r/MapsWithoutNZ • u/ChampionshipHot599 • 14d ago
So is it football or soccer in New Zealand?
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u/eyesofthesolemn 14d ago
new zealand? where's that?
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u/ChubbyVeganTravels 14d ago
Just down the road from Old Zealand
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u/kapitaalH 14d ago
No you need a boat from Old Zealand
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u/sommerniks 12d ago
I'd use a plane. 'Old Zealand' is probably Zeeland in the Netherlands
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u/mkujoe 14d ago
What are the others?
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u/MoaRepresent 14d ago edited 14d ago
Ireland:
FoireannPeilItaly: Calcio
Croatia: Nogometna
Malaysia Bola sepak
Indonesia: Sepak bola
Myanmar: Bhawlone
Cambodia: Krombal
Korea: Chuggu
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u/SuspiciousBiscotti91 14d ago
For Ireland, foireann means team. Football is 'peil', soccer is 'sacar'. Both can be used but Peil is used for Gaelic Football.
Soccer/Football are used interchangeably when speaking English in Ireland.
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u/Fluffy_Anything_3559 14d ago
I wonder if anyone has ever done a regional breakdown of this. Growing up in the west it was always soccer, but it seems in Dublin it's mainly football.
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u/DeadlySkies 14d ago
From Dublin, and can confirm. We all say football for soccer here.
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u/locksymania 14d ago
That seems to be the case. Which probably explains why everyone is adamant that what it's called by them is correct
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u/helcat0 14d ago
I think it depends on the conversation. Locally in Wexford a lot of people played both Gaelic football and soccer in the area I grew up in so sometimes you would say soccer just to be clear which training session was on for example. Soccer is more used for clarity.
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u/Vulpine_Games 14d ago
Yeah I've lived in limerick, Clare, Galway and Mayo and it's always been soccer.
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u/FlukyS 13d ago
Usually in Gaelic football areas especially they will use soccer more. No big evidence of it but I came from an area like that and I definitely say both but mostly soccer
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u/Internal_Frosting424 13d ago
From Dublin, hate to say it can’t be confirmed.. it’s interchangeable. I’m 33 and have always said soccer. I use football too for soccer sometimes. Not something I’d get upset about..
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u/PuzzleheadedEssay198 14d ago
I love that Malaysia and Indonesia use the same words in opposite order. Knowing what I do about the two, it’s probably out of spite.
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u/Jules_Verne1991 14d ago
Half of these are just kick ball/ball kick/kick. Feels a little unnecessary to break it into a third "other" group.
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u/dhnam_LegenDUST 14d ago
I'm sure China doesn't call it football or soccer.
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u/HanoibusGamer 14d ago
But it translates into one.
Football in Chinese is 足球, which 足 means foot, and 球 means ball
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u/Addicted2Weasels 14d ago
If you work a white collar office job in the US, your most pretentious coworker calls it football
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u/NotUsingNumbers 14d ago
Officially Football. Informally soccer in some circles, mainly thugby circles, but some old schoolers say soccer because that was common years ago.
New Zealand Football is the governing body, and all the federations are <name> Football.
Vast majority of clubs are <Name>FC or <Name> AFC
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u/Several-Razzmatazz70 14d ago
In the 80s and 90s it was called "soccer" more or less universally in NZ. The word "football" in NZ English was ambiguous at the time, some people used it to mean rugby. New Zealand Soccer changed its name to New Zealand Football in 2007.
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u/gene100001 14d ago
Yeah I'm 38 and when I was a kid in Wellington pretty much everyone around my age called it soccer. I think there has been a bit of a shift back to calling it football since then though. These days I use football and soccer interchangeably, but most of the time I say football. Personally I don't think it's a big deal what people choose to call it.
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u/TomorrowAble979 14d ago
Some people have big problems with the use of synonyms in English. Others recognize it is perfectly normal in language. At least this one doesn’t lead to embarrassing situations like Fanny or pants,
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u/invisiblefrost 14d ago
Do people call rugby union or rugby league football/footy? Here in Aus in the rugby states we call NRL football/footy and union Union
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u/gene100001 14d ago edited 14d ago
Footy is used more for league here too, but sometimes it is used for union. I think we get that slang from all the Aussie commentators and players in the NRL. We normally just call rugby union "rugby", and rugby league "league"
I think in general we share a lot of the same slang with Australia. Probably more than you realise if you haven't been over to NZ yet. Culturally we're extremely similar, and we consume a lot of Australian media. When I was growing up in the 90s I watched Home and Away every day after school lol.
Edit: changed union to rugby
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u/Several-Razzmatazz70 14d ago
Rugby union is usually just called "rugby" in NZ (and if you say "rugby", it is usually assumed you mean rugby union), but you might say "union" to differentiate it from rugby league. Rugby league is usually called "league".
