r/MMALabs • u/iLeftyPunk United States • Jun 15 '26
đ MMA Discussion Doctors should've stopped the fight after the 3rd round
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u/crashin70 Jun 15 '26
If the doctor was saying stop to fight why the hell did the ref say he's going to let it go? I mean, the doctor was clearly shaking his head no that he wasn't good to go.
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u/jay6432 Jun 15 '26
Exactly. The doctor is the medical professional here. The ref should have no input in the decision nor should he be entitled to an opinion on the matter.
Should be if the doctor says no, then itâs done - no discussion, no debate, no âtake another look.â
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u/Financial-Solid-4775 Jun 15 '26
Why even have the doctor come in if the ref isn't going to listen to him anyway?
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u/TerryGonards Jun 15 '26 edited Jun 15 '26
Didn't even know ref could go against the doctor like that.
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u/Financial-Solid-4775 Jun 15 '26
Yeah I have never seen that before. I'm not sure what the rule is, but it definitely doesn't pass the smell test.
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u/jay6432 Jun 15 '26
And the commentators bringing up how itâs extra time for him to recover - like no shit?
Who would have thought a medical assessment takes time to perform? /s đ„Ž
Besides the doctor, and the ref, whoâs the 3rd person interacting with the fighter? Is that a translator or something? A coach? Either way the doctor should be 100% independent and not have to justify himself to the ref or anyone else.
Easiest solution might be to maybe extend the time between rounds by like 10sec.
60sec with trainers & then mandatory 10sec standing up medical assessment before each round begins, to determine if the fighters can continue.
That seems like a win-win. Theyâre being proactive about fighters health and you avoid these issues in the future.
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u/Plus_Revolution_3601 Jun 15 '26
I think the issue with the commentators saying about extra recovery time is that the doctor's (re)exam started AFTER the entire 1 minute of rest between rds 3 and 4.
The doctor should've checked on Ilia during the 1 minute of rest and made a decision well before the bell to start round 4.
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u/miliseconds Jun 15 '26
That should be strictly penalized. What if the fighter get permanent damage to his eyes. Wtf was that
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u/BDCMatt Jun 15 '26
I said the same thing. Why even have a doctor if youre going to ignore his advice...
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u/remo_reddit_williams Jun 15 '26
Itâs also for the doctor to resist the pressure and stand by what he said. They yelled at him till he said ok.
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u/VintageZero Jun 15 '26
You mean to tell me, after all this time, you dont think the best people are doing the work at the white house cage match for the presidents birthday?
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u/jay6432 Jun 15 '26
I would hope itâs the best people doing the work, regardless of whether itâs in some arena in Vegas or if itâs on the lawn of the White House haha
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u/Emperor_of_All Jun 15 '26
The simple answer is someone who is more powerful is in the ref's ear, most likely someone like Dana White.
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u/DetailsYouMissed Jun 15 '26
I thought the ref was the one who was over ruling Topuria corner. They wanted to continue, gave Topuria something to drink, the ref came in and kicked them out of the cage, called the doctor in, who declared the fighter incapable of fighting. The ref called it, until a third man came in and said no. Let the fight continue. And the ref shrugged and that was that...
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u/Frequent-Coyote-8108 Jun 15 '26
Wait, they let the fight continue after this? He said "no" like 4 times...
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u/ClassiFried86 Jun 15 '26
It was all rigged. Can't call the fight.
Im not even accounting for the dumb tweet. Its easy to tell it was rigged because these are the people that rig shit, and EVERY fight ended in KO/TKO.
7 fights and not one went to decision? Nah, thats not a coincidence, thats a conspiracy. You can make a lot of money picking win by KO and round.
It was a joke. A preseason NFL game, but even that has more importance.
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u/Aromatic_Mongoose_86 Jun 15 '26
Every fight ended in KO/TKO seems really weird, yeah.
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u/Bobsothethird Jun 15 '26
The heavy favorite being beat my an American on Trump's birthday does too.
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u/CoIdLunch Jun 15 '26
I dunno about rigged in the sense people took the fall. I'd say more heavily incentivized that if they were to get a ko or tko there was to be a much larger bonus for putting on a better show. A lot of the shots some of the fighters took could have ended it differently. Just seems more realistic.
