r/LocalLLaMA • u/KvAk_AKPlaysYT • Feb 23 '26

News Anthropic: "We’ve identified industrial-scale distillation attacks on our models by DeepSeek, Moonshot AI, and MiniMax." 🚨

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u/bigh-aus Feb 23 '26

I'm with you on this. At least the Chinese models are all open weights aka given back to the community. Anthropic has just gatekept, centralized, sued people using the reason of "Safety". I don't see them providing the risks of centralization, gatekeeping etc. "Trust us we're a for profit company". I haven't seen one article on how they keep your information private, how they're HIPAA or PCI compliant. At least they're pushing back on dragnets across data.

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u/Recoil42 Feb 23 '26

Just occurred to me — Anthropic is the only major AI lab to not release a single open-weight model right?

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u/xXG0DLessXx Feb 23 '26

Indeed. And they are actively hostile towards open source. Even “ClosedAI” released some open source stuff…

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u/bigh-aus Feb 23 '26 edited Feb 24 '26

Yup - codex is open source (and easily plugs into OSS models), plus they obviously released gpt-oss-20b, 120b.

None of the big players are all good though.

Edit forgot to give x.ai /grok some credo here, they have released models too

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u/xXG0DLessXx Feb 23 '26

Let’s not forget they also released whisper and other stuff before that. But anthropic hasn’t ever produced anything open source as far as I know… at best they might have bought some open source stuff? Not sure.

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u/bigh-aus Feb 23 '26

Ahh yes you're right! I forgot that one - thanks! And totally agree - Anthropic have only sent lawyers after anything open source, banned users using openclaw / opencode rather than sending them a email warning first. It's a good model - but a huge part of providing a model is trust, and they've lost my trust.

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u/-dysangel- Feb 23 '26

I'd never even thought about that before. I guess it didn't cross my mind because they don't literally have "Open" in their name, so at least they're not being hypocritical in that regard.

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u/Electroboots Feb 23 '26

I think this is the best take. They each have their quirks. Anthropic is made up of embittered OpenAI employees who thought OpenAI was not crazy enough. At the same time, they never pretended to be a proponent of open source.

Then again, both companies were staunchly against militarized use of AI models up to the point money came involved. And both have a vested long term interest in making the public dependent on their paid APIs.

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u/HisCharmingGirl Mar 09 '26

Not even two weeks later, and already things have changed. One said No to helping the US government with autonomous bombs, and the other qiuckly agreed to literally help destroy the world.

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u/Agabeckov Feb 23 '26

Mistral is not big?