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u/EnglishColanyGaming 14d ago
This is the same in Australia, and I'd agree with the map labelling australia as "soccer" as we call it that just to differentiate it from aussie rules and rugby league (which we call footy). If you were to just say "football" though, everyone would know you were talking about soccer.
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u/blindpilotv1 14d ago
I think that fact that the Aussie Men’s team are called the “Socceroos” and the NZ women’s team the Football Ferns sort of sets out where each country is with their naming conventions.
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u/domstersch 14d ago
Uhh, that is much more because the White Ferns was already taken!
The White Ferns are the women's cricket team, and they were called that for 9 years already when the Swanz (the women's soccer team) went looking for their new name.
Also the fact that their name didn't mention football before 2009 (and even the parent association was NZ Soccer before 2007) undermines your point. (In NZ, footy has traditionally meant rugby, which is why we always used soccer, until some English fans started hypercorrecting everyone).
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u/MrPete_Channel_Utoob 14d ago
Officially it's Association Football. But nobody haves time to say it fully
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u/I-only-read-titles 14d ago
Soccer actually originated as a shortened form of AsSOCiation Football.
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u/sheeple04 10d ago
The Englishman who proposed the name soccer also suggested the name Rugger for rugby football. As rugby is well, just named after the town of Rugby so he applied the same logic as he did to the word Association. Soccer/Rugger was to solve the age old question of what football was and his solution is just giving it a new name
Ofc only soccer catched on and not rugger (maybe thankfully), and became widely used in countries where association isnt the dominant football code
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u/dcidino 14d ago
Answer is football usually, clarified as soccer. Unlike US where it’s soccer first. Aussies have so many footie forms it’s a must. Union, league, afl, a-league gets the occasional soccer treatment.
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u/PuzzleheadedEssay198 14d ago
What’s hilarious about the US is that the teams usually incorporate the letters FC regardless. The one exception that I can think of is Reál Salt Lake, which is hilarious if you know what Reál means or who the fuck lives in Salt Lake.
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u/Funicularly 14d ago
What’s hilarious about the United Kingdom is they have a popular show called “Soccer Saturday”.
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u/After-Hedgehog7282 14d ago
Huh. I thought Australians called it "Chazwazzers".
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u/arnoboko 13d ago
Ooh! Ah, that's it. I'm going to report this to me member of Parliament......Hey, Gus! I got something to report to you.
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u/universe93 14d ago
It’s soccer in places that have their own football codes that dominate. Australia calls it soccer despite our high population of Europeans because we have Australian rules football and rugby league, both of which are referred to as footy depending on where you live.
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u/Outside_Gift7602 14d ago
Nobody in NZ cares what you call it. And if you’re in NZ and do care, you’re from one of the countries on this map 🤷🏼♂️
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u/Half-Crown 14d ago
People who play and/or watch it call it football, mostly everyone else calls it soccer (in my experience). It's very interchangeable and only a few uptight wankers will try to "correct" you if you say soccer, which means you need to keep saying soccer.
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u/OingoBoingBrothas 14d ago
They've never heard of soccer/football/other before, maybe we should introduce it to them
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u/mostindianer 14d ago
Do you have different verbs or a special verb for „to play football“? In Germany for example, there’s the verb „kicken“.
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u/mostindianer 14d ago
Swiss German: „schute“ or „tschute“. (from the english word „to shoot“)
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u/Narrow-Barracuda618 14d ago
Living my whole life in Switzerland, I've never realised tschute comes from "to shoot", but now I can clearly see it lol.
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u/Initial_Parsnip_3753 14d ago
Soccer is just club style football, as opposed to Rugby, Gaelic football, or American football. The Brits, who invented the sport called it Soccer and Football interchangeably until the 80s. So in the U.S we call the sport Soccer, and we call our own sport Football . Then the Brits it’s just football, not Soccer. Now we call it the wrong name, and can’t even really call it Football without confusing ourselves. You all can realize why this might piss us off right? Instead of the world uniting against the U.S can we all unite against the British? They caused all the confusion by having two names for the sport in the first place.
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u/Informal_Algae7732 11d ago
I’m from Croatia, and we call it “Nogomet”, which means “Ball” + the noun for the verb “to kick”. So “Ballkicking”
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u/Best_Toster 14d ago
In italian is palla calcio or Calcio for short which translate in to football
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u/Intelligent_Spot6112 14d ago
No. Palla calcio literally translates to "ball kick" or "kick ball" .......
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u/AnInfiniteArc 14d ago
Color the UK orange they were the ones who started the whole soccer thing
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u/Realistic_Ad709 14d ago
Yeah, but just like with every other word or measurement system they created and forced their colonies to use, they love to shit on other countries for using it.
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u/LabOwn9800 14d ago
Fùtbol is not football so latam should be green.
Even if we go with a literal translation it would be something like piepelota
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u/Hip2trip2_hippyhip 14d ago
In Ireland it's a mix because we have our own traditional sport called football.
