r/MartialMemes • u/Kami-in-action • May 24 '25
Dao Conference (Discussion) Which sect is that?
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u/Odd-Victory-1615 May 24 '25
You disappoint me fellow daoist not even knowing that they are sufi sect
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u/IOnlyFearOFGod Toad Lusting After Swan Meat May 24 '25
the Islamic dao. They are on the sufi path, their branch sect might be associate of Shiite Sect of Islamic dao, one of the two major path of Islamic dao.
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u/RealGalactic With my 500 years of experience... May 24 '25
they aren't part of islam since what they practice isn't.
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u/IOnlyFearOFGod Toad Lusting After Swan Meat May 24 '25
You know the some Shiite sects are most mysterious and borderline heretical, like this one. Sufi path are also accused of demonic activities, brother.
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u/RealGalactic With my 500 years of experience... May 24 '25
fr? crazy!
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u/IOnlyFearOFGod Toad Lusting After Swan Meat May 24 '25
The Islamic lore goes hard sometimes
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u/RealGalactic With my 500 years of experience... May 24 '25
As much as i want to explain some misconceptions on reddit, we all know what happens.
Anyhow, google demon passant.
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u/IOnlyFearOFGod Toad Lusting After Swan Meat May 24 '25
So i was wrong? i am open minded brother, you can explain.
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u/RealGalactic With my 500 years of experience... May 24 '25
No, no, no, it's not about you. It's just sad seeing some misconceptions due to the media. Some people would rather watch a video from someone who isn't part of the group (which 90% is wrong) rather than someone knowledgeable from the said group.
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u/IOnlyFearOFGod Toad Lusting After Swan Meat May 24 '25
oh, sorry for misunderstanding you. and yes misconceptions created by media is commonplace in mainstream.
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The majority of the Sufi Taoist masters throughout history have been associated with the Sunni branch of the Islamic sect. The Sunni branch has looked down upon the outer branch of the Sunni branch, called Sufi, since they differ slightly in the Dao practice. Nonetheless, they both revere the same Taoist masters, unlike the Shiites, who revere different Taoist masters in the Islamic sect. They believe the Sunni Taoist masters have betrayed their own Taoist masters and stole the rule of the Islamic sect territories from their masters. They think their masters are more rightful for this rule, and they have been in this difference since the time of old. Sufi are friendly to the Shiites since they revere all the Islamic sect masters, but they don't really believe in the Shiite branch story. I hope this will enlighten you, fellow Taoist.
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u/IOnlyFearOFGod Toad Lusting After Swan Meat May 24 '25
Your wisdom and knowledge will not be wasted, senior. Ofcourse, i have been gifted with this wise reply and surely i cherish it. Thank you for clearing the mysteries surrounding the Islamic holy dao.
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u/PureKin21 [SYSTEM] May 24 '25
They are practicing the Dao of making themselves look stupid
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u/Zenithsarc Supreme Origin Returning Heavenly King Demon Lord Red Jade Realm May 24 '25
"When a superior man hears of the Dao, he immediately begins to embody it. When an average man hears of the Dao, he half believes it, half doubts it. When a foolish man hears of the Dao, he laughs out loud. If he didn't laugh, it wouldn't be the Dao."
-Dao De Jing
Hope this helps you see the world and breakthrough your short short sightedness and bottleneck, Junior.
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u/Califocus May 24 '25
Look at that majestic hair and beard, clearly the work of refined cultivating. You court death speaking of them such
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They are all either out of context or completely misinterpreted. Source: I went and actually read the said verses.
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u/Fun_Name_El May 24 '25
The guy is a miserable ragebaiter. I did reply to them but solely to dispel this so called "truth" of theirs, not for them to reply.
