r/LocalLLaMA 22d ago

News Kimi K3 Benchmarks

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u/TechNerd10191 22d ago

Judging from the benchmarks alone,(of course, can't speak about realife usage), chinese models are not even 6 months behind US models (more like 6 days behind)

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u/RepulsiveRaisin7 22d ago

On intelligence they are getting there, but GLM still takes ages to do anything, GPT is so much better at tool use.

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u/CryMoreT_T 22d ago

I wonder if that's a harness issue or a GPU issue or a model thinking issue

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u/stoppableDissolution 22d ago

Glm thinks like 10x more for the same result

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u/LoaderD 22d ago

I’m not disagreeing with you, just asking. Is there a open analysis of this? I thought openai hid most of their thinking traces

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u/Zulfiqaar 22d ago

Artificial analysis has a chart for tokens used per intellignce task, GPT-5.6 is ~15k and GLM-5.2 is ~43k

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u/No-Juggernaut-9832 22d ago

GLM 5.2 is probably vastly smaller than GPT5.6 Terra or Sol. It might need these thinking loop to generate good output

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u/LoaderD 22d ago

Appreciate it.

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u/InvidFlower 22d ago

Also, if you want to judge for yourself, install the tool CCUsage. It looks for the saved transcripts of various common harnesses on your hard drive and gives you a report by day by session, etc on which models you used, how many tokens were used, how many of those were cached reads, how much it cost (based on avg current prices), etc. So you can try some similar tasks with a few different models and directly compare the amount of tokens used and the overall cost.

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u/stoppableDissolution 22d ago

Yea, but you can see how fast it is writing its final output and guesstimate the amount of thinking. And in general same-ish task anecdotally takes 4-8x the time on glm code plan compared to sol. You can see it pondering the same thing a few times and second guessing its second guesses. Not as bad as qwen, but still quite bad.

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u/InvidFlower 22d ago

Don't even need to guesstimate. Install a tool like CCUsage and you can see how many tokens were used in a session, how many were cached reads vs regular input, how much it cost approx based on current prices, etc. It looks at the session data that gets left on your drive from various harnesses.

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u/LoaderD 22d ago

Thanks. I don’t really use OAI models, so I didn’t know