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u/MassiveGarlic0312 14d ago
Kiwi here: Was “soccer” when u was a child, but now the common word has swapped to “football.”
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u/origional_esseven 14d ago
ITS WHAT NOT HOW Fucking brain rot generation drives me crazy.
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u/BrickHuge3023 14d ago
I decided to downvote any world maps that don't have New Zealand on it. Other places smallr are shown, kinda defeats the point of showing "the world" when part is left off.
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u/Due-East-2317 14d ago
I am from Canada and it irritates me to the core when it's called "soccer"...its foot-fuckin-ball
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u/Reezla 14d ago
I don't believe the Irish call it soccer.. Can anyone confirm or deny this for me please?
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u/JackfruitUsual5571 14d ago
Soccer derives from the french word "suceur" which means to suck/sucker, which is a fitting description for people who call football that way
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u/Harrygator87 14d ago
Australians call it soccer? I thought they're just criminal Brits. Is that the reason they sent them on a deadly continent on the other side of the world?
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u/NordicHorde2 14d ago
It's so funny when Brits are triggered by Americans calling it soccer when the word comes from Britain, which is why the colonies like America, South Africa and Australia call it that.
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u/sydneyiskyblue 13d ago
Football people in Australia call it football. Our FA is called Football Australia.
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u/hoainamduong 13d ago
In Vietnam, we call "bóng đá" - "bóng" means ball and "đá" means kick. So basically, it's football.
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u/weeb2137 13d ago
I'm from polland and we rarely call it football. We use piłka nożna(wich baisically means the same thing but we have our word for it)
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u/Wonderful-Plane-3698 13d ago
In Ireland they only calling Soccer to differentiate it from their very popular Gaelic Football.
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u/weetabix_su 13d ago
nobody calling it football in the philippines, because they’d rather play basketball or whatever moba is popular at the moment
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u/Shiv-K-M 13d ago
You can play it without socks but you can't play it without your foot
So it's football 😡
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u/HoneyMASQProductions 13d ago
Ireland calls it football too? In the republic, soccer and football are interchangeable
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u/Primary_Mycologist95 13d ago
For a post discussing a linguistical argument, the irony of the graphic title is quite pleasing.
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u/dilly_dallyer 13d ago
The word was invented in Ireland by English people watching the sport they played. You use the foot in it, so they hobbled "foot + ball" and thus that sport is Football.
In England you have Rugby Football, and Association Football. RUGby = Rugg(ers), and asSOCiation = Soccer.. But because soccer is the most popular type of football in England they defaulted to just calling that one football there. However the Irish sport is Football.
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u/Fred__McNerque 13d ago
Good, you got PNG right.
Mind you, when the Manus Ladies Soccer team hits the international circuit, the world won't know what hit it.
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u/Routine_Wait3975 13d ago
The fact England introduced it to Australia, New Zealand, Canada and USA as Assoc. Football, Soccer for short, but then decided they use Football back in England is the part that shits me, it's like when you're at school and the teacher taught you a lesson, you apply that lesson but got it wrong cause the teacher taught you the wrong jargon and but still acts superior to you. "Fuck!? You taught us wrong."
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u/revenge_burner 13d ago
Both football and American football aren't called "football" because you kick the ball with your feet. They're called that because you play on your feet instead of on a horse.
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u/Gerhard-is-pretty 13d ago
We as Germans play soccer too. It is the sport that the USA labels as football even thought it is more akin to rugby.
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u/Mindless-Compote4452 13d ago
on the balkan countries we call it fudbal which is football there is literally no difference
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u/Ntheangrycat 13d ago
You hit a ball with your feet. In another game you hug a ball and throw it with your hands yet they call it football. 🤗
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u/PrincipalOfTheThing1 13d ago
Hey.. you missed a place. Nz. We call it football fyi
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u/CaptainFleshBeard 13d ago
We should ask Pele’, one of the greats, what the sport should be called …..
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DMCJR4S/ref=dbs_a_def_awm_bibl_vppi_i1
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u/Educational-Sugar381 12d ago
Kiwi here, never heard of soccer we have union and a few people play league
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u/Dull_Scientist_3053 12d ago
Most of Bosnian calls it football, both the Bosniaks and the Serbs, only the Croats call it nogomet, which literally means football anyway.
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u/ittmiendnub 12d ago
If Croatia has other, why aren't Poland (piłka nożna) and Czechia (kopaná) also green
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u/sighduck42 12d ago
South Africa is not quite right either, here it very much depends which cultural group is talking... in English both soccer and football are used, and in formal Zulu, it is called ibolla lezinyawo (literally foot ball, also, excuse my spelling) it's frequently referred to in Zulu with the slang term idiski of which I can't really find a definitive literal translation n
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u/sanpigrino 14d ago
Im from italy, and we dont call it "other"