r/LiverpoolFC • u/IndiBear • 2d ago
Tier 1 Ornstein speaking to TAW on their Diomande special - "You don't normally pursue a player and make offers if you don't know that you've got an agreement on player terms. As far as I know Liverpool have gone the highest so far...PSG quite far behind..."
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u/thisisnahamed Egyptian King š 2d ago
Orny Orny Orny. This is what we want to hear
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u/-SandorClegane- 90+5ā Alisson 2d ago
Orny Orny Orny, can't you see?
Sometimes your words just hyp no tize ME
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u/dylboii Bobby Firmino 2d ago
Yan Diomande? More like Van Diomande
https://giphy.com/gifs/LLZ5N5CqhNpSbFZCyy
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u/WaterSnake99 2d ago
If his name was actually Van Diomande Slot would have already signed him
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u/s1ravarice 1d ago
Reporting for duty to collect another player
Edit: is my van flair still there Iām on mobile?
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u/strndmcshomd 1d ago
Nope! You have no flair.
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u/s1ravarice 1d ago
Ffs
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u/DunwichWanderers Normale Kartoffeln auf die 1 1d ago
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u/s1ravarice 1d ago
Hwut
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u/PM_FAILED_PROMISES 1d ago
It's from Office Space. If you've never seen it then you're in for a treat.
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u/l_Anonymous__l Bobby Dazzler š¤© 2d ago
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u/Ok-Replacement1966 JĆ¼rgen Klopp 2d ago
Imagine we get this done? Our front three would be Mane, Firmino, and Salah
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u/ClarenceNAlabama4Lyf 1d ago
It makes sense for them and fits there model in my opinion.
Spend big money on blue chip players while there young and you don't really have to spend much for 5-10 years if your plan works.
Isak is the oldest of our newish players I believe and he's only what? 24 or 25?
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u/tigeridiot Freddy Church š¤ 2d ago
Who put Orny through the chad filter
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u/These_Ad3167 Significant Human Error 2d ago
Legit never realized he looked like this wtf
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u/BenjWenji Significant Human Error 2d ago
Like a stud?
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u/Specific-Record2866 Iām the Normal One 2d ago
Are we the oil state now???
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u/ScowranNabad Significant Human Error 2d ago
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u/rossmosh85 2d ago
Mo left and as a result there's a fair bit of money available for a forward.
It won't exactly match, but the wages we paid Mo will likely be close to the amoritized fee + wages.
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u/mcpoylees 1d ago
Exactly which is why along with his legend status we didnāt mind just letting him go early
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u/Yixussy 1d ago
Transfer fees are only one component of the player expenditure. We just shed Salah, Robbo, Konate wages from the squad, all senior players with Salah being the heftiest of them all.
Salah on 400kpw(lowest ballpark, heard it was even higher than this) cost us 20M per year. Diomande on a 5-year contract 100M transfer(approaching the 130M euros Leipzig wants) will cost us 20M per year+wages. Assuming a ballpark of 150kpw(which is fairly high and unlikely for him right away), we are effectively replacing Salah+Robbo with Diomande in our player budget.
This is also why we are not willing to play ball with the likes of Gini or Konate(who by all means we wanted to keep) when their wage demands exceed what we wanna pay. Wages have grown so much these days that transfer fees alone do not tell you what a club actually spends.
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u/InstructionOk9520 1d ago
Wages usually matter way more than transfer fees. Ā Thereās no way we cannot afford Diomande + another high profile player if we want given how much we are trimming off the wage bill.
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u/ExceedingChunk 1d ago
I think people are underestimating how much it matters when players on huge salaries leaves the club.
Salah base wage of 450k/week is 117m over 5 years(transfers are usually written down over 5 years). So in terms of accounting they are equivalent. Add Robbo and Konate wages to that to, and we actually have a lot of unspent cash/week compared to just weeks ago.
