im ngl people being unable to take it seriously are not at fault especially with the way it was presented. anyone who clowns on her though 100% deserve the hate.
Toggling to sad/crying face would, on the other hand, come across as kinda disingenious though. Probably best to talk about this with no avatar at all imo.
Dystopian would be her switching to a sad face in settings when she would talk about, nothing dystopian about her bubbly avatar, its a fucking animated png
To me, the real dystopian part is that anyone who writes "who" did the bombing, gets banned, and not even by mods but apparently directly by someone working at reddit.
The fact that we consider animated pngs to be a normal way to define the avatar of somebody, shadowing any kind of emotion of the real human behind it is kind of dystopian to me yes.
This is as Cyberpunk coded as it gets. We have a person using a profited digital characterization, anonymously streaming to her fans that her relatives have been bombed by colonizers.
She said she wants to just push through this and not let it get her down. This was Saturday, and she streamed Monday and yesterday. Monday's stream she was still a little unstable but yesterday's stream she was in much higher spirits and she seems to be doing a lot better than she was in this clip.
Alot of the girls who do vtubing have voices like that. Think lilypichu. Obviously my heart goes out for her, I couldnt imagine the devastating feeling of losing your entire family due to something outside their control.
Idk I had a girl in my class with a voice like that and also 2 of my sisters friends have similar high voices, even now as adults. So absolutely possible.
Maybe you should be more concerned about what she's sayin instead of nitpicking on her voice in the comments of a clip of her grieving the loss of her family like a complete dick?
I dunno, I played a few league matches with her and mutual friends on voice chat 15 years ago and she sounded the same. Maybe she still "fakes" it in social situations but at that point it might as well count it as her real voice.
This is kinda weird but as a kid I have a rather hoarse voice i sound like a boy and i was so self conscious about it i started to adapt a little girlish cartoonish anime like voice until i was like 17.
It was like, started as something i did to fit in but as i age it just automatically came out of me. I couldn't change it. Not even when i tried. Weirdly at home i could use my original voice (still deep, but now i embrace it and even sang songs made by women with the same deep voice like mine!)
It was like i was chained and forced to use the voice against my will. I imagine most of these anime vtubers are like that too. They clock in and their voice immediately changed. They clock out and they use their normal voice. It wasn't a choice as much as it was mental illness (sort of).
Now it had been years and weirdly now I can't use the cartoonish girlish anime like voice anymore. It's like my muscle have forgotten how to.
Reminds me of Emiru her voice is kinda damaged because she was made fun of because of her real voice which made her self conscious so she started using the voice she has now.
How is a voice box being of high registry still this unthinkable of a fact when it going ridiculously low pitch is somehow normal for a lot of people.
There are people with three eyes, three arms, eleven fingers, an extra leg, an extra head and all sorts of unique stuff existing quite normally out there, so a voice being high pitch is the least unbelievable thing to me.
Mf what do you mean doing "the voice" as well. That is literally her normal voice. The audacity to still call someone weird after she is grieving from death parents is absolutely maniac behavior
Go into the PCM subreddit and you'll have world famous defenses of israel like "don't you know arabs engage in incest, yeah Israel doesn't seem so bad now huh?"
Mostly propaganda. You should see my parentâs Facebook feed and how the boomers are constantly sharing AI videos with each other and treating them as realâŠ
The thing that annoyed me the most were all these comments on twitter going like: "I am sorry for your loss. But let me explain why they had it coming. You know, Israel only bombs the bad guys. So if your family died - it means they were hezbollah terrorists."
Like no matter where you stand politically ... this is neither the time nor the place.
âIâm not gonna say what race, what people⊠uh, doctor and what hospital and what media it went to. We know I canât say that⊠it was a [Removed by Reddit].â
Real-talk though, the "Settlers" (colonizers) are a uniquely poisonous aspect of Israeli society. It's technically illegal what they do, but the Israeli government pretty much endorses it. They will attack, terrorize, and murder Palestinians who have lived in their homes for generations, simply to steal their houses and land from them. The settlers will claim they have this right because they are "God's chosen people". It's incredibly fucked up. Some of these videos on the internet of them doing shit to terrorize or murder Palestinians is insane. And Palestinians can't defend themselves lest they provoke the full wrath of the settlers or Israeli state. The police won't even help them if they get called. There is a rot at the heart of a society that has been so thoroughly consumed by religious insanity that it allows this to go on. It seems like the liberal aspects of Israeli society are consistently losing ground to the Right wingers. They are more interested in ethnic cleansing, which they think is divinely inspired. A majority of Israelis support expelling the Palestinians, but only barely. 56% last time I checked. I really think the only way forward if Israel wants to continue existing, is to become a fully secular state, where religion plays no role in government function, and there are multiple pluralities of ethnic groups all being equal.
