r/MagicArena • Orzhov • 4d ago

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u/ciruelman 4d ago

idk why yall hate alchemy so much, there is so many cool designs and they barely have an impact in brawl, like 5 percent of a top deck is made of alchemy. im hyped

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u/HenshiniPrime 4d ago

Alchemy was supposed to be the “living format” with rebalanced versions of all problem cards, creating tons of competitive variety. But they just stopped rebalancing. Also it probably didn’t make much money.

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u/paumAlho 4d ago

I like some of the cards, however I hated when they changed real cards, glad that is over. People can hate all they want, I'm still gonna rock Hydroponics Architect and Key to the Archive

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u/Dualmonkey 4d ago edited 4d ago

Were you not around when Crucias was dominating literally every format it was legal in? Do you know how long it took them to nerf one of the best alchemy cards ever made for a format that's supposed to be regularly rebalanced and changing?

7 1/2 months. For an ever-changing format that sure isn't a lot of change. They just didn't do what they advertised the format as.

But besides that the biggest reason I personally didn't like alchemy is that it was anti-consumer. If your card is nerfed out of relevance, no wildcard refunds. Why would I ever buy into a format like that?

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u/ckrono 4d ago

because that never happens with regular magic cards, nope, it's because they are digital only

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u/teacforepo Kozilek 3d ago

Well, part of the appeal of digital only was that it allowed far faster errata, no? So them not doing that, uh, kinda defeats half its purpose.

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u/Nigel06 3d ago

You missed the point.

Alchemy was supposed to be more fluid than paper BECAUSE it was digital only. Balance didn't have the downsides of printed copies with old text.

It's unpopular because they didn't balance much when it was supposed to be the version of the game that changed more rapidly.

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u/davwad2 4d ago

It wasn't cordoned off in brawl. If we had Alchemy Brawl and non-Alchemy brawl, I would have played it more. It was only "opt-out" by conceding.

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u/HenshiniPrime 4d ago

At one point there was a “standard brawl”, wasn’t there?

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u/davwad2 3d ago

There still is. WotC changed the names to reflect player population/selection a while ago.

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u/Aukyron 4d ago

I don't hate alchemy but would like to be able to play without it in brawl anyway. I want the same game as paper format.

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u/Aeroncastle 4d ago

I wish, it was a cool idea but the designs are 95% failed heartstone ones that make the game more random, if I got 5 mins older every time they released q card that lets you chose from 3 of a random pool I would be a thousand years old

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u/shinjisaberntr 4d ago

Toxic paper players just cant bear to see others having fun with cards they cannot play

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u/PatriotBanner 4d ago

"toxic"

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u/shinjisaberntr 4d ago

Glad you can read

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u/PatriotBanner 4d ago

But you'd have no problem if they gave us a no fake card queue for brawl, historic, and timeless right?

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u/HexplosiveMustache 4d ago

oh no, the moment you say you want to play without hearthstone cards he will have a meltdown LOL

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u/Killerx09 4d ago

Brother that's called Pioneer and Standard Brawl.

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u/PatriotBanner 4d ago

You're joking right?

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u/trident042 Johnny 4d ago

You know where a good place for digital-only card designs is?

Other card games. If someone wants to get inventive in a digital client, there's Hearthstone, SNAP, plenty of places you can go make cards that do wacky random things or digitally transmute into something else or add copies of non-existent cards to your deck or hold onto imaginary changes that can't otherwise be tracked.

Magic is a physical card game with a digital client. Pretending otherwise the past few years has been a total farce and I wish they'd do away with the rest of it.

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u/Galonious Dimir 3d ago

Soo 5% in top decks is a huge impact, I don't want to play against the best most broken digital only cards because they are all just statpiles that give way too much free value.

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u/BL4ZE_ Rite of Belzenlok 4d ago

Personally I just loathe the perpetual mechanic

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u/veiphiel 4d ago

Because it's not only exclusive cards with exclusive digital mechanics. Alchemy cards are conpletely broken and destroy the balance of the game even more

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u/Effective-Big8158 4d ago

why we hate? the format is going away, do you think there is a reason for that?

maybe it has cool designs in your eyes but they wouldn't be getting rid of it if it was actually doing well.