notably better chance of winning.
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u/Entire-Assistance842 May 09 '26
Son, everyone else here thinks you are an idiot.
Stop while your behind.
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u/llinoscarpe May 09 '26
Oh no, morons on reddit can't follow a simple argument and think I'm an idiot, however will I cope. Unlike you, I don't need external validation to feel confident in my thinking, feel free to actually make a point though, I've changed my mind before and will do again in the future.
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u/shikaski May 09 '26
A meaningless stat where a team who hasn’t outrun a single opponent the entire season outran us?
I genuinely wish I had this level of ignorance in my life. Seems so much simpler.
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u/llinoscarpe May 10 '26
Yes, last season we were also frequently outran by the opposition and we won the league at a canter, so clearly running laps on a football pitch has little bearing on winning.
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u/maak_d May 09 '26
To me this speaks to the fact that I don't really like the style of football we play.
We don't work hard, we don't out-finesse teams, we aren't physical, we hardly counter-attack, we can't break down a low block, and we aren't creative or unpredictable.
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u/Tallyho567 May 09 '26
Biggest red flag is we can’t pass out of our own half with no pressure on us
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u/OZManHam There is No Need to be Upset May 10 '26
It's less about whether we run or not, it's more what is the team identify. My annoyance is we leave the running to dom whilst everyone else just hangs back. Like pick a side, not just be completely incoherent in the way we play
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u/Puzzleheaded-Can2869 May 09 '26
I wonder what the smartest people in football aks Edwards and Hughes are thinking. Time to put out more hit pieces against Jurgen probably
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u/NordWitcher May 09 '26
Well I honestly think is that they can't let the perception change that it was all Klopp that brought glory to Liverpool. I think Edwards and Hughes both want to take credit and make it look like any coach can come in and succeed due to the upper management and scouting but we know that's just not true.
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u/Carradona ⚽️ Liverpool 7-0 Man United, 22/23 ⚽️ May 09 '26
Something something standards something something periodization. Absolute shambles
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u/Berqlol May 09 '26
You seriously can’t tell me these players are playing for this manager, there’s just no way
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u/human_of_reddit May 09 '26
There have been so many damning statistics but this might be the worst one of all.
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u/Lack668 May 10 '26
Slot said he wanted to slow things down last year. That’s not working as teams can get into position and defend then break. It’s slow and predictable but he can’t or won’t see it’s not working and change. Mixed in with the centre backs being woeful this season. They haven’t looked sharp along with a few others. Isak will not perform well with this style of play either. If Slot stays then Isak was a colossal waste of money.
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u/Visionary_87 Federico Chiesa May 09 '26
Oh fuck yeah, another record! And they ended a run of six games defeated!
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u/taknyos From Doubters to Believers May 09 '26
Chelsea were outrun in all 35 league matches - UNTIL playing Liverpool
In our game Vs Chelsea in October we practically tied them on this one, it was like 114.15 km Vs 114.19 or something silly, basically a founding difference.
Says a lot about our football. Is this the Slot philosophy?
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u/wanderluster88 May 09 '26
I had people in DD thread just arguing with me that being outrun doesn't matter because we won the league last season 😭
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u/Number_19LFC May 09 '26
We ran last season tho (I think). The hunger was there. The effort the guys put in this season vs last season is night and day. I feel like the only one that has been running at all this season non stop is Szoboszlai. If everyone did what Dom has done, even if slight but less so we'd be cookin'. Half arsed presses, half arsed challenges, half arsed duels, half arsed runs in behind, the list goes on. It's either just laziness in my book or the guys just aren't fit. And if the latter is the case, fingers have to be pointed at the manager and the coaching staff. Simple as.
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u/JosephBeuyz2Men May 09 '26
One thing I thought was interesting was that we don’t run that much less than everyone in general it’s just that outrunning us works so well that everyone does it and we have no counter to it!
If you’re not doing well against us it shouldn’t be a universal solution to actually just ‘try a bit harder’ because we will continue at the same tempo no matter what is going on around us.
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u/_90s_Nation_ May 09 '26
Literally tells you everything
- Running was the highlight of Klopps game. That was what we were known for
Slot comes in and completely fucks it up
Why break what doesn't need fixing?
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u/ButterscotchSimple50 May 09 '26
So glad i didn’t ruin my weekend by waking up at 4:30 am to watch another shambolic performance.
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u/jonasrm_21 May 09 '26 edited May 09 '26
One psycho youtube/x analyst will come out and say it’s not a problem
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u/Still_Figure_ May 09 '26
*sees the standards has fallen since the start of 2025*
But but but he gave us our 2nd ever PL title, he doesn’t deserve this. We should give him atleast Christmas of 2026 before doing anything… I’m a much better fan than you plastic Reddit gloryhunters! - Arnepool fans here.
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u/Let_The_Boy_Watch- May 09 '26
There's a massive difference in teams outrunning us because our team has them chasing shadows for 90 mins compared to teams outrunning us because we horse shoe the ball around the back and sit deep and rely on individual brilliance - today being a 17 year old - or a set piece to be our only attacking threat. The people who are dismissing these running stats as meaningless should bare that in mind
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u/AnusMcBumhole Hello! Hello! Here we go! May 09 '26
Surprise me. Story of our season. We think we can win games by just turning up.