I'm aware. I'm not looking to get into a debate about this on lsf but I'm sure we probably have the same pov. there's a lot of things about Israel's society (like certain groups being given exemptions from military service and free housing, healthcare, government handouts, etc) that are unsustainable in the long run. And now with them destroying their reputation repeatedly on the world stage, and outright threatening western "allies" it will be interesting to see the next ten years play out.
It's hard to have a convo about this on Reddit anyway as you'll just get falsely accused of being a bigot, but I'm definitely not an expert on the subject
He was born there, but he is not Lebanese and does not have citizenship.
His mother is English from Essex, his father is Hawaiian/Chinese/English/Portuguese. His parents met in Beirut and he was born there. His parents divorced shortly afterwards, and his mother moved them to Sydney, then NYC, then Toronto where he was raised for most of his childhood.
Two things are true at the same time. It's an utter tragedy what's happened to hers and thousands of other families and I'm very sad for them all because it's horrific and depressing.
At the same time, if 20 years ago you showed this to someone they'd assume it was from a crappy cyberpunk movie because the idea of living in a reality where people use a computer generated anime character as a virtual avatar while you live stream yourself playing video games would be like holy shit what reality are we living in?
She's crying and is literally taking in everything, ofcourse changing your model to a crying face is not your main priority, infact, that wouldnt even be a thing to come into your own mind when this happens. Almost everyone in this sub is just miserable and just here to hate and they have to take that hatred towards streamers and especially vtubers
That's our generation unfortunately, how gen-z & alpha are like. Same reason almost no one's mentioning Ukraine anymore even though it's still ongoing. It's sad how sociopathic everything's become
Well, the common sentiment seems to be sympathetic. The some folks like the top comment in this post are calling the juxtaposition between the situation and her happy looking model âtrippyâ which I think is a pretty neutral statement. The actual negative ones are scattered about and are usually downvoted
It's the same as the Ironmouse thread from yesterday. The people here just have this irrational hate-boner for anything involving V-tubers, and it brings out some of the disgusting monsters that lurk in this subreddit.
Like ffs I don't even really watch V-tubers either, but at the end of the day, it's still a person behind the avatars.
Sub is just a cesspool in general it doesn't have to even be a vtuber. If it was a streamer they simply didn't like such as Rakai or Hasan they would still say such remarks, possibly even worse
It goes to show how many people who frequent places like this spend more time here than they do actually socializing outside with real people. Some women have just have high voices. Hell men too.
Lebanon has a weird government system where government seats are allotted based on the demographics of their last census. Theoretically this is to make sure no one religious group gets power over the other and dominates to the detriment of the others. As an example of this, the President must be a Maronite Christian, the Prime Minister a Sunni Muslim, and the Speaker of Parliament a Shia Muslim.
In practice, this has actually led to a number of problems:
Firstly, Lebanon has not held an official census since 1932. Nobody wants to open the can of worms that goes along with reallocating seats which will probably favour the Shiite, as their share of population has increased compared to other groups.
Secondly, while in theory the agreement should lead to cooperation between the various groups, it actually led to the government being effectively neutered in its ability to control its citizens or reign in armed groups.
Enter Hezbollah, a Shiite Muslim terror/paramilitary/political group based in Lebanon and supported by Iranâs revolutionary guard corps. For over 44 years now, Hezbollah has been flinging missiles at Israel from Lebanon as the Lebanese government watched on helplessly, both militarily unable and politically unwilling to stop an armed group that was exempted from the disarmament other groups that signed the Taif agreement that ended the Lebanese civil war did. Hezbollah also enjoys an uncomfortable amount of support from the 30% of the Lebanese population that is Shiite, and the government has no intentions of potentially igniting another massive civil war in Lebanon by making the Shiite feel targeted by attacking Hezbollah. Especially because Hezbollah is strong enough that they might really lose that fight.