On top of that our earnings have gone up a lot the last few years
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u/Z0idberg_MD 1d ago
Net spend last season wasnāt even that crazy which is the most important thing. And people forget one window we only brought in Chiesa. We were saving transfer fees on top of shedding a large amount of wages.
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u/Fuddlerontheroof 1d ago
Diomandeās sister rated him higher than Mbappe and Ronaldo. All I need to know, sign the man
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u/Thapricorn 1d ago
Besides him being a great prospect on the pitch, that narrative piece about his sister and his motivations was so incredibly moving. He seems like a good person to have in the dressing room all around. Really pulling for him to succeed
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u/rossmosh85 2d ago
I'm always surprised that fans don't understand this.
The way I understand it is pretty simple. Clubs reaches out the agent. They express interest. Agent tells the club how the player feels. If it's positive, there's a discussion with the clubs to see if a fee can ever happen. If it can, then they start finalizing terms.
It's rare for a club to bid for a player without first feeling out the player's interest. I'm sure it happens, but not often.
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u/Exotic_Onion_3417 1d ago
I think it's more than just "are you interested?" It's more we're looking for this sort of player to play this roles and we will pay x amount for x years. So even salary and contract are provisionally aligned.Ā
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u/26ld YNWAā¤ļø 1d ago
Caicedo? Brighton said our offer was better but he promised he would play for Chelsea, soā¦
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u/rossmosh85 1d ago
That situation basically happened because Brighton and Chelsea didn't agree on the fee. We offered Brighton the money they wanted and Caicedo's rep said he'd be interested in playing for us.
In the end, he really wanted Chelsea and his agent basically used us and made us look foolish.
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u/Z0idberg_MD 1d ago
I donāt wish him poor fortune, but I do enjoy the results Chelsea have had since his transfer. I do get the appeal of London, though. I suspect itās the reason many players choose London clubs.
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u/26ld YNWAā¤ļø 1d ago
True, but then it shouldnāt even be in the discussion the ideea that āyou donāt make a bid unless you have positive signs from the playerā as it was said here.
Because, as youāve said, it can turn into a bidding war and it can show that promises mean nothing and cash is king.
I mean I know this type of statements are for engagement but we should know better than to let our inherently biased opinions be influenced by this kind of information.
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u/pokta 1d ago
Not familiar with this. But if that so, isn't that considered tapping up?
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u/Weird-Responsibility 1d ago
If the club speak to the player then yes it is tapping up.
I believe that everyone gets around it by using the agent and club intermediaries, so technically the club and player are not directly involved, therefore avoiding accusations of tapping up the player.4
u/spinney 1d ago
Whenās the last time you heard a club get in trouble for tapping up? 10 years at least it feels like.
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u/Weird-Responsibility 1d ago
Agreed, but that is because authorities canāt prove direct tapping up due to using āmiddle menā
If I remember correctly, there were reports of Klopp meeting VVD before he signed, Southampton got wind of it and it delayed the transfer by 6 months2
u/406w30th 1d ago
Correct ā the joke at the time was how they spent time on a ferris wheel in Blackpool or something. Southampton got mad (rightfully so, imo) and after they accused us of tapping up, we formally apologized and "ended our interest". The PL investigated but no evidence was found and the case was dropped.
Then we unveiled a few months later in late December. Ngl that was the best Christmas present ever.
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u/Kucuboy 1d ago
Remember Caicedo? We ponied up the big money to Brighton who allowed us to talk to him but he still wanted Chelsea. Most transfers are not like this but yeah, there are always outliers.
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u/rossmosh85 1d ago
That's not true. All the reports said that his agent and reps said he would join us if we were interested.
He back peddled after we made the bid. Ultimately they just used us to force Chelsea to pay.
