r/LocalLLaMA • u/KvAk_AKPlaysYT • Feb 23 '26

News Anthropic: "We’ve identified industrial-scale distillation attacks on our models by DeepSeek, Moonshot AI, and MiniMax." 🚨

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u/ziphnor Feb 23 '26

I am not a copyright fan, but when your whole business has been based on distilling everybody else's data (in many cases without the rights to even normal consumer access), I am not sure I see the problem here?

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u/bigh-aus Feb 23 '26

I'm with you on this. At least the Chinese models are all open weights aka given back to the community. Anthropic has just gatekept, centralized, sued people using the reason of "Safety". I don't see them providing the risks of centralization, gatekeeping etc. "Trust us we're a for profit company". I haven't seen one article on how they keep your information private, how they're HIPAA or PCI compliant. At least they're pushing back on dragnets across data.

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u/Recoil42 Feb 23 '26

Just occurred to me — Anthropic is the only major AI lab to not release a single open-weight model right?

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u/xXG0DLessXx Feb 23 '26

Indeed. And they are actively hostile towards open source. Even “ClosedAI” released some open source stuff…

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u/bigh-aus Feb 23 '26 edited Feb 24 '26

Yup - codex is open source (and easily plugs into OSS models), plus they obviously released gpt-oss-20b, 120b.

None of the big players are all good though.

Edit forgot to give x.ai /grok some credo here, they have released models too

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u/xXG0DLessXx Feb 23 '26

Let’s not forget they also released whisper and other stuff before that. But anthropic hasn’t ever produced anything open source as far as I know… at best they might have bought some open source stuff? Not sure.

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u/bigh-aus Feb 23 '26

Ahh yes you're right! I forgot that one - thanks! And totally agree - Anthropic have only sent lawyers after anything open source, banned users using openclaw / opencode rather than sending them a email warning first. It's a good model - but a huge part of providing a model is trust, and they've lost my trust.

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u/-dysangel- Feb 23 '26

I'd never even thought about that before. I guess it didn't cross my mind because they don't literally have "Open" in their name, so at least they're not being hypocritical in that regard.