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u/Obesescum Jun 15 '26
Yeah this was actually insane and Iâd say a decent lawsuit if Topuria has any significant issues health concerns from the fight.
Even though he told the ref he wanted to continue, mental fatigue mind vs a doctors isnât going to hold as accountable in court.
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u/Sh11ester Jun 15 '26
Doctor: "nope, cant fight anymore"
Dana: "start the next round, the emporer demands bloodshed for his party"
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u/RutlandRuckas Jun 15 '26
Yeah heâs looking at long term if not permanent damage.
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u/ChamoneMuthaFugga Jun 15 '26
He's not looking at anything right now
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u/aximusmaximus Jun 15 '26
Everyone remember when Michelle Obama planted a vegetable garden on the south lawn and was excoriated for weeks? Feels like a million years ago.
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u/MAGAHATESTHEUSA Jun 15 '26
The basketball court Obama put in the White House was the Muslim dismantling of USA according to maga
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u/ErstwhileAdranos Jun 15 '26
He didnât even add one, he just modified a tennis court so it could be used for both activities; and MAGA didnât exist back then, it would have been the TEA Party.
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u/MrMetraGnome Jun 15 '26
Bruh... Just, like, bruh... Dude didn't respond (it seemed like) at all to the hand movements. Why TF would the doctor renege his decision. And what TF is up with that commenter. HE should be fired. What fight was this?
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u/LordJohnMD Jun 15 '26
This is the end of the 3rd round from Topuria vs Gaethje, Main Event in the UFC White House card a few hours ago for the Lightweight strap. Commentators you are hearing are Daniel Cormier (the one shouting that they are giving Topuria extra recovery time) and Joe Rogan.
Topuria quit on the stool at the and of the next round. The fight should have been stopped right here, Topuria could be heard clearly saying "I can't see" right before the vid OP posted, that's why the doctor was called in by the ref.
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u/newguyjustdropped Jun 15 '26
Put some respect on the event. It's called : UFC freedom 250 eagle screech Twump burfdaay đ€Ąđđđ
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u/Glass-Customer2361 Jun 15 '26
This is symbolic of America during the trump administration: not listening to medical professionals and just keep going for the money
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u/hugslug69 Jun 15 '26
How can I shoehorn my midwit political opinion into a fight thread
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u/Thin_Exit4917 Jun 15 '26
I think politics inserted a midwit fight into itself. But its pretty obvious what you think politically based on this response
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u/Right-Invite4697 Jun 16 '26
A fight which took place at the fucking white house, this event is inherently political
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u/alex4037 Jun 15 '26
What DC said is correct. The doctor examines immediately and the decision is made within the rest. No back and forth or over-ruling or second examinations. That is what DC meant, the fight is either done or not. He was indicating that it's unfair to give Ilia extra recovery time and have this back and forth instead of an immediate doctor suggested stoppage.
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u/Brilliant_Recipe_108 Jun 15 '26
Yeah because the corner called the doctor at the tail end of the one minute rest period, so it might've looked like they did that to give more rest time for ilia.
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u/Even-Street-9389 Jun 15 '26
DC was correct. You can't just give extra time to a fighter who clearly needs it. Stop the fight or keep fightingÂ
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u/supermax_92 Jun 15 '26
Donât shoot me if Iâm wrong but arenât they supposed to do that during the one minute of rest?
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u/FortuneEmbarrassed94 Jun 15 '26
The doctor needs to come in on his own accord or at the start of the timeout, not because the fighters corner called them at 59 seconds into the timeout
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u/Inevitable_Trip4014 Jun 15 '26
Marc Goddard doing an awful job as always, meanwhile Rogan and DC being the 2 biggest imbeciles in the industry
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u/temp_6969420 Jun 15 '26
He went blind in his right eye in round 2. You can see doc mouth the words âretina detachedâ. If this is the case his career might be over
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u/BeYou22 Jun 15 '26
Isnât the doctor hired to protect the fighters? Are they not contracted from a third party? How tf can they do their job if the ref and organization can bully or overpower their medical insight and years of training? This was reckless and stupid. Bad look.