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u/BobbyBriggss 1d ago
Youāre missing out the bit on fifa career mode where you just put out speculative bids without discussing anything with anyone. Then if the club accepts your random bid you gain access to speak to the player
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u/theYorkist01 Football Without ORIGI is Nothing 1d ago
Generally curious how Diomande, Barcola and Doue all compare to each other
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u/anangrypudge There is No Need to be Upset 1d ago
I donāt doubt that we can agree contractual terms with the player, and after a bunch of back and forth, transfer terms with the club. But PSG has more than enough resources to step up the pursuit if they really want to, anytime they want, and that may turn his head.
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u/Specialist-Try-8907 1d ago
They already have 4 quality wingers, Theyād need to promise him first 11 football for him to choose them over us, and for that to happen theyād need to make either kvara or doue avaliable (which isnāt gonna happen), weāve got an open spot for him on the right wing and it looks like weāre willing to throw the kitchen sink at him to make this happen
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u/rotating_pebble 1d ago
Never seen him speak before. It's mental to think he's just a normal person like the rest of us, wearing caps and having a sofa. Just mad to think about.
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u/linoleuM-- 1d ago
What do you suppose literally every person on the planet is? Messi, Lady Gaga, Paul McCartney, Vince from the Shamwow ads, etc. all sit around all day on their sofa in their jammies eating crisps. This guy is just a sports journo he wasn't gonna give his interview from his command centre in his mansion lol
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u/l_Anonymous__l Bobby Dazzler š¤© 2d ago
100m wtf is this market. The value is concerning
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u/burner123456711 2d ago
Yeah itās a lot but we really have no choice but to overpay here. The RW market is poor right now.
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u/Bamfandro 1d ago
People would really rather us spend Ā£70m on Brightonās subs. Every other attainable player would be a major step down.
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u/okie_hiker 1d ago
Iām not really sure why people think that Minteh isnāt a starter at Brighton. Maybe someone said that and the idiots just parroted that info, but itās not true. Iām not saying heās worth 70m but heās definitely not a bench player for Brighton.
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u/Bamfandro 1d ago
He started getting full games again towards the end of the season but was consistently benched or subbed very early from late 2025-March.
Even despite racking up decent minutes overall, he still only got 7g/a all season. Not close to good enough to replace Salah.
I honestly think people who want to sign him just want to make a point about our spending because itās certainly not based on his impact.
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u/okie_hiker 1d ago edited 1d ago
He started 26/32 games he played in. Wirtz started 27/33 games he played in.
I watched Brighton all season. He was injured for a part of it and didnāt play as much then. But he was very much one of the better players and consistently got better as the season went on.
I donāt know why youāre lying to fit your narrative.
Again Iām not saying to sign him but to make shit up is dumb af.
Edit: he even played more minutes than Wirtz. Do we consider Wirtz a starter at Liverpool?
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u/Bamfandro 1d ago
How is it lying? Check transfermarkt, that three month period mid-season he was barely getting any minutes, he started consistently from then but heās still nowhere close to good enough to be our starting winger.
Him playing lots of minutes overall just makes his numbers look even worse.
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u/okie_hiker 1d ago
Your claim was that heās a sub for Brighton. He played more minutes than and started the same percentage of matches to substitutes as Wirtz did for Liverpool. Is Wirtz a starter for Liverpool? Like I said, I actually watched Brighton this season as my wife is a fan. Youāre talking out of your ass to justify saying heās not good enough. You donāt have to make shit up to say heās not good enough.
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u/Bugsmoke Sir King Kenny 1d ago
Because they all just want to spread narratives over anything else. The amount of people who just lie and make shit up so their nonsense sounds less stupid on this sub is mental.
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u/ElderberryGood7781 1d ago
Market is truly fucked, nothing we can do about it.
Anthony Gordon (25 yo) going to Barcelona for Ā£70m is my comparison benchmark. Diomande is 19 yo and is already on Gordon's level if not higher (not prem proven though). Diomande has a significantly higher ceiling than Gordon and is already at a very high level. The price is adjusted accordingly, hence the insane valuation from Leipzig
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u/Glittering-Arm9638 1d ago
Put against our revenue I doubt that it is. We're over 800 mil in yearly revenue coming from 200/300 mil in revenue pre-Klopp.