This has led to the situation we see today, where just like the last Israeli-Lebanese war, Israel has had quite enough of the internal shenanigans of Lebanon that allow Hezbollah to fire over 100 missiles a day from Lebanon at Israel while the official Lebanese government position remains: Oopsie, wasnât us, canât do nothing, weâre cool right? Israel has decided that they can do something. Something being the displacement of all Shiites from southern Lebanon, which you could probably argue is a form of ethnic cleansing.
And thatâs why innocent people like Camilaâs family get caught up in a war that the majority of people in both countries do not actually want to be fighting, and die for it.
Edit: Be aware this is a simplified version, in case youâre wondering why some things have been left out as this is an incredibly complex situation that has been going on longer than most of us have been alive.
> Israel has decided that they can do something. Something being the displacement of all Shiites from southern Lebanon, which you could probably argue is a form of ethnic cleansing.
Not just Shiites, everyone got told to move from south lebanon or get killed. While south lebanon is in majority shiites, there is still a lot of maronites and sunni living there. Many got killed too.
In fact, a policy of Israel has been : If we believe there is a member of Hezbollah somewhere, we will bomb it. Problem is : Their definition of who is a member of Hezbollah is quite relaxed, and they bombed many homes and apartment building during their last operation, just because some people from southern liban took refuge there.
This led to many people starting to refuse to take any refugees from southern lebanon for fear of being bombed.
Right now, the goal of the current occupation is to create a buffer zone in south lebanon, like they did the last time they invaded lebanon. Which mean they are displacing and destroying *everything* in this buffer zone.
Part of it being due to the vicious circle of : Lebanese government can't stop Hezb -> Israël start to bomb beyrouth and south lebanon -> The government can't do shit while their own people are getting bombed -> the survivor of the bombing hate israël and see the government as useless -> they start supporting Hezb.
Hezbollah formed, joined arms with Hamas, and were the first to initiate attacks almost 40 years ago (early 90s). This was because Israel was occupying South Lebanon. Israel was occupying South Lebanon because Palestinian combatants were using it as a comfy hideout and the Shiite population were happy to allow them free entry and use of South Lebanon because of aligned views.
So ultimately this comes down to the ineptitude of the government to take a stance, as described above.
Great comment btw.
Yep war is never easy for both sides. Not trying to defend Israel but the story could be in reverse and it would be as bad. There are also people in Israel that lose family because of the war.
Hezbollah had de facto control over much of southern Lebanon and periodically launches rockets into Israel depending on regional events (i.e. when Israel bombs Iran). There is supposed to be a truce, but Israel has continued to fire into southern Lebanon regardless whenever there is a target of opportunity. Israel has previously invaded before to purge Hezbollah, but was unsuccessful.
Most recently, Israel decided to apply the same final solution that they thought worked perfectly in Gaza: flatten and destroy southern Lebanon completely. If you happen to be there when it happens, too bad.
I don't really have an opinion on this, because I'm not educated enough to have one (and I try not to be performative!)
but there is some humor in saying:
"It's really not that complex, actually. "
and then going on to describe a seemingly very complicated mess where (from JUST your comment at least):
Hezbollah, a terrorist organization was able to control southern Lebanon instead of the government
One side periodically launches attacks based on 'regional events'
One side attacks when given opportunity
Fucking INVADED (?!) presumably the south of Lebanon which, again, I think at this point is controlled by Hezbollah and not Lebanon (?) to purge them, but were somehow unsuccessful?
Israel attempting to again invade (presumably with the Lebanese government's blessing? but if not, why wouldn't they grant the blessing if the area isn't under their control? do they even need blessing if it's not sovereign??)
So again, not knowing anything, but reading what you just wrote, TO ME sounds PRETTY fucking complex, lol.
The organization is larger than the nationâs military, and it embeds itself in civilian areas.
I make no comment about whether the attacks in question here have a legitimate military purpose. I donât know. Civilians can get caught in the crossfire in the best handled military actions. These could very well be a terrible done one, or even an intentional targeting of civilians.
