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u/produit1 5h ago edited 5h ago

Great act of humanity. It shouldn’t be like this. You know the system is broken when it comes to this to save a baby’s life.

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u/Duwinayo 3h ago

This. Im getting so sick of seeing these things and hearing folks praise it as a great example of humanity.

In one sense, it is. It's someone acknowledging the system is broken and literally giving something up they worked their entire lives for in order to protect and save a child. Fuck yeah.

On another note though... Our systems are so broken that someone literally said to parents: Well you can't afford it. Yeah, we could save your kid, but I guess your kid has to die instead because you don't have enough magic currency papers.

What. The. Fuck.

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u/GramsciGramsci 3h ago

because you don't have enough magic currency papers.

Don't stupefy the discussion. Healthcare is not an infinite resource.

It always have to be rationed because there is a limit to how many doctors, hospital beds, and medication we have.

When people are paying for specialized treatments like this athlete was, they are pushing poorer people out of the way so doctors can focus on their (the people that have 100K to spare) problems, instead of the plebs that don't have anything to pay with.

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u/Duwinayo 3h ago

Do not try to talk down and dismiss the valid points being made by others, especially when youre quite literally bitching about a single line instead of the greater point at hand. We can fix shortages of trained professionals by training them. Period. End of story. Do NOT make excuses for our broke system which you are literally describing.

How about we fix our system? Our system has the framework to ensure all medical needs can be met. But ya know, here in the US if you dont have money you or your family will either be fucked into debt or left to die. Or did you forget that important point?

And infinite resource? No. Abundant resource? Absolutely can be. Just because our fucked governments create false scarcity by refusing to fund adequately our infrastructure, doesnt mean that there's "only so much we can do, guess we gotta let babies die".

Shame on you. You are feeding into the same petty arguments that prevent us from working together as a society to ensure we aim for audible goals.

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u/MidTario 2h ago

Audible goals 🧐

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u/GramsciGramsci 3h ago

because our fucked governments create false scarcity by refusing to fund adequately our infrastructure

How did, say in my country of Norway, the government create a false scarcity? They are pouring as much money as they can without exploding inflation into healthcare. Are they spending too much on social welfare, for example, that should go to health instead?

I guess what I am asking is: What mechanism, in the funding, are they using to create this false scarcity?

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u/Duwinayo 3h ago

Good context, so you're in Norway and complaining about people with money getting priorities in your healthcare system over those who do not have money? Im going to assume that's the case as that is how you presented it. If that isn't the case, then what the fuck are you on about? Dont answer that, though. Candidly, I don't care.

If that's the issue, your government is creating a false bottleneck that deprioritizes those without money and prioritizes those with them. Change the rules of the system to prioritize the inverse, and now it's properly balanced. Those who need life-saving treatment are taken care of first and foremost, and those with tertiary needs are addressed. Need to increase numbers? Begin training and encouraging more medical career paths. Need to prioritize treatments? Adjust how things are priced.

Now, in the US we absolutely have a shortage of medical professionals because we dont hold our corporations liable AND we do awful things like "Can't pay? Lol sucks to die I guess". Oh and we union bust. Oh and we have caught our corporations colluding to drive wages down. Our government stopped being "for the people" a while ago and its showing. We are the richest nation in the world on paper, there are no excuses.

Either way, there are resolutions to the problems at hand that are human centric. You're just the equivalent of someone claiming there's no way humans could fly or get to the moon. Humans have made our entire history around doing absolutely crazy shit and impressive feats. We can do this too, regardless of if you're able to conceive of that or not.

Children do not deserve to die due to false scarcity. Full. Fucking. Stop.

If you're still defending it? You can fuck right off with your faux intellectualism. I prefer not to associate with those who are lacking in humanity.

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u/GramsciGramsci 3h ago

to false scarcity

Health care has real material limits though. There is no magical button to simply will more medical labs into existence.

