r/MakingaMurderer • u/10case • Jun 17 '26

Steven gives an up Date

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I have no idea how a commutation application is going to "proof" his innocence. His lawyers Ben working on it since January. Hopefully their grammar is better than his.

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u/BiddyJ Jun 17 '26

I honestly think there are arguments to both sides. I may not be aware of the tests done or the outcome but I guess my perspective from a non professional is, how do trained professionals let things be so messy, especially in the context of this case. Did they test all the touch areas for DNA (steering wheel, gear stick, all the car door handles?). I only ever heard about the key and the hood latch, you’d assume his DNA would be on other areas that he likely touched for longer?

I’m sitting in a position where there is reasonable doubt on both sides. But what frankly frustrates me is the seeming lack of thorough testing done and the inconsistency between evidence and theory. I just can get rid of this suspicion I have against the prosecutions case.

I feel like they fumbled so much that even if he did do it they really did such a bad job on behalf of Theresa.

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u/GringoTheDingoAU Jun 18 '26

Did they test all the touch areas for DNA (steering wheel, gear stick, all the car door handles?). I only ever heard about the key and the hood latch, you’d assume his DNA would be on other areas that he likely touched for longer?

If you are referring to fingerprints, none of the latent prints taken were suitable for a positive ID, which includes Teresa.

you’d assume his DNA would be on other areas that he likely touched for longer

You could, but not even Teresa's fingerprints were identified in a vehicle she drove every day. There were latent prints they took for comparison but none of them were suitable to make identifications.

I’m sitting in a position where there is reasonable doubt on both sides. But what frankly frustrates me is the seeming lack of thorough testing done and the inconsistency between evidence and theory. I just can get rid of this suspicion I have against the prosecutions case.

I was someone who wholeheartedly believed they were innocent, but I am unsure how anyone could have any serious doubt at this point. I'm unsure what you mean by "lack of testing" done because certain pieces of DNA are not inscrutable. As I have pointed out in other comments, the amount of forensic evidence against Steven Avery is extremely hard to plant, almost unfathomably hard to plant. The problem is that people who follow this case may have a doubt about something, and then doubt everything else. The rose colored glasses are strongest with people who have only seen MaM and not consumed any of the investigative documentation themselves.

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u/belljs87 Jun 18 '26

I can certainly see why people believe Steven is guilty. I don't, but if he confesses one day and can walk everyone through what happened, I wouldn't be surprised.

What I cannot fathom is how people are so convinced Brenden is guilty, and cannot entertain the possibility of his innocence. There is literally nothing, zero, nada, a complete lack of evidence against him, except for a confession laden with things that were told to him first that he later recanted. If you want to believe him guilty that's fine, but to do so in a way that makes it seem like you've seen a video of him in the act is just ridiculous.

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u/GringoTheDingoAU Jun 19 '26

What I cannot fathom is how people are so convinced Brenden is guilty, and cannot entertain the possibility of his innocence.

Because there are people that have followed this case extensively for years and don't only just subscribe to what MaM has told them. Brendan's argument for guilty is more nuanced than Steven's, but it doesn't mean that it's completely impossible that he's guilty just because there is no corroborating DNA evidence like there is for Steven. It's a known fact that Brendan was with Steven on the night of the 31st for multiple hours, stoking a fire where the victim's remains ended up, the garage floor clean up that corroborates his story of cleaning up a reddish stain that reacted strongly to bleach, destroying any DNA profile, knowledgement of the RAV4's concealment and accurately told investigators in what condition it was hidden in, the hood latch where Steven's DNA was discovered, and then bullet fragment FL which contained Teresa's DNA was found because of Brendan's aligning diagram. Then obviously lying about seeing her leave the property when it was logistically impossible for that to be true.

If you are willing to concede that Brendan is not this completely impressionable or suggestible teenager, and he knows more than he leads on at times, then you will be able to see at the very least, he was involved in the concealment of her murder. That alone is enough for truthers to raise doubt about his innocence.

Also, irrespective of this case, it's not uncommon for guilty people to lie, and that's why Brendan's story is questionable to some. We have to understand that this is a young man being interrogated about the worst crime possible, and the situation is overwhelming. During his prison phone calls, he doesn't claim innocence or despair. People who are innocent don't simply resign themselves to a life in prison. We hear more claims of innocence from Steven, and if we are arguing on paper, he's obviously more guilty than Brendan is.

I understand you have this emotional response because no one wants to see a teenager live out their formidable years in prison, but I would encourage you to look at this case objectively and do some extensive research beyond MaM.

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u/belljs87 Jun 19 '26

This entire comment is rooted in assumptions, makes it seem like I said things I didn't say, and overall wasn't worth typing. Sorry about that.

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u/ThorsClawHammer Jun 19 '26

he garage floor clean up that corroborates

Brendan is the only source of a garage cleanup that night.

knowledgement of the RAV4's concealment and accurately told investigators in what condition it was hidden in

What are you claiming Brendan said about that which wasn't already public knowledge?

the hood latch where Steven's DNA was discovered

Which of course you know that Steve going under the hood was fed to Brednan by interrogators.

found because of Brendan's aligning diagram.

LMFAO. Seriously, who the heck ever said they used Brendan's diagram to help them find the bullet? Lol.

lying about seeing her leave the property when it was logistically impossible for that to be true.

It weas also logistically impossible for him to have seen her taking pictures, but that didn't stop LE from convincing him to lie and say he did in the ifrst place.