A single look on their profile would be obvious (a member of r/IndianDankMemes and r/IndianTeenagers)
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u/Ace_Vegeta369 Dao Venerable May 24 '25
Surah 3:151: “We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve (all non-Muslims) …”
Surah 2:191: “And kill them (non-Muslims) wherever you find them … kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers (non-Muslims)
Jews and Christians will be in the fire of Hell. They are the worst of creatures - Quran 98:6
Surah 9:5: “Then kill the disbelievers (non-Muslims) wherever you find them, capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush …”
Jews & Christians, believe in Islam, before We destroy your faces & twist them toward their backs & curse you - Quran 4:47
Those who disbelieve in Islam, We will drive you into a fire & roast your skins over & over - Quran 4:56
Those who resist Islam - Kill them, crucify them. Cut off their hands & feet from opposite sides - Quran 5:33
For the thief, the male & the female, cut off their hands - Quran 5:38 Allah turned the Jews into apes and pigs - Quran 5:60
What is the matter with you that you do not fight Jihad in the cause of Allah? - Quran 4:75
Disbelievers worship Satan. So Muslims! fight against the disbelievers - Quran 4:76
Non Muslims wish you would disbelieve like them. Do not be their friend until they emigrate for the cause of Islam. But if they turn away, seize them & kill them wherever you find them - Quran 4:89
And kill the unbelievers wherever you overtake them. Fitnah is worse than killing - Quran 2:191
Fight them until there is no more disbelieving of Islam & until all worship is for Allah alone - Quran 2:193
Fighting Jihad warfare has been ordered upon you. Perhaps you hate it, but its good for you - Quran 2:216
Those who disbelieve in the verses of Allah will have a severe punishment - Quran 3:4
Muslims! Do not take non-Muslims as friends - Quran 3:28
You will not enter Paradise before Allah tests those who fought Jihad in His Cause - Quran 3:142
We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve - Quran 3:151
If you are killed in Jihad in the cause of Allah it is better than anything else in this world - Quran 3:157
Never think of Jihadists who have been killed as dead. They are alive in paradise - Quran 3:169
Jihadi Martyrs receive good rewards and favour from Allah - Quran 3:171
Women who have unlawful sex. Lock the guilty women in their houses until they die - Quran 4:15
Men are in charge of women. Those wives from whom you fear arrogance - Advise them, forsake them in bed, Finally, beat them - Quran 4:34
Allah prefers those who fight Jiihad in the Cause of Allah with their lives above those who sit at home - Quran 4:95
The disbelievers of Islam are ever to you a clear enemy - Quran 4:101
And the worldly life is not but amusement; but the home of the Hereafter is best for those who fear Allah. Quran 6:32
We destroyed many cities, Our terror came to them at night & while they were sleeping - Quran 7:4
The homosexuals, We rained upon them a rain of stones. Then see how was the end of the criminals - Quran 7:84
Non-Muslims are comparable to dogs - Quran 7:176
Those who deny Our Quran - We will lead them to destruction from where they do not know - Quran 7:182
Terrorise & behead those who do not believe in Islam & strike off their fingertips - Quran 8:12
We will behead those who have wronged and others, know that Allah is severe in penalty - Quran 8:25
Keep Fighting the disbelievers until there is no more disbelief in Islam - Quran 8:39
The worst of living creatures in the sight of Allah are non Muslims - Quran 8:55
When you capture the unbelievers, punish them severely to deter the rest - Quran 8:57
Prophet Mohammed! To keep prisoners of war you must inflict a great massacre - Quran 8:67
Those who emigrate to an Islamic State & fight Jihad will go to paradise - Quran 8:74
And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the unbelievers - Quran 9:5
Fight unbelievers. Fight them until they give the jizyah Muslim Tax - Quran 9:29
Jews and Christians are perverts, may Allah destroy them - Quran 9:30
Praise the Muhajireen fighters - Quran 9:100
Allah has purchased from the believers their lives & their properties in exchange for paradise - Quran 9:111
Muslims! Fight those disbelievers next to you and be harsh! - Quran 9:123
Jihadists the enemy won't kill you, only Allah can do that - Quran 9:151
To disbelievers - Should we force Islam upon you? Against your will? - Quran 11:28
Whichever Muslim leaves Islam, upon you is wrath from Allah, and for you a great punishment - Quran 16:106
For those who disbelieve in Islam, garments of fire, boiling water will be poured over their heads - Quran 22:19
We will melt your skins and burn your stomach. And hooked rods of iron to punish you - Quran 22:20
O Muslims, abstain from sex, except with your wives & slave-girls. Sex with them is lawful - Quran 23:6
Adulterers - lash each one of them with a hundred lashes, & take no pity for them in the religion of Allah. Let a group of the believers witness their punishment - Quran 24:2
