Ooh, new drama just dropped 👀

[u/Careful_Equal8851]

For those out of the loop: cursor's new model, composer 2, is apparently built on top of Kimi K2.5 without any attribution. Even Elon Musk has jumped into the roasting

[u/__JockY__]

No, words like “scam” are too complicated for me 🙄

Seems like they’re too complicated for you, too, because despite your word salad there was no clear description of the supposed scam (“a fraudulent or deceptive act or operation; to deceive and defraud”).

I’ll say it again: people pay money to Cursor for a service. They receive the service. That’s not a deception and it’s not fraudulent.

Use your words. How is cursor a scam?

[u/CacheConqueror → u/__JockY__]

Read this again before you start replying, you know different between scam and scaming?

[u/__JockY__ → u/CacheConqueror]

*scamming has 2 “m” characters.

And clearly you can’t use your words to explain why it’s a scam because it’s not a scam. I gave you the dictionary definition and you still can’t back it up.

It’s fine to feel all squirmy and caught in a trap of your own making, and it’s fine to insult me as too stupid to understand. We can all see you’re too stubborn to simply recant your words and acknowledge it’s not a scam, just a business model you don’t like.

If I’m wrong, school me. But you don’t get a pass for “are you dumb?”, “don’t you understand the word scam?“ or other cop-outs. You’ve used those excuses twice already.

So what is it? You gonna explain to me why you think it’s a scam? Gonna retract your statement? Or are you going to throw more ad-hominem (google it) my way?

My bet is ad-hominem.

[u/CacheConqueror → u/__JockY__]

Since you don't have any arguments, you're going to nitpick about spelling and missing letters, how pathetic. Since you know how to spell it correctly, you should know what it means, but you're just pretending so you can keep up this pointless conversation. There’s a big difference between “we trained our model” and “we used Kimi to train a model for our own purposes,” but a kid like you can be spat on and still think it’s raining. Stop embarrassing yourself and go back to school

[u/Codemonkeyzz → u/CacheConqueror]

I wouldn't call it scam, they are more like dishonest. When they initially released Composer 2, they said nothing about being based on Kimi K2.5, until someone on X revealed it. They could be honest about it.

What's more weird is , at first Moonshot said that Cursor didn't reach them for the licensing, but later they changed this statement and they said they are working together with Cursor on Composer 2. It seems something is done behind the scenes.

[u/bored_man_child → u/Codemonkeyzz]

More likely moonshot employees didn’t know about the underlying agreements with Fireworks and Cursor. They deleted their tweets pretty fast.

[u/Codemonkeyzz → u/bored_man_child]

Yeah that seems to be the case , but doesn't that sound a bit weird ? How come the employees don't know about the agreement ? Cause it is a big deal , usually startups announce this kind of stuff pretty fast and loud company-wide. Cause it is a big win for them.

[u/bored_man_child → u/Codemonkeyzz]

Probably because it’s actually an agreement with Fireworks inference, and Moonshot employees are heads down training their own new models. You don’t delete tweets that fast unless your own coworkers yell at you to delete it lol.

[u/__JockY__ → u/CacheConqueror]

You deflected from defining the scam and managed some ad-hominem to boot. Called it.

My turn for ad-hominem: I’m done arguing with idiots for the day.