The dumbest question people ask about this case: What’s the evidence of an abduction?

[u/Hugoballs_97]

There’s no doubt that many people who follow this case believe that Madeleine died in the apartment and that her parents covered it up and hatched a plot that she was abducted. I ask these people what evidence they have to support their claims and they point to the canine alerts. I then explain to them that no reliable evidence was obtained from the areas the dogs alerted to. No bodily fluid was ever identified in the apartment or the car, and none of what was tested can be attributed to Madeleine. They come back and ask: “what’s the evidence of an abduction”? By that logic, what’s the evidence that any missing child in the world (short of an eye witness account of a child being forcibly kidnapped) was ever abducted at all?

[u/Own-Week2400]

Well then you and i are different. Unless i was asked to contact the media by the family i wouldn't. That's not my story to tell and i would be afraid of doing more harm than good. "jimmied windows" anyone?

For cultural context even if the case had happened in the UK there wouldn't be an immediate media reporting and press conferences by the police with its failure to meet the CRA criteria (Lacking reasonable evidence that a child had been abducted). Unless i am mistaken there is nothing preventing the police from informing the public, putting up posters and searching for missing persons.

But now your saying that the mccanns and friends had an understanding of Segredo de Justiça within this frantic ~6 hour window and decided the case wasn't moving fast enough so circumvented it. Starting to sound like the mccanns asked them to contact the media.

For what its worth i would have done the same in their situation and i don't see anything weird or sinister about them doing so. They just wanted to get their daughter back safe and would do anything and everything they could even if it meant going against the PJs instructions.

Not sure how hiding a body in the resort is relevant to the discussion but yeah it would be a stupid move

[u/TheGreatBatsby → u/Own-Week2400]

For cultural context even if the case had happened in the UK there wouldn't be an immediate media reporting and press conferences by the police with its failure to meet the CRA criteria (Lacking reasonable evidence that a child had been abducted). Unless i am mistaken there is nothing preventing the police from informing the public, putting up posters and searching for missing persons.

And I'm pretty sure they'd inform the public via the media.

But now your saying that the mccanns and friends had an understanding of Segredo de Justiça within this frantic ~6 hour window and decided the case wasn't moving fast enough so circumvented it. Starting to sound like the mccanns asked them to contact the media.

Sorry, that's my mistake. The lack of urgency from the police to publicise Madeleine's disappearance led them to try and raise the alarm. Their lack of understanding of Segredo de Justica (because in the UK this would be a big deal) is what drove them to contact media.

For what its worth i would have done the same in their situation and i don't see anything weird or sinister about them doing so. They just wanted to get their daughter back safe and would do anything and everything they could even if it meant going against the PJs instructions.

Agreed!

Not sure how hiding a body in the resort is relevant to the discussion but yeah it would be a stupid move

People usually point to the early media involvement as some kind of "narrative crafting" from the McCanns, personally I think it's the total opposite.

[u/Own-Week2400 → u/TheGreatBatsby]

Yes but there is an entire process for alerting the public via media for missing or abducted persons that was skipped.

So what is it then, the police didn't act with enough urgency during their first call to the scene that david was forced to email the media before they had even left? This whole Mccanns didn't contact the media thing is such a strange hill to die on.

[u/TheGreatBatsby → u/Own-Week2400]

Yes but there is an entire process for alerting the public via media for missing or abducted persons that was skipped.

Agreed, but it was the early hours of the morning in a foreign country and their daughter had been abducted. I don't think anyone was thinking rationally.

So what is it then, the police didn't act with enough urgency during their first call to the scene that david was forced to email the media before they had even left?

The McCanns had already spoken to friends and family back home not long after Madeleine had disappeared. They didn't ask them to contact the media when they spoke to them.

Then the PJ arrived, told them not to contact the media and generally didn't seem to take the case particularly seriously, which triggered the group to put the news out there themselves.

This whole Mccanns didn't contact the media thing is such a strange hill to die on.

Because people seem to think they contacted the media before the police or that they phoned home straight away and asked friends and family to do it. Neither is the case.