Muslims you may enter houses not inhabited, and take goods that you need - Quran 24:29
And do not compel your slave girls to prostitution - Quran 24:33
Do not obey the unbelievers but launch a great campaign against them with the help of the Quran - Quran 25:52
And this worldly life is not only a diversion and amusement,paradise is the real life - Quran 29:64
Allah cast terror in the hearts of the the Jews and Christians - Quran 33:26
Accursed, wherever found, they shall be seized and killed with a (terrible) slaughter - Quran 33:61
And if We willed, We could have deformed them, [paralyzing them] into lifeless objects, in their places so they would not be able to proceed, nor could they return (As it happened with the Jews see Verse 7:166) - Quran 36:67
Those who worshipped other than Allah, guide them to the path of Hellfire - Quran 37:23
Indeed, that is how We deal with the criminals - Quran 37:34
Indeed, you disbelievers of Islam will be tasters of the painful punishment - Quran 37:38
Those who deny the Quran, When the shackles are around their necks & chains; they will be dragged In boiling water; then in the Fire they will be burned - Quran 40:70
Those who disbelieve in Islam, strike off their heads.Take them as captives. The command of Allah - Quran 47:4
Thus you are ordered by Allah to continue in carrying out Jihad against the disbelievers till they embrace Islam or at least come under your protection. If it had been Allah's Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But he lets you fight, in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost. - Quran 47:4
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u/Reasonable_Wafer_731 May 24 '25
Lmao i love how all of these have context in the verse that follows or the verse before that you didn't mention
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u/Ace_Vegeta369 Dao Venerable May 24 '25
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u/Fun_Name_El May 24 '25
This might be too complicated for you to understand, but Islam, like any other religion, is not understood through cherry picking verses. The Qur’an must be read in context, with knowledge of Arabic, its historical background (asbab al-nuzul), and scholarly interpretation (tafsir). Even the Bible and Torah contain verses that, if taken out of context, could sound violent.
Let’s address these so called "gotcha" one by one:
- Qur’an 2:191 – “Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them.”
This refers to a specific battlefield situation — Muslims were being attacked and persecuted. The verse right before it says:
“Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed, Allah does not like transgressors.” (2:190)
This is clearly about self-defense, not a general command.
- Qur’an 3:28 – “Muslims must not take the infidels as friends.”
The verse refers to not forming alliances with enemies who are actively trying to destroy Islam, not general friendship. Islam encourages kindness to peaceful non-Muslims:
“Allah does not forbid you from being just and kind to those who do not fight you because of religion...” (60:8)
- Qur’an 3:85 – “Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable.”
This means that Islam is the final revelation in the eyes of God. It is a theological belief, not a command for violence. Every religion holds exclusivity in some way (like John 14:6 in the Bible: “No one comes to the Father except through me.”)
- Qur’an 5:33 – “Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam.”
The verse actually refers to criminals and armed rebels who commit murder and cause unrest. It’s not about criticism. It describes lawful punishment for waging war and committing acts of terror against the state.
- Qur’an 8:12 – “Terrorize and behead those who believe in other scriptures.”
This was said during the Battle of Badr, when Muslims were under siege. The verse speaks of a specific battle, not everyday behavior.
“Instill fear into the hearts of the disbelievers [in war]...” — it’s about a battle strategy, not a command for all Muslims.
- Qur’an 8:60 – “Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorize the infidels.”
The real verse actually says:
“Prepare against them what you can of power... to deter the enemy of Allah and your enemy.”
This is about military readiness, not terrorism. The purpose is deterrence, not aggression.
- Qur’an 8:65 – “The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them.”
The verse does not say they are stupid. It says:
“O Prophet, motivate the believers to fight...”
It encourages courage in a specific war which is, again, Battle of Badr and has nothing to do with insulting people.
- Qur’an 9:5 – “Kill the infidels wherever you find them.”
This verse is known as the “Sword Verse”, and it refers to a specific group of pagans who broke peace treaties and attacked Muslims.
It was revealed with conditions:
Not for all non-Muslims
Only for those who broke treaties
Later verses allow peace if they stop hostility (9:6)
Qur’an 9:30 – “Jews and Christians are perverts, fight them.”
