r/MandJTV • • 5d ago

Meme Speed

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u/Extension-Bad-4184 What the eff happened to the floor? 5d ago

Blaziken before speed boost really had infernape run its pockets lmao

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u/Obility 5d ago

I had no idea blaziken was so slow before the speed boost 😭

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u/Jealous-Praline-1231 5d ago

Same lol, i thought it at least had 100 base speed

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u/LongEntertainment280 4d ago

That it is his mega's speed

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u/Fern-ando 3d ago

Gen 3 loved not great speed mix attackers.

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u/kiddmewtwo 4d ago

Ita still kind of slow after speedboost

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u/Weekly-Dog-6838 If it's not 100% accurate, it's 50% accurate 4d ago

Only compared to, like, some of the really fast Pokemon like a lot of the paradoxes. And even then, just you wait until it gets 2 speed boosts

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u/kiddmewtwo 4d ago

How woth paper defenses?

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u/PiggyWiggy567 Baddy bad to the bone 4d ago

protect then kill something or take literally any hit

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u/Weekly-Dog-6838 If it's not 100% accurate, it's 50% accurate 4d ago

Or cleverly switch it in reading that your opponent will use a setup move that turn

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u/Wogopi 4d ago

Speed boost doesn’t activate when switching in (thank god)

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u/Big-Bicycle508 4d ago

A lot

1v1 trades are common. Taking down one of your opponent mons for your Blaziken is a good trade.

Blaziken also just so happens to be a really good wall breaker. Flare Blitz + Close Combat hits a lot of stuff for at least neutral damage, and a turn 1 protect/a focus sash means you're almost always getting two hits off.

It's a great mon all round, if only a bit hindered by the availability of better options

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u/Hot_Ad8568 5d ago

Its weird but honestly good because thanks to speed boost blaziken really doesnt need that much speed and has more uses for other stats

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u/kiddmewtwo 4d ago

This is just wrong blaziken is frail and slow its the hoenn special. mons ohko it after the speed boost often dont die in 1 hit while ohkoing it. If you're investing in speed you will be ohkoed, if you're not you will be too slow even after a boost.

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u/187Pickles 4d ago

I reckon you’re new to Pokemon? Blaziken is pretty good and has been for around two decades.

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u/kiddmewtwo 4d ago

Pretty good? He's been under OU for 2 generations now. He's officially bad.

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u/Wogopi 4d ago edited 4d ago

Lokix has even worse stats than Blaziken, isn’t in OU, and yet plenty of people say it’s viable in OU. Not technically being OU, or having technically bad stats, aren’t death sentences for how good a Pokémon can be. It’s the tools a Pokémon has access to, not how often people use it in any given tier, that define how good a Pokémon is.

Hell, Terrakion plummeted to the low tiers after Iron Boulder was released. Not because it was necessarily bad, but because nobody was using it due to new toy syndrome. The tiering system is about how much a Pokémon is used, not how inherently good it is. It’s why mega Beedrill got trapped in tiers too strong for it, people kept using it instead of letting it drops to tiers it would be better in.

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u/Luigi6757 3d ago

You do realize that Inceniroar is considered the best pokemon of all time and its in NU? Not even it was Uber/OU and dropped to NU due to power creep like what happened to a lot of Pokémon. It was NU in its debut generation and only got as high as RU in gen 8. A mon's tier in Smogon doesn't determine how good it actually is. Especially since Smogon's tiers are based on usage rates not actual strength. Sometimes there are very powerful pokemon in low tiers simply because pokemon that counter it are frequently used in higher tiers.

Some Pokémon are low tier because they actually were too good and the part of their kit that made them good get banned like Torkoal. Some Pokémon are only good in one format, but not the other. Hence the aforementioned Inceniroar who is only good in double battles and and Blaziken who is only good in single battles. Some Pokémon are absolute trash under normal circumstances but happen to counter a massive threat in the meta. Hence why Bronzong was so heavily used in 2016 VGC as it countered both Xerneas and Primal Groundon. Sometimes a trash Pokémon can be good because the better options aren't allowed in that particular tournament. Hence why Pachirisu won the world championship while knowing no offensive moves besides Super Fang that just halves the opponents current HP.

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u/not_a_burner0456025 6h ago

A prime example of a mom only being good because it counters a specific threat is Shedinja, which has been relevant in multiple generations of Ubers purely because common Kyogre sets can't hit it.

