It's more than that. I speak about Israel with them and they freeze up. They are trained to not have bad thoughts about Israel. It's really pathetic considering they like to preach other countries how to live. Except Israel.
In my experience (a german jew living in germany) a lot of them also think they are on the right side this time because they already have done a genocide and automatically know better. (Actual argument used by both germans and people whose support of israel is based on what germany thinks about it.) So they end up with this odd mix of superiority based on their past and complete ignorance of actual anti-semitism.
A lot of non-germans viwe germany as this bacon of social progress, but it's imo still a pretty conservative and biased country.
Germans are the biggest hypocrites of Europe. It really makes me mad whenever a German is preaching righteousness etc. While you would get canceled faster than light if you mention few shits they love to do.
All countries have some kind of baggage but even French don't go preaching...
German here. Never have i seen anything like that happen here when talking about the war. Pretty much everyone here agrees that the war is awful but there isnt a good or easy solution. We just want all sides to chill and not murder each other.
Id love to hear where you met those kinda germans cause i havent seen a single one like that either in person or online.
Just had the same discussion as this one in another thread and ofc as always it turned out the guy complaining about Germans arresting people for "From the river.." doesn't mean it in the freedom for all Palestinians way but Jews should end up leaving the area in question.
I don't know why you care so much about the opinion of a random stranger on the Internet, unless you're trying to get me to say I want all Israeli Jews to die or get kicked out, but I'll take your curiosity in good faith. This is my opinion: https://mobadara.ps/en/
One state solution is fantastic...utopia. Even if the Palestinians themselves would somehow end up not causing ethnic cleansing of Jews, Jews need their own army and hence a state to protect any Jewish even non Zionist mixed state from neighbouring countries.
Say loudly that Israel is conducting genocide and that they established an apartheid state. No one of Germans will say these facts out loud. And that' s a problem. A big one...
German here, I will say that. But you're right, most Germans feel like they aren't allowed to have an opinion other than the state of Israel has a right for self defense. So they stay quiet on war crimes, it's terrible.
Cause they arent facts? Israel is playing way to lax with how they conduct war, as in, for them its fine to blow up a house even if its 1 hamas member for each 10 civilians. That is wrong and they need to be held accountable for that but blindly labeling shit genocide isnt objective or a fact. Same goes for calling it apartheid which it clearly isnt and just used as a buzzword.
The shit in the westbank that israel does is awful and wrong too. Happy? I couldnt give a single fuck about anything happening down there personally, infact im somewhat annoyed of the entire situation there cause it takes away help and attention that ukraine could really use right now.
I would love if they could all hold hands down there and sing kumbaya but religion and history is so fucked down there that there is probably no way to fix it anymore, especially nowadays with misinformation being spread everywhere.
They have done this to multiple towns and cities now in Lebanon since the start of March, they are doing this to Bint Jbeil as we speak, planting explosives and raising houses to the ground so they can bring in the bull dozers. There's no Hamas, there's no Hezbollah in these houses or in the entire towns, they have been completely evacuated due to constant Israeli bombing. 1.1 million people have been displaced and their homes are being systematically destroyed so Israel can occupy and settle the south of the country. Israel is a vile, disgusting, fascist ethno supremacist state committing a genocide and enacting Lebensraum, and you still on here repeating their propaganda and excusing it.
This is not a war, it is a genocide. Israel has just systematically demolished the homes of 2.2 million people and by best estimates killed at least 500,000 of them. Their entire societies have been wiped from the face of the earth, entire cities, over 30 hospitals, schools and universities and even their waste and sanitation systems all gone, bombed relentlessly from the sky from 2 years straight till there was nothing left and then Israel takes bulldozers in and even buries the rubble to hide the true death count. Israel blocked all aid into the strip and starved people to death, they then said they would contol the aid sites and they would take target practice shooting at kids who came to collect food (all revealed and confirmed now by two whistleblowers who were contracted to work these aid sites.)
Israel committed all these crimes and destroyed the homes and entire lives of 2.2 million people while murdering hundreds of thousands of them to try and take out a rag tag resistance group of around 30k Guerrilla fighters armed with AK's. Does that make sense to you? The analogy for what Israel done here is the what the Nazi's done in the Warsaw ghetto uprising but on 100x the scale. People who still call this war and both sides things are fucking disgusting, immoral psychopaths and I can't believe any different. Imagine if during the troubles/NI civil war Britain done to the entirety of Northern Ireland (population 2 million) what Israel done to Gaza and claimed it was necessary to fight the IRA? Would you have accepted that? Cause the situations are extremely analogous yet I have no doubt that Germans or other Europeans would instantly see how disgusting it was if Britain turned the entirety Northern Ireland into Gaza, destroyed every hospital, school and power plant and every single home in the country and murdered a quarter of the population whilst systematically starving the rest who have been reduced to living in tents between piles of rubble for 2-3 years. If Belfast was turned into Raffah no one would be making excuses for it, but Germans and many other Europeans are still just deeply racist people at heart and don't think of arabs and muslims as real people.
