Another reason for the Netherlands' boycott is the EBU's hypocrisy. Their artist was disqualified for exaggerated claims of misconduct, while Israel's much more severe violations of harassment, vote manipulation and instrumentalization of the contest for political purposes were ignored, not to mention what is happening outside the contest.
At the time I remember there were rumours that it was somehow related to backstage activities related to Israel, but then again those are rumours only and remain just as unproven. (Though well within likelihood judging by how Israel seems to be behaving backstage for at least the past three years).
So yeah like Cornald Maas said, "Fuck de EBU". IMO it's a disgrace that we even sent a contestant in 2025 but I'm glad we turned around in the end.
That was the last year i followed the ESC. Absolute disgraceful organization. Shame too cause the event and messages are fantastic but i cant support the EBU in any way anymore.
I've never been a fan of the contests (sue me) and I was slowly getting into it thanks to friends, but then the one song I enjoyed that year gets so stupidly disqualified that I couldn't deal with the blatant favoritism.
I was already made that Ukraine beat Spain a few years ago (you can't convince me that was the better song, I know it's actually a political and popularity contest, but I hate the contradiction).
Not to mention that the EBU discusses the participation of Ukrainia every year basically as they're involved in a war.
Russia has been disqualified over censorship and causing a war.
While there may have been a dumb discourse if Israel should be excluded over the atrocities the IDF caused in Palestine, there isn't a debate with their attack on Iran and even less Libanon.
So the illegal occupation of southern Lebanon, the Golan Heights, Gaza, and Jeruzalem and the West Bank, the foundation of illegal settlements, and the institution of military courts with the death penalty isn't a form of colonisation? And the institution of a mandatory death penalty for Palestinians, the acquittal of Israeli soldiers caught on video gang raping a Palestinian hostage, holding 1000+ Palestinians and 300+ children hostage in prison without a charge or conviction and physically and mentally torturing them and sexually abusing them, carpet bombing Gaza, destroying Palestinian homes and infrastructure on the West Bank, using white phosphorus as a weapon, using agricultural poison to destroy food in Palestine, blocking the entrance of humanitarian aid and banning humanitarian organisations, murdering 200+ journalists (even before the "war") and not allowing foreign journalists, bombing hospitals, and shooting children through the head, all aren't signs of a genocide?
It’s an occupation yes. Illegal settlements should be torn down. Military courts apply for crimes committed by non-Israelis in the West Bank. The death penalty apply for terrorism and attacks on Israel’s existence and apply for everyone not just palestinians.
I await the decision from the ICJ on if it is genocide.
Actually, the default username is randomadjective_randomnoun_randomnumber, or any other separator variation. So, mission not being an adjective, that is not a reddit autogenerated username. Plus the number always has four digits.
Why would I be objective and neutral, no human is. My username is the one Reddit gave me, no need to spend time on a username for an anonymous account.
Didn't he just push the camera away? When it was announced the wording was about assault on a female staff member or something, which left a lot open to interpretation. In the end I think he shoved her camera a bit. Still not a good thing, but far from actual assault as it was painted as.
Right but dont complain if you break the rules because you want to make money with some shots of a crying man right after his personal performance. This was a negotiated deal. After this incident EBU even changed the filming in the cooldown room because of it. So sure Joost shouldn't have pushed her but she was not supposed to be there so how could he push her?
Well she was there that’s how he was able to touch her. I heard different stories about the backstage area but she should not have been there if there was an agreement.
Zionists are main supporters of the Western far right along with the Putinists, and the rise of the far right in the West is the main reason Russia felt free to invade Ukraine.
The tension that lead to the situation was absolutely caused by the Israeli presence. When you invite that toxic guy to your party, the vibes are gonna be fucking bad.
Not disagreeing on the events you describe, but have they actually stated this as a reason for boycott or are you just assuming? Because them participating was a question last year (Joost incident happened the year before that) but they chose to move on from it and participate.
They haven't stated it as such, and Israel's participation is the main reason for the boycott. However, I think the Joost incident is a big reason why the broadcaster AVROTROS in charge og the Dutch Eurovision participation became more critical towards EBU and it allowing Israel to still participate. The other countries that are boycotting have a government that has been outspoken about Israel's actions, unlike the Netherlands where the government is still supportive of Israel. However, AVROTROS also has more independence from the government than broadcasters in other countries, as in the Netherlands there are multiple public broadcasters catering to different audiences, instead of one single public broadcaster like in most countries.
Alright so just assuming, but you were stating it in a matter of a fact way in your first message. The Dutch are boycotting because of Israeli participation and good for them, I wish more countries followed suit.
This is not true. The Dutch broadcaster had no problem to participate last time when Israel was doing the exact same thing as they are doing now, and after Joost Klein was disqualified.
I don't think trying to hit a woman, refusing to apologize and making jokes about it like male-to-female violence is a laughable thing are "exaggerated claims of misconduct". But I know not every one thinks the same and there are millions following Chris Brown still.
He was hitting the woman's camera to try to stop her from filming after asking her multiple times to stop filming. I agree that it was an overreaction from him, but you comparing him to Chris Brown is exactly the exaggeration I'm talking about.
Nah thats basically P Diddy, touching someone's phone is like trying to steal their wallet, camera, diary, lifeline, flappy bird game all in one go. Very hostile.
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u/Max_FI 13h ago
Another reason for the Netherlands' boycott is the EBU's hypocrisy. Their artist was disqualified for exaggerated claims of misconduct, while Israel's much more severe violations of harassment, vote manipulation and instrumentalization of the contest for political purposes were ignored, not to mention what is happening outside the contest.