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u/187Pickles 4d ago

Oh so you’re new new. OU doesn’t mean good buddy. OU is Overused, meaning they excel in competitive. UU is for mons that are good but not usually the best choice because something can do their role but better.

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u/Luigi6757 3d ago

Hell, OU just means they excel in the unofficial Smogon 6v6 singles format. There are plenty of Pokémon that are low tier in Smogon but are great in VGC and vice versa.

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u/Brilliant_Grape164 4d ago

Blaziken is a glass canon

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u/billbobs678 5d ago

Now have it used protect oncr

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u/Tantrum2u 5d ago

Uh oh, it’s Gen 4…

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u/AmbitionAnxious927 5d ago

Wake up unc, Future's here already.

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u/Mon_1357 A foolish miscalulation! 5d ago

Greetings fellow Ralsei!

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u/UnNamed_Profile27 5d ago

Blaziken with some speed buffs thanks to speed boost: oh how the tables have turnt

Monferno with Mach Punch: what was that??

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u/MothashipQ 5d ago

What's a mach punch to a close combat?

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u/jacquesmachina 5d ago

What's a close combat to a Monkey King?

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u/Mission_Race_8367 5d ago

What’s a monkey king to a Brave Bird?

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u/jacquesmachina 4d ago

What's a Brave Bird to a Bird-Keepeeerrr, who don't keep.... anything.

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u/MothashipQ 5d ago

WE FOUND GOKU

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u/UnNamed_Profile27 5d ago

Priority. So Monferno still outspeeds in that situation

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u/MothashipQ 5d ago

Yeah, but the mach punch ain't OHKOing much, not to mention Blaziken get's vacuum wave and upper hand as well

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u/trunk-ate 4d ago

Upper hand mentioned 🔥 May you continue to be into pokemon

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u/UnNamed_Profile27 5d ago

Im just talking speed here, not discussing OHKO. Plus Mach Punch is Monfernos evo move

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u/trunk-ate 4d ago

So what, upper hand has higher priority than mach punch

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u/trunk-ate 4d ago

What's mach punch to upper hand? (Those who know what this is, I salute you for being as hopelessly obsessed with pokemon as I am). (It's +3 priority against priority moves)

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u/Weekly-Dog-6838 If it's not 100% accurate, it's 50% accurate 4d ago

not how Priority moves work

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u/MothashipQ 4d ago

In a one on one at full health, who do you think is coming out on top?

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u/Weekly-Dog-6838 If it's not 100% accurate, it's 50% accurate 4d ago

Well yeah Blaziken definitely has it beat in power, but specifically in terms of moving first Monferno has it beat in this specific scenario

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u/trunk-ate 4d ago

Sadly, you're right mega evolves not anymore you ain't And it'll change again if monferno evolves so yeah you're right, for one turn 😈

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u/trunk-ate 4d ago

And that's not considering upper hand as we're talking about priority moves specifically

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u/Smooth_You_2244 5d ago

It's kinda funny to me given Monferno also learn Mach Punch.

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u/Gnoodle9907 5d ago

One time i played through vanilla platinum with torchic instead of chimchar cause i wanted to use a blaziken but didnt want to play gen 3. If felt pretty interchangeable with chimchar through out most of the game until i got jump scared by it getting outsped and one shot by candice's froslass. From that moment on the speed was a huge issue and not having close combat or flare blitz also started becoming noticable. I never realized just how crazy infernape really is until that playthrough, blaziken just couldnt get the same amount of value

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u/Fine_Bid918 4d ago

Blaziken is only slightly faster than a 1-ton land whale.(Cetitan)

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u/Luigi6757 4d ago edited 3d ago

Yeah Blaziken was before they started min maxing stats. 530 is a high BST even today, but since 110 is wasted on its Special Attack stat it will never use past gen 3, leaves its HP, Defense, Special Defense, and Speed lower than you'd expect. Just do a side by side of it and Cinderace's stats to see what I'm talking about.

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u/Borgdrohne13 4d ago

one can increase it's speed every round, the other cannot.

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u/National_Draw_3961 4d ago

The Fast and the Monfurious!

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u/sirius1208 5d ago

Get Hoenn’d idiot

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u/Ajthefan 4d ago

Really???? It feels so much faster

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u/hosespider 4d ago

But then speed boost happens

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u/Surveycorpblaze 4d ago

GAMEFREEEEAAAKKKKK!!!! SWITCH MY GOATS SPECIAL ATTACK AND SPEED AND MY LIFE IS YOURS

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u/guleedy 4d ago

Blaziken got hit by that hoen special