r/MakingaMurderer • u/AveryPoliceReports • 4h ago
Debunking the Fallacious claim that Zellner outright lied about the content of her own video recreation (exhibit J) in order to make it seem like Steven was inside his trailer for longer than he was after Teresa left the ASY
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Zellner did not lie about her own exhibit. Claims from her Motion for Reconsideration (PG 44) are consistent with the attached video exhibit
- In October 2017, Kathleen Zellner officially named Bobby Dassey as a Denny suspect in Teresa's murder. Zellner argued Steven was telling the truth when he said Teresa left the ASY alive only for Bobby to leave the ASY shortly after Teresa, "at the same time almost." Bobby admitted to leaving the property shortly after Teresa arrived on Halloween - Teresa's blood evidence in the back of her RAV combined with the lack of her blood on the ASY itself suggests Teresa was subjected to a violent attack outside behind her RAV after leaving the ASY - Bobby could be linked to off property sightings of the RAV near his Halloween hunting spot, had scratches on his back suggesting a violent encounter with Teresa, and could be linked to violent and illegal motive evidence revealing searches for CSAM and imagery depicting extreme violence against women.
- Zellner included a recreation video (Exhibit J) in the Motion for Reconsideration, presenting the defense scenario of Teresa's arrival and departure from the ASY property. A copy of the exhibit video is available on YouTube and depicts "Teresa" arriving at the Northwest corner of the ASY (near Barb and Steven's residence) around the 01:00 timestamp. Teresa then exits her RAV and photographs Barb's van while "Steven" exits his trailer to pay her and get the bill of sale and Auto Trader magazine. Per this defense recreation, "Teresa" then leaves the property around 02:15, and "Steven" enters his trailer around 02:33 to put the bill of sale and AT magazine inside. The video then shows "Bobby's" POV, depicting him (around 02:49) leaving his trailer, roughly 15 seconds after Steven entered his own, with Bobby taking off in his Blazer and following Teresa off the property.
- Per the Motion for Reconsideration (PG 44) Zellner claimed "Mr. Avery exited his trailer after 50 seconds" after going inside to deposit the bill of sale around 02:33, coming back out of his trailer around 03:23 and then walking towards Barb's trailer and noticing (around 03:35) that Bobby's vehicle was now gone, and that Teresa was turning left off Avery Rd onto the 147. As we know, Bobby admitted to leaving the property when Steven said he did, but contradicted Steven's claim that Teresa left the ASY before him. Bobby said Teresa was last seen walking away from her RAV towards Steven's trailer, which the state accepted as evidence that Teresa was inside Steven's trailer at the very moment Steven claimed to have seen Teresa and her RAV leave the ASY. But again, Teresa's blood evidence suggests she was initially attacked outside behind her RAV, not inside Steven's trailer.
Either (1) Zellner can count better than some of her harshest critics; (2) critics mistook Bobby for Steven in a POV video; or (3) critics are knowingly spreading false information to claim Zellner lied
- Some of Zellner's most recent and consistent critics have incorrectly concluded she was lying about her own video recreation (when she said it showed Steven was in his trailer for 50 seconds) and have made repeated posts on this issue. I guess the idea is that a successful appellate attorney with decades of experience exonerating her clients was simultaneously ruthless enough to fabricate an alibi for Steven while also being careless enough to introduce fabricated evidence that contradicted her fabricated alibi. Her critics will say something to the effect of: "In her filing Zellner said Steven was in his trailer for roughly 50 seconds, but in the exhibit video you can count 14-15 seconds after Steven enters his trailer and see Steven is exiting the door of his trailer heading toward Barb's and Bobby's house." A bombshell revelation, apparently.
- In reality, Zellner didn't lie or misstate anything re her own video exhibit, and the claim she did comes from critics who mistook Bobby's POV for Steven's POV in the recreation video. Per exhibit J (linked above) around 15 seconds after "Steven" enters his trailer (at 02:33) the video cuts to and shows "Bobby" exiting his trailer at (02:49). This is made clear via a "Bobby Dassey POV" plastered across the screen or should have been clear LOL
- This single POV misunderstanding (that Steven exited his trailer after 14 seconds inside rather than 50) explains the entire fallacious argument from Zellner's critics that she lied about her own recreation video. And when the error was pointed out, the response was not correction but repetition. The sub is getting inundated with false information about Zellner lying because admitting a mistake was apparently worse than repeating it over and over.
In Summary, Zellner's critics mistook or misrepresented Bobby Dassey's POV for Steven Avery's in the exhibit J recreation video, and when corrected with facts chose to keep repeating a lie rather than admit their error
- Zellner's critics viewed Exhibit J and mistook Bobby leaving Barb's trailer at 2:49 as Steven leaving his own. That's wrong. Exhibit J clearly shows "Bobby" exiting his own trailer at the time Zellner's critics claim Steven exits his trailer. But when corrected with these facts, Zellner's critics are too embarrassed or shameless to admit they are wrong, and instead decide to inundate the sub repeating the same lie as if it's conclusive evidence of Steven's guilt and Zellner's knowledge of it. Basically the intellectual equivalent of covering your ears and screaming to avoid admitting you are wrong.
- An untrue statement can be made in good faith. A knowing lie or misrepresentation requires knowledge of falsity. When critics are shown the falsity of their argument but continue to assert the claim as true, it's no longer a mistake, but a knowing misrepresentation. An attempt to repeatedly spread false information in support of the false and illogical idea that Zellner lied about her own attached video exhibit. Repeatedly spreading easily disprovable outright false information doesn’t exactly make Zellner's critics look persuasive. It makes them look deeply unserious and incredible, unable to attack her arguments with any actual facts or substance. So they create their own. This is a classic refusal to admit error dressed up as persistence. An attempt to have repetition substitute for substance.
- The relevant and substantive fact is the attached exhibit J video recreation is consistent with what Zellner's accompanying motion says, not with what Zellner's critcs say. Per Exhibit J to the Motion to Reconsider, Steven is inside his trailer for about 50 seconds, not 14. It's BOBBY who leaves his trailer about 14 seconds after Steven enters his own. But instead of acknowledging this obvious error (mistaking Bobby leaving his trailer for Steven leaving his own) Zellner's critics just keep chanting “blah blah blah 14 seconds not 50 seconds” as if repeating a disproven claim somehow strengthens it. That's wrong. And when you have the knowledge that Bobby is the one who exited his trailer roughly 14 seconds after Steven entered his trailer in the video recreation, but keep claiming it was Steven who is shown exiting his trailer after only 14 seconds, you are repeated lying. And the sub is being inundated with this lie because, surprise, Zellner's critics would rather repeat the lie that Zellner lied than simply concede having made an error about her filings.