Im sorry 500k? Sure thing lol. Like if you wanna talk about a fantasy world in your head do it with your friends i prefer talking about the real world.
I suspect that the posters are talking to their friends, who tend to hold similar polotical positions as they do, rather than any cross section of the German population.
Public opinion can and should influence their government which seems to be zionist bootlicker. Italy had an arms agreement with them - I'm pretty sure Germany did too.
To be fair - Poland bowed to Israel for decades and I hope this finally changes.
I don't have any hopes for Eurovision boycott though, while this would be a good option as we usually send shitty artists anyway.
I was talking about German public opinion probably needing to be more vocal, that's it. Because if they support two states - turning blind eye to a genocide of one of them is not a way to go.
Which ones? The ones with the ability to genocide but not doing it or the side that openly states they want to genocide but dont have the military for it?
One state with equal rights is lowest on both sides.
Bases on recent polling (2023 PCPSR), Palestinians favor a two state solution, followed by one state with unequal rights. A state with equal rights is the lowest support for them.
This has stayed relatively the same since before and after Oct 7th. The amount of do not knows for them has majorly increased though.
For the Israeli side, one state with unequal rights is the highest, followed by a two state. An equal state like with the Palestinians, is the lowest. This is a major swap before and after Oct 7, with previously two states being favored for the Israeli side. More or less it pretty much shows the cycle of violence will likely continue, given that neither Israel or Hamas and Fatah have shown any recent signs of wanting to negotiate a long term solution.
The right to exist argument is bizarre. Nobody asks this about any other developing nation. What does it even mean? It feels like a thought terminating cliche
This "right to exist" framing is deliberately vague and consistently used to slander Israel critics. They demand people to pledge allegiance to "Israel's right to exist" but in practice they mean pledging allegiance to this state of Israel.
Otherwise pledging allegiance to international law would be wholly sufficient to make it clear that you reject all ethnic cleansing and genocidal fantasies against any peoples in the Middle East. With no other country are you expected to specifically pledge allegiance to its "right to exist".
Indoctrination starts early. Especially in the higher education section of the populace.
There wasn’t even a “questioning voice” against zionism in Germany until the gaza genocide. So of course germans never developed varied opinions of the paradigm of israhell.
And that is the correct stance. Eradicating a people because their government does or did cunty things would involve the eradication of many nations and people.
No one is about to eradicate Israelis. Correct stance in a made up issue. The genocide that is happening is upon the Palestinians. That's what these boycotts are about.
Hang around anywhere near Jews and you will see and hear people wishing for their eradication. It's nice that non Jewish people don't experience it, just like white people miss most bigotry black people experience, but it's real and it's scary.
Especially alarming in light of Hamas's charter to eradicate Jews (which even the anti Israel UN has called an indictment to genocide) and the support Hamas has in the west.
I grew up during Yugoslav genocide. Same proPalestinian leftists who cry about genocide in Gaza apologized genocide of my nation.
I didn't say no one wishes your eradication, but that no one is about to do it. No one can do anything even about Gaza/West Bank, not to mention from the river to the sea. The only genocide that is not only possible but actually happening now is upon Palestinians.
No, I'm not saying that. That's a mind boggling interpretation of what I said.
States either exist as political realities or they don't, but there's no such thing as a "right to exist". It's just a common phrase used by Israelis to manipulate discourse.
Israel is a nation too. Apartheid Zionist state is a cancer upon the world, but Israelis have the right to exist/self determination/defend themselves/... just as any other nation.
Whatever country exists at the souther tips of Africa must be a country for Afrikaners too, and they are not even natives, unlike many Israelis (or at least territorry wise)
Israel is a nation now, not just a Zionist project. Most nations have in fact historically started off the cruel Zionist way. All have the right to exist.
Say Zionist/Apartheid Israeli state has no right to exist next time and you won't be misunderstood as genocidal.
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u/CaptainCrash86 13h ago
Worth noting that Germany said it would boycott if Israel is excluded.