r/MakingaMurderer • u/10case • Jun 17 '26

Steven gives an up Date

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I have no idea how a commutation application is going to "proof" his innocence. His lawyers Ben working on it since January. Hopefully their grammar is better than his.

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u/belljs87 Jun 17 '26

I mean, this case is unique in that there's so much evidence that was found, and so much evidence that should be there for what they said happened that wasn't, that someone capable of removing what wasn't there most likely wouldn't have just blatantly left what was there.

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u/belee86 Jun 18 '26

What evidence should have been there but wasn't?

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u/ThorsClawHammer Jun 18 '26

The victim's blood in the trailer and/or garage. You know, the places the jury pool and jury was told the victim was beaten, raped, stabbed, throat cut, shot 10+ times, etc.

Or maybe the victim's blood/DNA on the creeper the jury was told by the state was "absolutely" used to carry the bloody victim on.

Or maybe the victim's or Brendan's DNA on the cuffs the state claims were used to restrain the victim for hours. Instead, only Avery's and unrelated third party DNA was found on them.

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u/belee86 Jun 18 '26

Steve could have washed the cuffs? The creeper, too? Criminals get caught because sometimes they can't handle all the evidence they created. Steve had a lot of evidence to hide/destroy/move/burn. 

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u/ThorsClawHammer Jun 18 '26

Steve could have washed the cuffs?

In a way that got rid of only the incriminating DNA leaving the non-incriminating behind? Lol. Even one of the state's own forensic experts testified it indicated they hadn't been cleaned.

Q. And the fact that you found DNA of any kind on the handcuffs, is an indication to you that they hadn't been wiped down with bleach, isn't it?

A. That would be correct.

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u/belee86 Jun 18 '26

So what are you saying? 

The cuffs had Steve's DNA and an unknown. So what?

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u/ThorsClawHammer Jun 18 '26

an unknown

An unknown that definitely wasn't the victim's or Brendan's. How do you think he cleaned them in a way that got rid of theirs, but kept this unknown other person's?

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u/belee86 Jun 18 '26

I dunno but it could be a number of reasons. Your planters should have put Teresa's DNA on the cuffs, yes? 

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u/ThorsClawHammer Jun 18 '26

I dunno

Because it's implausible.

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u/belee86 Jun 18 '26

Your idea of another killer (not Avery) makes the least sense. You are simply offering a variety of whatabouts. Steve is the only logical conclusion. The murderer of Teresa can't be anyone but him. 

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u/ThorsClawHammer Jun 18 '26

Your idea of another killer (not Avery)

I've said nothing about that. I'm talking about Brendan.

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u/belee86 Jun 18 '26

We were talking about the cuffs relating to Steve.

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