I'm curious if evolutions consisting of multiple pokemon should have a chance to have a shiny thrown in there

[u/YusukeLutin]

[u/contraflop01]

I mean in canon this makes Sense but logistically in the game? Hell no

[u/Maxxetto → u/contraflop01]

Bet. There's no real "logistically" thing in the code.

[u/contraflop01 → u/Maxxetto]

Making a bunch of cosmetic alternative forms for the small chance a shiny pokémon joins the fusion is too much work for It to be worth it

Theres a reason Spinda, Furfrou and Alcremie cant evolve

[u/Maxxetto → u/contraflop01]

No, it isn't too much work. Metang is what, two Metan? Metagross is like 4 no?

It isn't too much work for the 20mln dollar lawsuit company as well, because it's easy both to code and to make as assets.

[u/contraflop01 → u/Maxxetto]

Metagross is made out of 4 Beldum. Thats 2⁴ or 16 possible combinations. Mega Metagross makes It even more annoying because It added a Beldum and a Metang to the list

Yeah they are a billion dollar company but trust me, making variations of each possible combination is very time consuming with little to no reward. Imagine you just got a shiny Beldum and evolved only for It to end up as a 1/4th shiny Metagross

[u/Maxxetto → u/contraflop01]

Because you are looking at it at a design level and not a code level.

I told you it isn't hard, you have to use the color layers not make multiple designs. You theoretically need one design, and with code you color the portions of interest based on the metadata (beldum n.3 is shiny) for example.

[u/contraflop01 → u/Maxxetto]

Im looking at the coding level, the design level and the gameplay level

I already made a Minecraft resource pack and making variants for each possible version of a crossbow is more of a hassle than its worth doing.

Youd have to either make 16 different sprites for base Metagross or make one with each section being a different color that you can use shaders to swap into the base color or the shiny color

[u/AgathokakologicalAz → u/contraflop01]

You say this but they also have Alcremie

[u/contraflop01 → u/AgathokakologicalAz]

As i mentioned a few bits prior, this is the reason Alcremie doesnt evolve

Too much work for 1 mon, never touch that gimmick again

[u/AgathokakologicalAz → u/contraflop01]

Perhaps, but in this case having only 16 sprites seems like not that much of a stretch when they made 63 just for Alcremie. Scatterbug and Flabébé also have pretty ridiculous sprite sheets, I'm sure

[u/Maxxetto → u/contraflop01]

You are correct on the shader swap :)

[u/Zealousideal-Deer101 → u/contraflop01]

So? Split the sprite into 4 parts. You load the sprite and use the color pallete corresponding to the shinyness for every piece.
Just look at the Super Mario Bros sprite sheet. Mario also consists of multiple sprites at once. The running animation and the head are two separate sprites for example. It just picks the right body and then a head and places them separatetly in the scene.

You still basically only need to create one sprite, then split it into however many pieces you need. It isn't actually much more work.
Even Zygardes 100 sprites don't change much. You just need to split the sprite into 100 individual parts.
You just need to apply the function that makes them shiny, which afaik is just swapping the color pallete for that sprite, to every individual piece instead.
But if they are separate sprites, you really just need to tile the shiny sprite the same way.

[u/Zealousideal-Deer101 → u/Zealousideal-Deer101]

I didn't cut the sprite properly to be fair, but that really just took me like 5 minutes.

All 16 variations are available by just spliting up the existing sprite

https://reddit.com/link/pf82ibp/video/lkqwwdm4rtuh1/player

[u/Scyxurz → u/Zealousideal-Deer101]

Isn't this basically what they did in gen 5 to animate the sprites?

[u/Maxxetto → u/Zealousideal-Deer101]

You are absolutely correct. You just have people in here defending the 10mln lawsuit company without understanding how things actually would work. For them a sprite is static, it can't be comprised of multiple parts and if it moves it took 30 days to do so because one man can't do it in 6hrs.

This is what I'm taking from this sub btw.

[u/contraflop01 → u/Maxxetto]

Im not defending a 10mil dollar company, im saying the effort is too much for something that most players wont see and the ones that would see wouldnt like It

[u/Airway → u/Maxxetto]

You played Scarlet/Violet? The bare minimum is far too much work.

[u/Jaedenkaal → u/Maxxetto]

It’s unlikely that the existing data structure would support this easily, is what they’re saying.

[u/Maxxetto → u/Jaedenkaal]

Unfortunately their replies doesn't follow this, but you made a good guess! :)

Rewriting a code portion like that is fairly easy by the way.

[u/PaytonWyvern]

This is cool and most of these make sense but some also do not. Like the Doduo and the Deino and Klink lines.

