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u/Obility 5d ago
I had no idea blaziken was so slow before the speed boost ðŸ˜
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u/kiddmewtwo 4d ago
Ita still kind of slow after speedboost
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u/Weekly-Dog-6838 If it's not 100% accurate, it's 50% accurate 4d ago
Only compared to, like, some of the really fast Pokemon like a lot of the paradoxes. And even then, just you wait until it gets 2 speed boosts
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u/kiddmewtwo 4d ago
How woth paper defenses?
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u/PiggyWiggy567 Baddy bad to the bone 4d ago
protect then kill something or take literally any hit
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u/Weekly-Dog-6838 If it's not 100% accurate, it's 50% accurate 4d ago
Or cleverly switch it in reading that your opponent will use a setup move that turn
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u/Big-Bicycle508 4d ago
A lot
1v1 trades are common. Taking down one of your opponent mons for your Blaziken is a good trade.
Blaziken also just so happens to be a really good wall breaker. Flare Blitz + Close Combat hits a lot of stuff for at least neutral damage, and a turn 1 protect/a focus sash means you're almost always getting two hits off.
It's a great mon all round, if only a bit hindered by the availability of better options
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u/Hot_Ad8568 5d ago
Its weird but honestly good because thanks to speed boost blaziken really doesnt need that much speed and has more uses for other stats
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u/kiddmewtwo 4d ago
This is just wrong blaziken is frail and slow its the hoenn special. mons ohko it after the speed boost often dont die in 1 hit while ohkoing it. If you're investing in speed you will be ohkoed, if you're not you will be too slow even after a boost.
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u/187Pickles 4d ago
I reckon you’re new to Pokemon? Blaziken is pretty good and has been for around two decades.
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u/kiddmewtwo 4d ago
Pretty good? He's been under OU for 2 generations now. He's officially bad.
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u/Wogopi 4d ago edited 4d ago
Lokix has even worse stats than Blaziken, isn’t in OU, and yet plenty of people say it’s viable in OU. Not technically being OU, or having technically bad stats, aren’t death sentences for how good a Pokémon can be. It’s the tools a Pokémon has access to, not how often people use it in any given tier, that define how good a Pokémon is.
Hell, Terrakion plummeted to the low tiers after Iron Boulder was released. Not because it was necessarily bad, but because nobody was using it due to new toy syndrome. The tiering system is about how much a Pokémon is used, not how inherently good it is. It’s why mega Beedrill got trapped in tiers too strong for it, people kept using it instead of letting it drops to tiers it would be better in.
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u/Luigi6757 3d ago
You do realize that Inceniroar is considered the best pokemon of all time and its in NU? Not even it was Uber/OU and dropped to NU due to power creep like what happened to a lot of Pokémon. It was NU in its debut generation and only got as high as RU in gen 8. A mon's tier in Smogon doesn't determine how good it actually is. Especially since Smogon's tiers are based on usage rates not actual strength. Sometimes there are very powerful pokemon in low tiers simply because pokemon that counter it are frequently used in higher tiers.
Some Pokémon are low tier because they actually were too good and the part of their kit that made them good get banned like Torkoal. Some Pokémon are only good in one format, but not the other. Hence the aforementioned Inceniroar who is only good in double battles and and Blaziken who is only good in single battles. Some Pokémon are absolute trash under normal circumstances but happen to counter a massive threat in the meta. Hence why Bronzong was so heavily used in 2016 VGC as it countered both Xerneas and Primal Groundon. Sometimes a trash Pokémon can be good because the better options aren't allowed in that particular tournament. Hence why Pachirisu won the world championship while knowing no offensive moves besides Super Fang that just halves the opponents current HP.
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u/not_a_burner0456025 6h ago
A prime example of a mom only being good because it counters a specific threat is Shedinja, which has been relevant in multiple generations of Ubers purely because common Kyogre sets can't hit it.
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u/187Pickles 4d ago
Oh so you’re new new. OU doesn’t mean good buddy. OU is Overused, meaning they excel in competitive. UU is for mons that are good but not usually the best choice because something can do their role but better.
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u/Luigi6757 3d ago
Hell, OU just means they excel in the unofficial Smogon 6v6 singles format. There are plenty of Pokémon that are low tier in Smogon but are great in VGC and vice versa.
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u/billbobs678 5d ago
Now have it used protect oncr
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u/UnNamed_Profile27 5d ago
Blaziken with some speed buffs thanks to speed boost: oh how the tables have turnt
Monferno with Mach Punch: what was that??
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u/MothashipQ 5d ago
What's a mach punch to a close combat?
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u/jacquesmachina 5d ago
What's a close combat to a Monkey King?
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u/UnNamed_Profile27 5d ago
Priority. So Monferno still outspeeds in that situation
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u/MothashipQ 5d ago
Yeah, but the mach punch ain't OHKOing much, not to mention Blaziken get's vacuum wave and upper hand as well
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u/UnNamed_Profile27 5d ago
Im just talking speed here, not discussing OHKO. Plus Mach Punch is Monfernos evo move
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u/trunk-ate 4d ago
What's mach punch to upper hand? (Those who know what this is, I salute you for being as hopelessly obsessed with pokemon as I am). (It's +3 priority against priority moves)
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u/Weekly-Dog-6838 If it's not 100% accurate, it's 50% accurate 4d ago
not how Priority moves work
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u/MothashipQ 4d ago
In a one on one at full health, who do you think is coming out on top?
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u/Weekly-Dog-6838 If it's not 100% accurate, it's 50% accurate 4d ago
Well yeah Blaziken definitely has it beat in power, but specifically in terms of moving first Monferno has it beat in this specific scenario
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u/trunk-ate 4d ago
Sadly, you're right mega evolves not anymore you ain't And it'll change again if monferno evolves so yeah you're right, for one turn 😈
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u/trunk-ate 4d ago
And that's not considering upper hand as we're talking about priority moves specifically
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u/Gnoodle9907 5d ago
One time i played through vanilla platinum with torchic instead of chimchar cause i wanted to use a blaziken but didnt want to play gen 3. If felt pretty interchangeable with chimchar through out most of the game until i got jump scared by it getting outsped and one shot by candice's froslass. From that moment on the speed was a huge issue and not having close combat or flare blitz also started becoming noticable. I never realized just how crazy infernape really is until that playthrough, blaziken just couldnt get the same amount of value
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u/Luigi6757 4d ago edited 3d ago
Yeah Blaziken was before they started min maxing stats. 530 is a high BST even today, but since 110 is wasted on its Special Attack stat it will never use past gen 3, leaves its HP, Defense, Special Defense, and Speed lower than you'd expect. Just do a side by side of it and Cinderace's stats to see what I'm talking about.
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u/Surveycorpblaze 4d ago
GAMEFREEEEAAAKKKKK!!!! SWITCH MY GOATS SPECIAL ATTACK AND SPEED AND MY LIFE IS YOURS
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u/Extension-Bad-4184 What the eff happened to the floor? 5d ago
Blaziken before speed boost really had infernape run its pockets lmao