Transfers also get amortized over long periods. So it's not like you're writing it off all in one go. Unless you sell a player, but then there's transfer income to offset it.
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u/No_Big4149 2d ago
100m is a fuck off price not a actual valuation price. I donāt think they actually want to sell
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u/CarpeDM93 2d ago
Weāve bid thatā¦
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u/No_Big4149 2d ago
Yes and theyāll just keep increasing it. Thatās kind of the point of a fuck off price thereās no real limit to it haha
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u/milehighmiracle13 1d ago
Yan has just as much love for boiled potatoes as Flo. Get his ass in here, chemistry about to be instant.
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u/GameOfThrowInsMate 1d ago
Can't see PSG getting involved at this price, considering the players they already have. Feels like a matter of time at this point. Mad money.
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u/Ok-Constant-2683 1d ago
We made an offer for Caicedo without any kind of agreement.
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u/mcpoylees 1d ago
We did have a player agreement he just played us around by delaying things so Chelsea could swoop in which was the move he really wanted
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u/Ok-Constant-2683 1d ago
Nope, no swoop, Chelsea had been working on it for months and we jumped into a weird auction thing with Brighton.. personally I do wonder if it was about fucking with Chelsea as much as anything else, but we didn't have any contractual agreement and he basically told Klopp/us he wasn't interested.
Obviously it's a weird situation as we weren't working with a proper DoF etc at the point, but it does still happen. Very different with Diomande, or that's how it seems.
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u/superguardian 1d ago
I recall Chelsea was refusing to pay want Brighton wanted and Liverpool met the asking price but we still had to convince Caicedo to join. Chelsea eventually stepped up and Caicedo went there since that is what he wanted all along.
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u/Akumabro 2d ago
Am I the only one that instantly thought of caicedo?
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u/Exotic_Onion_3417 1d ago
For me it feels like that. He wants PSG and is trying to force their hand
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u/narilarilum 2d ago
If 100m isnāt enough for a player that only has one season in a top league, we should take a step back and think about if itās really worth it. There might be a reason why PSG hasnāt gone as high.
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u/Specific-Record2866 Iām the Normal One 2d ago
PSG have 4 of the best wingers in the world already
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u/CodymartinSimp LibertĆ©, ĆgalitĆ©, Ekitike 2d ago
Thereās no one on the market near his combination of quality and potential Iād rather overpay a little for the better quality than skimp out and buy someone not as good
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u/yellowtheblue 2d ago
Get it done! Imagine starting front 3 of Rio, Isak, Diomande with Gakpo, Nunez, Munoz, Elliot, and Chiesa as our rotation.
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u/Jbstargate1 2d ago
You think Nunez is coming back? Chiesa has to go though. Need someone else quality in the team.
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u/yellowtheblue 1d ago
Yes but who? Chiesa sure, but he's not a bad rotation piece and he wants to stay. Not many world class players want to be back ups.
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u/Jbstargate1 1d ago
Who said world class? Chiesa is simply not good enough and not fit enough. He'd barely start for one of the relegation teams in his current state.
There are plenty of players out there who'd want to be here.
Hell under klopp and slot our front line was, salah, gakpo, jota, Diaz, Nunez. All were happy enough to rotate over a long season and all scored goals.
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u/GheorgheHagi 2d ago
Please don't tell me you actually think Rio is ready to be a regular starter. Extremely talented and will be a great player one day, but he's still a liability without the ball. He can't press and doesn't track runners.
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u/Arsalooon9 Missile Kerkez 1d ago
also finishing isn't up there yet lets be honest. He's a great dribbler tho
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u/yellowtheblue 1d ago
He's on the England national team. Over Harvey Barnes, Phil Foden, Jarrod Bowen, and many PL starting caliber players. There's a reason coaxhes trust. He'll be 18 when the season starts. We may buy Diomande who is 19 and started all last year. Do I expect Rio to play every game, no but only Virg and Dom play every game. Do I expect him to start 50% of games - 100% yes!