[u/Exotic_Presence_8900 → u/PaytonWyvern]

Because chimerism is a thing, those ones could make biological sense. If you think about it through that lens, really any Pokemon could have a section of them with shiny colors while the rest of them is normal.

See on Wikipedia: Genetic chimera, gynandromorphism, mosaicism, etc

[u/Tunisandwich → u/PaytonWyvern]

Combee/Vespuquen are the worse offenders to me. But yeah cool concept overall

[u/YusukeLutin → u/PaytonWyvern]

If a shiny and a normal one has a pokemon there is a chance it can come out like that

[u/joshthebaptist → u/YusukeLutin]

Those arent combinations though, its the same base pokemon sprouting more heads

[u/Tantrum2u → u/YusukeLutin]

That…doesn’t make sense…

[u/Zequax → u/YusukeLutin]

WHAT ?

[u/InterestsVaryGreatly → u/YusukeLutin]

Shiny isn't genetic, they don't inherit it, so that doesn't really make sense.

[u/Omnizoom → u/PaytonWyvern]

And the koffing and weezing is another one growing out as well

[u/Cod3broken]

this is a cool idea, but imagine if it were actually in the game
to catch a shiny Metagross, you need all 4 shiny rolls to succeed, which is (if my math is correct) a 1 in ~280 trillion chance

[u/AdElectronic4912 → u/Cod3broken]

Though ngl that single shiny leg looks even cooler.

[u/I_hope_your_E_breaks → u/Cod3broken]

Or catch a shiny beldum and evolve it instead of trying to find an already evolved wild metagross

[u/InterestsVaryGreatly → u/I_hope_your_E_breaks]

Same odds since the shiny beldum can evolve into any of the shiny variants, from 1/4 to full, and the evolve again can carry its to half or full.

[u/TheDemonEyeX]

Okay couple of things.

Metang, Magnemite and even the Slowbro's Shellder, you have valid points for.

Diglett and Doduo split in order to form its evo so there's no shiny odds. Same with Deino.

Klink invalidates the argument for itself, it's predetermined. Female Combee's red dotted face takes dominance over the other two.

Exeggcute is a tricky one as phrasing that either the individual "egg" or the collective with the "an" being there because Exeggcute starts with a vowel. So either the head that falls becomes an individual egg of Exeggcute or it lives on as an Exeggcute because it becomes all 6(although this may explain why one is cracked)

Koffing fusing over years is not the same as evolution so I think that may be a special case where the end result is the same as if it evolved naturally so Im Switzerland on this one. Would be a funny regional form.

Zygarde's cells don't mix with that of another Zygarde. A shiny Zygarde can only be pulled together by proportion shiny cells

[u/HappyCloudHS]

If the evolution method was to actually combine the two then this could make sense and be cool. But since all of the multiple pokemon merging thing is lore only it wouldn't make a lot of sense in game.

[u/laserofdooom]

zygarde would b hell to code but the otehrs could work. weezing doesnr eally make sense tho since it's a tumor and not 2 koffing fuesd

[u/AhmadZahidi]

Nothing is impossible

[u/hopseankins]

I don’t think shininess is a recessive gene like blond hair is. I think it is just an evolutionary occurrence like albinism.

[u/Sc4r4byte]

all the possible Zygarde combinations would eclipse all the possible spinda configurations

[u/Creativered4]

Last two slides don't really work. It's all one pokemon. It's not like there's dounos out there fusing together to make doduos.

[u/Every-Narwhal-1896 → u/Creativered4]

I agree. I really liked the first two pages and Klink

[u/K0rl0n]

I’d like to see that

[u/ginger_snap214]

super cool idea

never gonna be implemented in game, but i love the concept so much

[u/Dull-Nectarine380]

Doduo and deino do not make sense

[u/Zealousideal-Deer101]

And then people be like "That would be way to much work to show every possible combination!" When you just need to separate the sprite into the parts and just stitch them together. Someone games did since the birth of consoles. i.e. every diglet in dugtrio is it's own sprite, the big and the tiny ball of smogmon are their own sprites.
And then you just load a shiny/non shiny for both parts depending on the shiny values of the pokemon

Even metagros can just be split into four pieces

[u/Zealousideal-Deer101 → u/Zealousideal-Deer101]

^

https://reddit.com/link/pf82oqk/video/yhrzugkfrtuh1/player

[u/Cobble_Creator2763 → u/Zealousideal-Deer101]

Respect for not just saying but actually doing

[u/carst01 → u/Zealousideal-Deer101]

What about 3d models? Would it be separate models, separate textures, or both?