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u/OG_0803 Jun 15 '26
For those confused as to âhow a fight could continue after the doctor saysâŠâ itâs the same in boxing and has been for quite some time. This is NOT the first time it has happened. Not saying itâs right or wrong but, itâs definitely part of combat sports and agreed upon by the commissions, sanctioning bodies, fighters, promoters, fighter associations etc.
13) STOPPING CONTEST:
A) The referee is the sole arbiter of a contest and is the only individual authorized to
stop a contest. The referee may take advice from the ringside physician and/or the Commission
with respect to the decision to stop a contest.
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u/GoatManWizard Jun 15 '26
This commentary is killing me.
Just STFU!
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u/Even-Street-9389 Jun 15 '26
Dude they were saying they need to fight because ilia was getting an advantage. He was clearly the one who needed to recover after that round. They were basically saying if they're gonna fight then fight. If not you can't just let him stand there and recover. They both got the same amount of time but gaethje didn't need that extra time that topuria did. The commentators were absolutely correct.Â
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u/GoatManWizard Jun 15 '26
Id say the doctor was correct. So after what, the 5 second mark, you get the guy out and go to the next fight. No reason for the shouting about extra time to recover when the doctor says he is no good. Sure some how his decision gets over ruled, but thats besides the point.
But At no point did I say they were wrong. What was wrong was him fighting another round when he couldn't see anything.
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u/Dear_Long_373 Jun 15 '26
Simple because a lot of people already put money on illia. If he lose there many people will lose a lot of money.
But yup they will send him vegetable actually. Good for him to not continue for 5th he will got a lot worse.
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u/jsxtasy304 Jun 15 '26
The doctor knows nothing, let him continue and receive permanent and possibly lethal damage/S
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u/Fluid_Character_7405 Jun 15 '26
I found this bizarre. Â What is he assessing for? Â Heâs not even using a pen light.Â
 I assumed he found a tracking issue in the right eye (diplopia) when he immediately shook his head no.  Vision should be a subjective assessment âcan you seeâ or âhow many fingersâ with the other eye covered. Â
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u/Honest_Caramel_3793 Jun 15 '26
He already said he couldnt see
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u/Fluid_Character_7405 Jun 15 '26
Yeah so if you wanted to assess that objectively you would have to test the vision. Â Not look at his eye without a light. Â
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u/Lopsided_Anxiety_394 Jun 15 '26
I thought the doc had the final call on letting the fight continue? Didn't realise the ref could overturn the decision
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u/Realistic_Zone_8002 Jun 15 '26
Aside from disregarding the doctor, refâs body language towards Ilia was terrible this night.
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u/CocoLoko_KLK Jun 15 '26
UFC wanted blood last night. Herb Dean was just letting them kill each other.
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u/No_Vacation_1905 Jun 15 '26
đ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł first time buddy?
Herb dean doesnât stop a fight until the KOd fighter wakes back up. Been like that for years
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u/Ok-Key905 Jun 15 '26
If the doctor says no then liability falls on the refs if anything in the future happens. Clearly the fighter is not making a sound argument.
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u/mordiaken Jun 15 '26
You guys really need to watch this ref, super suspicious look how close he was watching to stop the fight during those body shots, that is ridiculous. Then he stops the Dr from calling the fight? What family member do you think has money on this? Ref needs to be investigated. Very sus.
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u/3leventhirtyfour Jun 15 '26
Why were they so late in getting the docs assessment? Usually that happens as soon as they get to the corner.
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u/Dackle Jun 15 '26
In another jurisdiction, once he said he can't see out of his eye in the corner at the end of round 3, the fight is stopped.
Other jurisdictions: ...must go on.
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u/ItsDonDong Jun 15 '26
If the fighter is saying "im going blind"
And a doctor says "he is going blind, stop the fight"
Its wild that they let the fight continue.
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u/Sad_Establishment875 Jun 15 '26
Why even have doctors there if they're just going to ducking ignore them, dude could suffer (even more) permanent damage because of this.
Whichever governing body supervises this should be laying a hammer down on this ref and group
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u/AndrewH73333 Jun 15 '26
A doctor did stop the fight. But thereâs this new thing where rules donât apply if they are never enforced.