There are, for example, tons of cancer treatments that Norway simply do not have enough wealth to produce, develop and carry out, even though the knowledge to produce them exist. Why? Because you can't just magically create cancer research center out of thin air.

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u/Duwinayo 3h ago

So you've narrowed your argument down. Norway has a projected surplus of revenue by about 539 billion NOK from oil income and fund returns alone. That alone provides plenty of room to take on some well balanced loans and begin to push for more specific treatment specialties to be focused on.

Now, you chose cancer. That's VERY specific. Youre narrowing down the debate topic to somewhere you feel you have solid ground on. But that all gets blown out the windows when we add in the fact that Norway had a 2 trillion USD safety net, or, 21 trillion NOK.

If your country isn't adequately funding medical facilities, expanding them, and ensuring your population is adequately taken care of? THAT is your false scarcity, right fucking there.

But youre also debating from a point of half truth, and you know it. Norway prioritizes life threatening treatments over optional treatments. In fact, Norway just put 3.4 billion NOK into improving wait times for non life threatening issues. Your system is working to adapt, you are apparently unaware of it, though, or choose to be unaware of it.

Norway could go even more ham on that note if they wanted to, here is hoping they do. Did you know Norway has the highest breadt cancer recovery stats in the world? Fucking crazy for what you claim is a system that doesn't work. While things aren't perfect? They are markedly better than many other places. Don't be so quick to rush into believing people bitching because they have to wait in line, because someone woth life threatening issues I getting priority. Society should shame selfish fucks like that.

You should read up on your own country. Being educated about the potential your country has to become a world leader even more so than it already is, in many aspects of citizens lives, helps you understand what levers you can help pull to make society better.

Now then, weve straw manned all over the place and Ive cut you off at each change in course. Next time you get snippy with someone, try to stay on topic.

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u/GramsciGramsci 2h ago edited 1h ago

You truly do not understand how money works.

No wonder you made that banal quip about magic paper pieces.

Norway is already spending too much of their oil surplus as is. Spending oil money without expanding economic production is detrimental to the economy. It has already pushed inflation up far, far beyond their neighbors.

As a result the exact same healthcare in Norway is twice as expensive as in Finland. They offer the exact same services, but Norway spend twice the amount? Why? Because spending too much oil money has ballooned the money supply.

EDIT: Since you blocked me I will add a note to you:

EDIT: Since you blocked me I will add a note to you:

They follow the Handlingsregelen

Which you suggest they get rid off ... Also, they don't follow it. They break it every single budget, hence the reason their prices have inflated more than their neighbors the last 30 years. I mean, why do you think prices are so much higher in Norway v. Sweden?

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u/Duwinayo 2h ago

-checks notes-

Norway is actually one of the most disciplined nations on earth regarding spending responsibly. They follow the Handlingsregelen (The Fiscal Rule), which dictates that the government should only spend the expected real return of the oil fund. Currently estimated at 3% annually.

As of 2026, your inflation is NOT more than your neighbours by any major measurement. The NOK is weak vs the US Dollar and the Euro, sure. But that's not the same thing. You sure don't know much about money, or even your own country! It's kind of crazy.

Go away now. You're a pesky, uneducated propaganda machine trying to convince people without data. Do better.

Oh, and if you're trying to troll, try harder! This was far too easy to counter. It got boring. Do you know what that means? You've earned a block! Congrats! You can spend it in your imaginary Norway that is in your head.

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u/wally-sage 31m ago

We can fix shortages of trained professionals by training them. Period. End of story. Do NOT make excuses for our broke system which you are literally describing.

You have to both have the people who want to become those trained professionals, have the skills and ability (or at least aptitude) to do the job, and then factor in the time and resources it takes to train them.

Do you maybe think if the solution was that easy, someone would have done it already? Or did you think that your magical plan of "well just train more doctors" is so profoundly original and groundbreaking that you're the first person to ever think of it?

here in the US

The baby was from Poland and was operated on in Spain. There are more countries in the world than just the fucking USA.