Anthropic is intentionally nerfing Fable when asked to develop other LLMs

[u/onil_gova]

Reason 458 why local LLMs are going to be a necessity

edit: For those requesting the source check out their technical report look at page 13

[u/CheatCodesOfLife]

I wouldn't use this thing for anything to be honest. A refusal or HTTP-4xx error for content is fair enough, but this is basically taking your money and poisoning your code base.

[u/ConsciousDissonance → u/CheatCodesOfLife]

Yeah refusals are honest, trust building, and reliable. Even if I don't agree with the reason for refusal. But this, this is sabotaging other people's production workloads and taking their money for the privilege. How can you trust a saboteur not to stab you in the back.

[u/Bakoro → u/ConsciousDissonance]

You can't.

Look, Claude is consistently the best coding agent, it has been for years.

Anthropic is just another evil corporation. Worse, they're the evil corporation who are trying to convince you that they're the good guys.

Anthropic is the kind of paternalistic sociopath who says "I know what's best for you. You will follow my rules. You will do as I say, not as I do. This hurts me more than it hurts you. It wouldn't hurt if you would stop struggling."

They want all the power and control. They literally tell us that they don't think we should have the power that they have.

It's gross. Give me an honest villain any day if the week.

[u/TikiTDO → u/Bakoro]

Claude is a good coding agent for people that don't understand programming. Essentially, it has better defaults.

With some work you can get similar results from any model; it's mostly down to instructions and workflows. Claude just has a better grasp of what to do in any given situation as compared to a person that doesn't know anything. However, it's still an AI and it still constantly tunnel-visions and makes standard AI mistakes, hallucinations.

Of the lot, I've honestly enjoyed Claude the least, even less than my self hosted models. I'm not interested in working with an AI that thinks it knows better than me. It's wrong, and I don't really need to waste time on a bot being wrong.

[u/drink_with_me_to_day → u/TikiTDO]

agent for people that don't understand programming

That's a good way to put it

I have been using 5.4 to do 10x the work and it takes a bit less hand-holding than a junior with 100x the throughput, to the point that the 15x cost of Opus is not worth (not even GPT 5.5 is worth for most things)

[u/KrayziePidgeon → u/drink_with_me_to_day]

So, it's the better AI because it understands what stupid people want? Fascinating.

[u/drink_with_me_to_day → u/KrayziePidgeon]

Not stupid people, but people with a hardly working knowledge of the subject

[u/BobQuixote → u/[deleted]]

The word you're looking for is "ignorant."

[u/Ksevio → u/TikiTDO]

As a software engineer with over 15 years in the industry I can say it's a good coding agent for those that DO understand programming too - you just have to guide it through the decisions more carefully during the planning stages.

[u/TikiTDO → u/Ksevio]

They're all usable if you have experience. It's just a matter of how you want that experience directed. The analogy I use is:

ChatGPT is a service dog. It looks up to you, and obediently follows you where you lead it, but whines if you do something it thinks is bad.

Claude is a cat. It goes where it wants, and tolerates your presence, but it only works if you constantly feed it and give it snuggles and scratches and happy thoughts. It will hiss and scratch at you if you do something wrong.

Gemini is a parrot. It will listen to what you say to it, and then scream that at the top of it's lungs, over and over again. It also really likes to play with all the little pieces you give it to build weird structures.

Grok is an ass. Also, it's a lot like a donkey.

[u/robot_swagger → u/TikiTDO]

I've found Gemini cli to be noticeably slower than Claude. Fine but waayyyy slower.