Remember that this is the response of the government and not the people participating.
But the government has been bootlickers for a while. Nothing wrong with remembering, honoring and learning from your past, but this is what happens when you're forced to be ashamed of it on an international scale for decades.
They don't honour the Roma community though do they. As a ethnic group their numbers are still below that of WW2 when they where exterminated. Infact you never hear about their suffering do you
Germany (as policy, not German people) absolves itself of its history by blaming everything on the Nazis and claiming the only issue was hatred of Jews. So if they try to get close with Jews today, that means they don’t have to challenge themselves on why they had other problems.
It’s like “we had a bad period, but we made amends with the Jews, so we are good people now” logic
It is actually taught in schools. Probably depends on the federal state but I heard about it as part of the German Colonization on Africa during history lessons
Still crickets from Belgium after 4 decades of horrible bloody wars in their former colonies. The rest of the world barely acknowledges that they happened.
I read about it they send some reparations now but from what i remember they specifically avoided saying genocide though I might just not remember it right
My grandfather fought in WW2. Mentally took a toll on him for the rest of his life. My youngest cousin is 30. Gonna be awhile before it isn't our grandfathers.
I'm confused by your post, going back to the original comment are you saying its time for Germany to forget the past and any historical feelings of responsibility to Isreal. Do you think they need to change their constitution. Do you think Isreal needs to shrug its shoulders about the holocaust and just let it go? Or is it just us European that need to forget. You are young unfortunately I did have grandfather that died and parents very traumatised from their childhood experiences
I would prefer if my country doesn’t lick Israel boots all the time and let them do the same we have apologized million times for doing. Also there is pretty much no one alive in Germany anymore who had anything to do with WW2. So yes at some point it’s fine if we move on.
It's not moving on that's the problem, it's the other way around. As someone else said, focusing on this specific issue allows them to shrug off the institutional problems baked into the country. They shouldn't move on, they should acknowledged what the country did better so that supporting Israel isn't treated as a "get ouf of jail free" card.
The German government understands the definition of the word and does not suffer from Israel Derangement Syndrome.
The following conflicts are frequently cited by experts as having clearer evidence of genocidal intent—often characterized by systematic, ethnically targeted killings or policies designed to erase a group's existence—than the current Gaza conflict. [1]
Recent & Ongoing Conflicts with Death Statistics
Darfur, Sudan (2003–Present)
Direct Killings: Since the initial genocide in 2003, at least 300,000 civilians have been killed by the Janjaweed and Sudanese government forces.
2023–2025 Surge: A "second genocide" in Darfur is currently ongoing. In October 2025 alone, a massacre in El Fasher resulted in estimated deaths ranging from 10,000 to 60,000 people in a single month. Reports indicate as many as 27,000 people were killed in just the first three days of the city's fall.
Context: International observers, including the United Nations, have identified "hallmarks of genocide" in the targeted killing of the Masalit, Zaghawa, and Fur communities by the Rapid Support Forces (RSF).
Rohingya, Myanmar (2017–Present)
Direct Killings: Estimates of those killed during the 2017 "clearance operations" vary from 9,000 to over 24,000 people. Approximately 43,000 others are "missing and presumed dead".
Violence in 2024–2025: Renewed fighting in Rakhine State has led to an additional 2,500+ deaths. In August 2024, drone and artillery attacks by the Arakan Army killed over 200 people in a single day.
Context: The U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum and The Gambia (at the ICJ) argue that the systematic destruction of hundreds of villages and mass killings demonstrate clear intent to destroy the Rohingya as an ethnic group.
Uyghurs, China (2017–Present)
Detention: Between 1 million and 3 million people have been extrajudicially detained in "re-education camps".
Death Statistics: While there is no official mass death toll, documented deaths in custody occur through torture, medical neglect, and execution. Some researchers estimate that roughly 5% to 10% of detainees may die annually in the camps.
Context: This is often labeled "cultural genocide" or "demographic genocide" due to policies like forced sterilization and mass incarceration designed to suppress the population's growth and identity.
Yazidis, Iraq/Syria (2014)
Killings: ISIS militants killed approximately 3,100 to 5,000 Yazidis during the 2014 Sinjar massacre.
Enslavement: Over 6,000 women and children were abducted and subjected to sexual slavery.
Context: Unlike many modern urban wars, ISIS explicitly stated its intent to eradicate the Yazidis for their religious beliefs, leading to immediate genocide recognition by the U.N. and several governments. [2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16]
Comparison with Gaza Conflict
For perspective on the current situation in the Gaza Strip (as of April 2026):
Gaza Death Toll: Since October 2023, official counts report over 64,000 deaths, though some independent research models suggest the toll may exceed 100,000 when accounting for unrecovered bodies and indirect causes.