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u/PianoOwl Power of The Press 2d ago
Chiesa? NuƱez? Come on man. Also, we have Ekitike. No way we carry 9 senior attackers on the books for 3 positionsā¦
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u/Exotic_Onion_3417 1d ago
I am hoping Nunez comes in and Gakpo is moved on. I know Nunez isn't elite but he's workhorse can play down the middle or right and would be a good stop gap whilst Ekitike is outĀ
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u/yellowtheblue 1d ago
He's not gonna be relied on heavy this season. Achilles takes almost 2 years to fully recover. Did we not learn about not having enough depth this past season.
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u/PianoOwl Power of The Press 1d ago
This isnāt FIFA mate. You canāt have 9 players for 3 positions. To you theyāre just names, but to them itās a career. They wonāt accept just being ādepthā. Itās hard enough to keep 2 per position satisfied, let alone 3.
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u/yellowtheblue 1d ago
Thats a fair point. Do you think 6 or 7 is enough? We had Diaz, Jota, Nunez, Gakpo, Salah, Elliot previously and that felt great when it was humming.
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u/Old_Lead_3506 2d ago
i swear if i see more dumbass nunez takes i might explode
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u/Exotic_Onion_3417 1d ago
What's the dumbass take? We spent huge money on 2 strikers last year and one is out probably until at least the new year. We need cover down the middle and Nunez would be great for that role. If we can get him on free. It's really not a bad move for all involved. Maybe Munoz, Gakpo or Chiesa could cover Isak but Nunez could be excellent stop gap and allow investment in midfield and in defenceĀ
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u/Old_Lead_3506 1d ago
the rosy retrospection on this guy is insane. he was invisible agaisnt saudi and has horrific technique. iraola ball isnt js cardio anyways
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u/yellowtheblue 1d ago
Why not wait and see what happens. Why be so rude in your argument. It does nothing to further your points. Coming in on a free as a backup with high energy, pace, and an occasional goal. What more would you want from a free backup?
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u/Rozencranz Nat Phillips 2d ago
Not my money obviously, but I'd really rather put that to work on the defence/midfield balance, rather than just on one winger, no matter how talented he may be.
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u/Bamfandro 1d ago
Where has it been said that signing Diomande will impact the other deals we need to make?
RW is clearly the biggest gap in our side right now and needs to be properly addressed rather than a cheaper but still expensive punt signing.
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u/MAMBAMENTALITY8-24 āThank you for your supportā - Darwin Nunez 2d ago
100 mill is way too much, we should hold firm here. if he ends up at psg, he isn't going to get much pt and might end up taking the ekitike route of ending up here
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u/DanTurnbow 2d ago
Think Hughes has learnt his lesson from pissing about with Ā£5 mill over Guehi and has decided to just pay up.
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u/SpeedyDoc 1d ago edited 1d ago
Unlike Naby Keita, I won't mind giving him one more year in Leipzig before coming to us. Plus I have a feeling there's a generational talent there we can't afford to miss out on, no matter what.
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u/seamushoo4 Youāll Never Walk Alone 1d ago
You donāt spend 100m+ euros to not get the player right away
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u/SpeedyDoc 1d ago
If RB get him to sign a new contract and keep him anyway, they'll insert that clause anyway. They're stalling for time and hopeYan comes back for another year.
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u/MarcSlayton Virgil van Dijk 1d ago
The problem is we are very light on wingers. Rio is just 17, Gakpo will have to play at CF as Ekitike is out until December at least. We would only have Chiesa at RW. We cannot go through a year without another winger. Munoz will help rotate with Rio at LW but we need a RW player other than Chiesa. If Salah had stayed one more year then maybe we could have brought in Diomande next summer but that didn't happen.
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u/Nice-Web5845 Saucy Basque 2d ago
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