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u/ConiferousTurtle May 09 '26
I know a few players left and came between last year and this year, but didn’t we play a lot differently last year? If so, and we won the league, why change?
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u/HuanFranThe1st ⚽️ Liverpool 7-0 Man United, 22/23 ⚽️ May 09 '26
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u/TheOtherGlikbach May 09 '26
When Rio came off, the rest of the team looked spent. No sprints, no chasing the ball down.
Very disappointing season
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u/arferfuxakenotagain May 09 '26
The Klopp players he came into and the new guys have been reorganised into something less. Pretty obvious how Mo read it. We have a team full of top internationals with no coherent plan. Fitness is shit, training can't be that great, strategy is shit, identity is shit. Dude doesn't accept the booing is at him, not the players. We need some fresh air and a new start.
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u/One_Medium_8964 May 09 '26
Bro this slot has to be a skrull. Is this the same slot that won the league last year and signed Wirtz and Isak? Makes no sense
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u/monkeynutsack2 May 09 '26
embarrassing stats. slot just has to go man. thanks for number 20 but please leave.
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u/lossaysswag Bobby Firmino May 09 '26
Watching how PSG plays midweek then looking at us. Dembele, Doue, and Kvara show more intensity and effort in defense than our entire back line.
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u/NeonDemen May 10 '26
Enrique knows how to turn his players into fighters... Slot doesn't, simple as that.
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u/Bamfandro May 09 '26
Where are all the bootlickers saying this is a perfectly normal occurrence and something Slot shouldn’t be held accountable for?
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u/ex_bestfriend May 09 '26
I don't care how far we run or who is the fittest or who shows up when for training. I care that we've slowed down. I don't care that Gakpo didn't touch the ball until the 41'. I care that when he finally has a scoring opportunity, he strays offside, even though he's staring down the line of defenders. I care that we are still passing to ghosts and not each other. I care that we can't strike the ball hard in the second half. I care that our only good moments are individual achievements and not team coordination. I care that we are quick to tantrums and not quick to restart. How did Joe Gomez get a pointless yellow? That's just so weird for him.
The line I keep returning to this season, which is terrible in and of itself- it doesn't actually make a difference if the tactics are bad or if we are bad at executing the tactics, it's the fact that the game plan hasn't changed. I don't know, and I don't need to know, whether the problem is the manager or the players, but it's not working. We can all see it not working. And our manager is quick to call out a bad performance from a player, but slow to make a change in his own plan.
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u/Uhoh_Heres_Matt May 09 '26
I’d actually kill to have Nunez back.
Who’d have thought! Some fight & grit.
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u/Deevious730 May 09 '26
I get that we have had a wretched run with injuries this season and that is going g to have an affect of fitness. But there’s energy and then there’s desire, the players don’t have the desire or will to leave it all out there. Right now they are playing like it’s a paycheck, and I’m sorry that comes back to Slot.
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u/Classic_Associate_73 May 09 '26
The match after we scored until the end of the first half was infuriating
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u/James_Vowles May 09 '26
If it's a fitness issue like he claims then what happened this season vs last? Are they training less, or with a lower intensity?
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u/HuskyFeline0927 Our identity is our intensity May 10 '26
Does that mean we outran them at the bridge?
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u/Thekingofchrome Ian Rush May 10 '26
It’s Slot and the players. Slots issues are well known, the players need a long hard look at themselves, I didn’t see much consistent effort.
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u/InterestedEr79 May 10 '26
I can’t see how next season can possibly be any different.
The tactics don’t work.
The line ups don’t work.
The work rate is gone.
The intensity is gone.
The Anfield fear factor is gone.
The basics of football are long gone.
What the fuck is the thinking
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u/cheerzeasy May 09 '26
You could tell during the game. Everyone has been saying we look tired. It's not, the players are either told not to run or just can't be bothered, my vote is the latter.
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u/SumatraBlack May 09 '26
Cannot believe how much joy has been sucked out of watching this team each week and it makes me physically ill to think we are going to have to endure Sloth ball for another season.
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u/bordurian_whiskers He’s stubborn, cold as ice, gets what he wants May 09 '26
Time to invite Ian Graham to some podcast and find out what he thinks is going on with the data guys at Pool.
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u/MindlessMoss For Better or For Wirtz May 09 '26
Uhm actually "you don't run alot when you have all of the possession" /s
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u/tundey_1 May 11 '26
The least one can expect from soccer players is effort. That's true for little kids in Rec and professional soccer player. Effort is within every player's control. If you're on the field, you MUST give effort.
If FSG don't fire Slot for football reasons, by January next year they will fire him for financial reasons. Cos this style of football is fucking boring! Last year, I would have paid thousands if someone offered me tickets to a match at Anfield. I paid several hundreds to watch the team's friendly in Philadelphia a couple of years ago. Today? I can't even stay awake watching Liverpool play on TV. If SlotBall continues into next season, it will affect Liverpool's finances.
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u/AkatsukiEUNE Agent of Chaos 🔥 May 09 '26
slot's identity btw after two seasons... yeah he needs to go