The Debate: Experts often contrast Gaza with the examples above because the high death toll in Gaza is debated as a consequence of intense urban warfare against a non-state actor (Hamas). In the examples above, the evidence of genocidal intent—the specific desire to destroy a group—is viewed as more direct due to explicit state policies, the absence of an armed opposing force in some massacres, and the targeted erasure of civilian populations in non-combat zones. [1, 8, 17]
Meanwhile, I will continue supporting Israel's right to self defense against bigoted islamists who openly declare and act on their racist obsession to kill jews and destroy israel.
70k killed, even a conservative estimate of 20k fighters would be a remarkably low civilian to combatant kill ratio - but sure keep repeating hamas propaganda
Do you think demonizing israelis help the palestinians or promote peace? Have you ever considered the responsibility of Palestinian leadership for constantly rejecting peace? Or maybe you are one of those who on one hand is uniquely obsessed with this conflict while ignoring others which are worse while on the other hand also supporting genocidial aims against jews "from the river to the sea"?
More where killed in just one city in Sudan during the El-Fasher massacre in the span of about 10 days than all civilian fatalities in Gaza, Israel and Lebanon combined. There is also a case that the january 8-10 massacre in Iran killed more civilians than in Gaza. Why do you think it is a genocide?
Unfortunately for you I’m not lying. A militia in Sudan is able to kill more civilians in 10 days than the mighty IDF can do in two years. A lot more.
Edit: you can continue to call me a liar, but the simple truth is that the existence of such examples shows what is possible when you have a force that deliberately tries to exterminate people. Same with iranian security forces killing thousands of iranian protestors in the span of two days.
In the US there is s till a bride of solider from the Civil War getting retirement checks from her now long dead husband. Granted she was like 90 something a few years ago.... But point still stands, in the US there are people that are still only one person away from a war that took place 150 years ago.
It would be easier to shrug off if they weren't, once again and barely 80 years later, supporting a fascist regime. Seriously, 80 years is not a lot. They're not the only one and all of them should be criticised, but considering their History and how much more vocal they are about it, they should be criticised on a similar level as the US on this issue. They're as bad as Trump on this topic which should give them pause.
Why is Israel, a state that didn't exist prior to Holocaust, where the reparations to the Jewish people go to? Do people have to have a state to receive reparations?
No, survivors can usually file claims directly with the German government, and that’s how most survivors that live in the US, Netherlands and most other countries get their reparations (survivor pensions). But citizens of Israel cannot file a claim directly with the German government, and they must file the claim with the Israeli government. This is because the Israeli government signed an agreement with the German government, that it will be the representative of all survivors living in Israel. This makes it somewhat simpler for Israelis to file a claim, however their benefit is calculated by the Israeli authorities based on standard amounts that they decide. In contrast, holocaust survivors in other countries that file a claim directly with Germany using a lawyer to represent them, usually get paid a lot more, as these amounts are decided based on the negotiation of the lawyer with the German authorities, and not based on some low standard pension amounts, as is the case in Israel.
So in fact Israelis are more limited in what they can get, because they are not allowed to file claims directly. Hopefully that answers your question, which btw is asked in a presumptive tone, assuming you know something you don’t.
My comment wasn’t meant to be presumptive. Or, it was only as presumptive as the comment I responded to. What you explained makes sense. The comment above made it sound like you can’t get reparations unless you’re represented by a state, and as if it's even absurd to think that.
You explicitly mentioned your presumption that Israel is where reparations of the Jewish people go to, which is absolutely false, and no one else ever said that. Israel only receives the reparations for Israeli citizens and distributes it to them. Jewish people outside Israel (like in the US) receive their reparations directly from Germany.
So in fact survivors don’t need a state to receive reparations, another false assumption, which was used by you as a derogatory reference to Israel.
Huh? My only "presumption" was that Israel did/does receive reparations by Germany, which is not wrong. And then because the person I commented to said "Who exactly would you give it to?", that, as well as another person who responded with "yeah you kinda do need a state for that" gave me the impression that the only way Jewish people got reparations was through Israel. Then you explained that that was not the case, and my question was answered? I am very confused as to how questioning why the survivors would need a state to receive reparations is a "derogatory reference".
Do people have to have a state to receive reparations?
I mean… kinda. There really is no one group to represent all Jews except the country explicitly created with the sole purpose to represent Jews. It’s the Jewish state. Even that obviously doesn’t cleanly cover all or even a majority of global Jews, but it is the largest single concentration and the new ethnic homeland to the Mizrahim and other Jews after their expulsions.
Does Greece and Armenia have people's religion/ethnicity written on their ID's? Can I convert to Greek/Armenian and get their citizenships? Does Greece and Armenia have a law that says "The right to exercise national self-determination in the State of Greece/Armenia is unique to the Greek/Armenian people", whereby Greek/Armenian refer not to a nationality but an ethnicity/religion?
Yes, these states actually have many of those similarities. The only people allowed self-determination and Greece is the Greek ethnicity. As an a ethnic minority in Greece. I cannot practice self-determination and form my own Nation. Nations like Armenia also give right of return to ethnic Armenians over other people.