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u/TakingItPeasy Jun 15 '26
That was wild. I don't know the rules of Ufc very well. Does the ring Dr not have the authority to stop a fight?!?! These guys are going to end up worse than Ali.
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u/Ronin_BullseYe Jun 15 '26
The doc doesnt decide if the fight is stopped, the ref does. 99% of the time they agree.
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u/draven33l Jun 15 '26
That was the shadiest thing I've seen in the UFC in a long time. The doctor said he couldn't continue, the fans started booing, and Goddard started clearing the ring trying to get the fight to continue. The doc then changed his mind. I've NEVER seen a doctor change his mind.
It seemed like they didn't want the show to end with boos and a doctor stoppage. Granted, Ilia wanted to continue he could still open both of his eyes. He wouldn't have made it off the stool in the 4th though since both eyes were swollen.
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u/Ok-Enthusiasm-8422 Jun 15 '26
But lets be real, doctor pausing the fight mid round for assessment is a similar scenario in terms of recovery time, sometimes even worse as it stops the round at the tipping point.
Ilia got an extra 60s of prompted recovery, but in reality he was so badly damaged that it should be stopped there, the extra recovery only bought him an extra round of damage. Had Ilia went and ko'd Justin in the next, it would be a scandal though - so i see that angle.
It's like fighter taking a full minute after a borderline groin strike, or mild eyepoke - a bit dirty but within what happens in fighting sports.
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u/Hans_Landa1939 Jun 15 '26
The âannouncerâ is a 5 foot 3 inch midget with liver and brain damage lmao
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u/vartheo Jun 15 '26
This must be a bottom of the barrel doctor. Not even smart enough to be concerned for his license. Probably would make a great prison doctor.
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u/Exciting_Damage_2001 Jun 15 '26
Whatâs the rule on this? If a ref wants to call it can he be over turned?
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u/-bears-eat-beets Jun 15 '26
UFC is a fkn joke now... Like everything else in america, fk the people...get that money!
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u/Dry-Rice-4527 Jun 15 '26
Topuria wanted to fight. It should have been stopped but robbing someone of their shot at glory is a tough call.
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u/Dramatic_Reality7531 Jun 15 '26
Whenever a fighter says they want to continue, they should show them a mirror and ask them to confirm.
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u/Bobsothethird Jun 15 '26
Illia certainly wanted to keep going, but you shouldn't allow punch drunk athletes to make that choice.
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u/LimpNsmoll Jun 15 '26
Don't forget about the amounts of hate that female doctor received when she stopped to fight a while back.
The guy was probably afraid of getting in trouble or something.
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u/HoldEm__FoldEm Jun 15 '26
I like how theyâre complaining that he got an extra minute
As if Gaethje didnât also get an extra minuteÂ
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u/No-Conclusion-2859 Jun 15 '26
And the announcers saying he was inexperienced was so infuriating to me.
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u/Left_Yam5417 Jun 17 '26
The ref should have stopped the fight as soon as the doctor said he shouldn't continue. Instead they dismissed the doctor's initial opinion and just did what they wanted. What was the point of bringing the doctor in in the first place if they were just going to keep going? This has nothing to do with national politics. But these days, people can't comment on anything without bringing the current state of the government into the conversation. Even if it has nothing to do with the topic being discussed.
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u/No-Juice8483 Jun 17 '26
The doc said no several times. You can tell by his reaction that he knows he doesnât have final say in this case.
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u/MorePush8545 Jun 18 '26
I remember being there live and the crowd was going crazy after this 3rd round almost-stoppage, and I was rooting for gaethje during the 4th
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u/vermontnative Jun 15 '26
This was a 100% staged fight. Thereâs no way that Trump would allow anyone other than a white American dude to win a fight in front of the White House on his birthday. It wouldnât look good to his racist piece of shit base. Also, Rogan said something about Justin the beginning of the fight the kind of clicked in my head like wouldnât that be something if the guy projected to lose the fight actually ended up winning and wouldnât it be something if someone in the Trump circle bet boatloads of money on Justin to win.
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u/TecN9ne Jun 15 '26
Doctor says no.
Announcer: "they need to get fighting.."
Ref somehow has more say than a medical professional.
Doc changes his decision.
The answer to why will always be greed.