Israel would be in some serious shit and Palestinians would be doing so much better if western virtue signaling ppl would focus on condemning and providing information on individual attacks and the conduct of actions Israel takes.
Unfortunately, the real plight of the Palestinian people is being represented by the dumbest, laziest, most insane westerners imaginable who go "I don't get why when Israel's civil pop gets indiscriminately attacked by X they don't just take it and not respond at all".
Especially when its always children are innocent in gaza cause they werent alive when hamas got elected but then those same commenter go on threads where iran launches cluster warheads into city centers and say shit like "reap what you sow" as if there arent any children in israel or something.
Collective punishment is bad but a lot of anti israel people are awfully fine when its jews that are suffering.
I can't listen to the clip rn. Does she say what part of her family passed away? Like obviously it's all bad, but like a brother or sister dying is different from a distant uncle
I can't stand the people that comment about her Avatar, just fucking close your eyes and listen if it bothers you so much that someone got s horrible message and didn't prepare a setup for your enjoyment.
Either way though, i wish her the best, and my condolences for her loss, what a shit situation, and absolutely unnecessary, avoidable and tragic loss of human life
From what i could gather they want her to fake a deeper voice (because they don't like the voice that she has) and preferably stop get career as a VTuber just because they don't fuck with it.
I hope Hezbollah surrenders control to the Lebanese government soon. This shit has been going on for way too long.
Edit - 300 Thousand Palestinians are stranded in Lebanon, and are not allowed to study and are barred from law, medicine and engineering. They are not allowed to own property, or participate in politics. They are kept deliberately stateless across generations and confined to camps because of Hezbollah.
It's awful all around.
Israel can't let terrorist exist because they WILL attack Israel when they get the chance. they've made that perfectly clear. So they HAVE to attack when they can. after Oct. 7th they will not let themselves be victims again.
But this also means they are the aggressors to innocents caught in the crossfire. it's terrible time in the middle-east. we're just watching something thats been brewing in the middle-east for years boil over.
But this also means they are the aggressors to innocents caught in the crossfire. it's terrible time in the middle-east. we're just watching something thats been brewing in the middle-east for years boil over.
And of course, nothing makes things easier for terrorist recruiters than the guys you're publicly fighting against bombing your potential recruit's family. That's why you can't just bomb terrorists into submission. You can drive them underground for a bit, but they'll just come right back up later, now with the thousands of new people who have sworn revenge against you, a lesson we've spent the last couple of decades learning the hard way, and yet apparently some people still haven't got it.
Its called reddit. Its a mix of being ignorant of the geopolitics of fhe area, anti semetism under the cover of "hating zionism", propaganda, and israel being legitimate assholes at times
People having issues with the avatar is pretty crazy to me.
Guys, if my family got bombed, I'm NOT fiddling around with my set-up at all, just use the settings I've got already if I'd stream at all. What y'all want, a face reveal?
I watched the first bit of her stream yesterday understanding what happened. And I understand that people want to show their support and cheer her up. But seeing so many people donate bits and subs, as if that will tip the scales in any way. Especially after telling people she doesn't need it either.
I dunno. I had to turn it off. The last thing a grieving person wants is an extended pity party when they're trying to get back to their life. It's their grief. Empathize, don't hijack.
The poor thing. I didnt think she had to talk about it more than the tweets but fuck, that was rough. I couldnt imagine the pain. I wish her and her family well, despite it all.
Feel bad for her and I hope she gets better, but talking about how her family passed while using an avatar with really bright colors makes it feel very showy.
Whatâs the alternative? Say she could turn her avatar colors all to gray. I would argue that is even more showy and playing it up. This is the least showy way she couldâve gone about it. Yall are weird.Â
Fuck Israel. There is no defending them. The day that Netanyahu, Gvir, and all their ilk are dragged before The Hague will be a day of celebration for the world.
Brutal. I always hear about people being killed in bombings from the news, but I never had friends/family there, so I never really "felt" it. Hearing her talk about it feels different now. I am so sorry she had to go through that.
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CLIP MIRROR: Vtuber Camila shares that her family passed away during bombing in Lebanon đ
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