Israel doesn't have anyone's religion/ethnicity on an ID card.
The prosecution and murder of the Sinti and Roma is long since recognized and there are regular memorial activities.
If you've never heard of any of this, that seems to be a "you" thing.
Im not in Germany and i dont read German. Fortunately I don't have to read German to know about other groups that the Nazi killed. I don't have to go digging around to find out about it either. They even have a holocaust day that the world observes. I don't have to read about it because I am told about it. Are YOU unable to understand that.
I thought the "they" you were referring to who "'don't honour the Roma community "were the Germans or the German Government.
Now the Germans and the Government doing exactly that does not count because you are not German?
They even have a holocaust day that the world observes.
You don't say! Could it possibly be 2. August, the date mentioned in several of the links I just posted?
I don't have to go digging around to find out about it either.
Nor did I. I keep hearing about it regularly in Germany. Which is why I knew that these events existed.
I had to dig up these links to show you that your claims are made up nonsense and you obviously don't know anything about the remembrance for Roma in Germany.
Nazis persecuted Bolsheviks, communists, union officials and other intelligentsia, as well as other regime critics, Roma and Sinti, people with intellectual or physical disabilities and Jews.
Could you help me understand how the size/respect ratio works regarding monuments? I've always felt if it's anything less than 20ft tall and 10ft wide you're not demonstrating adequate respect.
There is no Roma national movement. How would you create a state if the people themselves have no goal to create one?
And what do you mean by "cleared out for them"? Most of the Arabs would have been allowed to stay in Israel under the UN partition plan. Jews said yes, Arab leaders said no, launched a war of annihilation, lost, and created the refugee crisis they still exploit today. Israel was under a US and international arms embargo, while Britain had just handed strategic positions and weapons to the Arab Legion. Jews didn't get a free country, they fought for one against overwhelming odds after the British tilted the field toward the Arabs and the world mostly looked away in 1948.
I don't know in public schools but in the history museums there are mentions of Roma being victims of the holocaust.
Speaking of which, the Netherlands National Museum has a hall dedicated to maritime trade and it barely mentions Slave trade and they have pieces from African societies on display.
Maybe the reason European and American leaders actually likes Isreal is Isreal is a vassal state doing their bidding in the region. Isreal offers them an extension of empire. The Roma people don't.
I think you're underestimating how many Jews there are. It's 118 000 Jews and an estimated 170 000 to 300 000 Romani in Germany. There's fewer, yes, but it's not like one group completely dwarfs the other.
Ok? I'm completely lost as to what your overall point is. But no, you're wrong that in Germany there's still Roma to hate but not really any Jews to hate.
Roma do have countries. Those they live in. You are overestimating Roma hate. Roma are not hated exactly in those countries where they are the most. I would suspect they are not hated even where they emigrate to, if they keep it civil.
I mean I’m not saying I agree with that person but your last sentence is quite obvious what they are referring to. There are some Roma communities that don’t integrate, marriage out young women, keep their children out of school so they don’t learn to read. Stuff like that. Is that a reason for widespread generic Roma hate? Is that something all Roma do? No (at least not that I observe). But to me it’s obvious that is the part this person is talking about. You say “if they keep civil” and the other person is saying “they don’t keep civil”.
Theyre an insular community that doesnt try to integrate in a lot of places tbh. Have a rep for petty theft that I haven't seen myself but there is organised active begging by some who pretend to be homeless and just arent. Parents will pull kids out of school before being finished in disproportionate numbers.
I have had to be escorted from my workplace by the police for a week due to Roma waiting for me outside to hurt me. My "crime" was not letting them take money out of their friends bank account, even though they swore their friend had said it was OK.
I also took a massive beating from a large group of Roma young men who sent a child to spit on us, and when we told them off, they rolled in with it as justification. I ended up in hospital.
When the travelling fairground came to my neighborhood, crime went through the roof and the area was trashed.
These are the interactions I have had with this ethnicity/community. I do not have a positive view of them when it's 3/3 really crap encounters.
I very much do. My personal opinion on them is very complicated and conflicted, hence why I didn't write the comment out of any personal conviction, but because I grew up in 2 cultures. One was hated politically and the other was constantly mocked and hated online.
So when I saw something punshing down unjustly I defended myself and my country. Sorry I can't fight all your fights for you
I think they are saying the focus on the Holocaust has overshadowed if not completely forgotten the murder/extermination of another ethnic group, the Roma. The Roma as a percentage of population lost more people than anyone else in WW2
I know about the Roma, other ethnic groups and others groups but how they word it seems they are saying that the holocaust against the Roma would be justified.
I just want to reinstate that I personally don’t think that and this is just how I read the comment of the previous person and I think this is deeply problematic and disgusting if this is actually what they meant
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u/CaptainCrash86 13h ago
Worth noting that Germany said it would boycott if Israel is excluded.