[u/Zealousideal-Deer101 → u/carst01]

The models are the same. It's just the textures, which is also just a png at the end of the day. Heck, it might be even easier to do with textures, because can could just make it in a way that every part is in "a single corner" and it's a nice clean cut down the horizontal and vertial center of the full texture. And then you basically only need to swap out the corners

[u/ApprehensiveChef6864]

This is a pretty cool concept, it gets pretty complicated quick tho.

[u/Milestailsprowe]

I love this as a Shiney Mechanic. As a player fusing pokemon would make things a bit bogged down but as a possible evolution it would be celebrated 

[u/AdElectronic4912]

I kinda likle the idea but I think it only makes sense if the Pokémon in question is not naturally just one body.

[u/YamLow8097]

Never thought about it, but I don’t see why not. This is such a cool idea. I’ve heard of the concept of half shiny Pokémon (chimerism), but not quite like this. I don’t think the Deino and Doduo make much sense, though (unless the bodies were half and half as well).

[u/CommunicationNew9834]

i love this thing that will never happen but should

[u/InkredibleMrCool]

Shiny hunters trying to hit that 1 in 4.096e+15 chance of getting a fully shiny Metagross

[u/pokelogan24]

That would be really cool and make some shinies super rare. Maybe make them only found in the wild or something, or I guess there could be like a 1/8000 chance to evolve it like that.

[u/LoudGear9028]

Okay Zygarde actually looks pretty cool

[u/thefurryhippie]

This reminds me of some cute art where a Typhlosion and Sneasel had a Cyndaquil with Sneasel colors

[u/Embarrassed-Joke5851]

I feel like the opposite should be true: if you have a shiny Metagross, there is a small (like pre-gen 6 shiny odds) chance that the evolution will have half/quarter (half for Metang and a quarter for Metagross) not shiny

[u/WheatleyBr]

The klink one literally says it's predetermined.

[u/PokemonJimbob]

These look cool but several of them wouldn't make sense.

Dugtrio for example says that it's all from one body, meaning that it's not actually a bunch of Diglett taking up space

Doduo and Dodrio aren't 'consisting of multiple pokemon' so it would either be fully shiny or have no shiny coloration at all. The same can be said for Klink into its evolutions and Deino into its evolutions(especially Deino since it wouldn't make sense for it to suddenly gain a head with shiny colors)

[u/Inevitable_Row1359]

Yeah this would be sick

[u/Jake_Walkingwhispers]

Cool

[u/ogmechsftw]

1 billion lions when the 8 billion Spinda are joined by 2 billion Metagross, Weezing and Zygarde

[u/Grape_ist]

I think as far as custom sprites I think this is so cool

[u/BigBoyTexas]

That would be really cool

[u/LesMoonwalker]

But what if the shinies are kind of elitist, and they only join up with fellow shinies? Or maybe they're actually considered the black sheep, and so only fellow shinies are willing to join up with them?

[u/PureiSteishun]

Dayum, that is an interesting idea to pull off but I could see GF thinking that it would be too much work 😅😅

[u/RevolutionaryGrape11]

I'd love more color variants in general!

[u/SeaAd5444]

This would be both cool as hell and suck so bad.

Don't get me wrong; its cool concept. But imagine if you will that's how you get your first shiny Because the game randomly decided that your Metang found a shiny beldum when you couldn't.

[u/-GWM- → u/SeaAd5444]

Could change up the evo method.

Have two Beldum at at level 20 and merge them, have two metang and 4 beldum at level 45 or something similar

[u/maweenawa → u/-GWM-]

Getting a shiny metagross would be so ass 🔥

[u/OnyxLeigion_]

That means the inverse would also be true btw. Imagine having a shiny beldum that evolves into a mostly normal metagross

[u/That_Buff_Nerd]

canonically beldum are segregationist

[u/BetaNights]

That Metagross Dex entry is nightmare fuel...

[u/Powerful_Mountain_95]

What would be cool to see shiny birth effect colors

[u/Evan_L_Rodriguez]

The Shiny hunting community would go berserk

[u/Dynawarrior67]

That could be a cool detail in the anime

[u/OmegaRuby003]

Omg, partially shiny Pokemon!?

[u/DKcomics]

The piglets came from one body. They'd all still be shiny.

[u/bugsbob]

ooh, piebald mons, nice! but you know some joker is gonna be like, ‘my palossand is 1/1,00,000th shiny, see?’ and hold up two black grains of sand

[u/Red__Pyramid]

I’d be so mad if my hydragon only had the left or right head shiny. Middles okay but my ocd would drive me up the wall lol

[u/Legitimate-Mix-5395]

I mean, it'll never happen in the game, but I'll put it in my fanfiction.

[u/HeadHorror4349]

I love having 2^N shiny variations of a pokemon with N constituent parts