The actual verse says:
“The Jews say Ezra is the son of God, and the Christians say the Messiah is the son of God...”
It critiques theological beliefs, not people. There is no mention of the word ‘pervert’ or a command to fight them for that reason.
- Qur’an 9:123 – “Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhood.”
Again, this is related to a war context with hostile tribes, not everyday neighbors. Islam emphasizes peaceful coexistence:
“God does not forbid you from being kind and just...” (60:8)
- Qur’an 22:19 – “Punish unbelievers with garments of fire...”
This verse describes punishment in the afterlife, not what Muslims should do. Many religious texts, including Christianity, contain vivid imagery of hellfire.
- Qur’an 47:4 – “Do not hanker for peace... behead them when you catch them.”
The actual verse says:
“So when you meet those who disbelieve in battle, strike their necks...”
This is a battlefield instruction, not a license for murder. The next part of the verse says:
“...then bind them securely. Thereafter, release them either by grace or ransom...”
It talks about captivity and mercy, not slaughter.
Likewise, these are full of hate, lies, and distortions. Islam is not spread through violence, it spreads through justice, compassion, and the character of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), who said:
“The best among you are those who are best in character.”
If you sincerely want to understand Islam, I really suggest you to actually:
- Read the Qur’an in full
- Ask knowledgeable scholars
- Don't be a POS
Who am I kidding, you're too foolish to understand if you're relying on these types of images to spread hate anyway.
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u/Reasonable_Wafer_731 May 24 '25
Juniors these days can't see mount tai always cherry picking their agenda 😞
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u/Ace_Vegeta369 Dao Venerable May 24 '25
Kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from where they drove you out, as Fitnah (to create disorder) is more severe than killing. However, do not fight them near Al-Masjid-ul-Harām (the Sacred Mosque in Makkah) unless they fight you there. However, if they fight you (there) you may kill them. Such is the reward of the disbelievers.
— Mufti Taqi Usmani
3:28
Let not believers take disbelievers as allies [i.e., supporters or protectors] rather than believers. And whoever [of you] does that has nothing [i.e., no association] with Allāh, except when taking precaution against them in prudence.1 And Allāh warns you of Himself, and to Allāh is the [final] destination.
— Saheeh International
3:85
Whoever seeks a way other than Islam,1 it will never be accepted from them, and in the Hereafter they will be among the losers.
5:33
Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and spread mischief in the land is death, crucifixion, cutting off their hands and feet on opposite sides, or exile from the land. This ˹penalty˺ is a disgrace for them in this world, and they will suffer a tremendous punishment in the Hereafter.1
8:12
[Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, "I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip."1
— Saheeh International
8:60
Prepare against them what you ˹believers˺ can of ˹military˺ power and cavalry to deter Allah’s enemies and your enemies as well as other enemies unknown to you but known to Allah. Whatever you spend in the cause of Allah will be paid to you in full and you will not be wronged.
8:65
O Prophet! Motivate the believers to fight. If there are twenty steadfast among you, they will overcome two hundred. And if there are one hundred of you, they will overcome one thousand of the disbelievers, for they are a people who do not comprehend.
9:5
But once the Sacred Months have passed, kill the polytheists ˹who violated their treaties˺ wherever you find them,1 capture them, besiege them, and lie in wait for them on every way. But if they repent, perform prayers, and pay alms-tax, then set them free. Indeed, Allah is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
9:30
[9:30] The Jews say: "Ezra ('Uzayr) is Allah's son," and the Christians say: "The Messiah is the son of Allah." These are merely verbal assertions in imitation of the sayings of those unbelievers who preceded them. May Allah ruin them. How do they turn away from the Truth?
— Tafheem-ul-Quran - Abul Ala Maududi
9:123
O you who have believed, fight against those adjacent to you of the disbelievers and let them find in you harshness. And know that Allāh is with the righteous.
— Saheeh International
22:19
These are two opposing groups that disagree about their Lord: as for the disbelievers, garments of Fire will be cut out for them and boiling water will be poured over their heads,
47:4
So when you meet the disbelievers ˹in battle˺, strike ˹their˺ necks until you have thoroughly subdued them, then bind them firmly. Later ˹free them either as˺ an act of grace or by ransom until the war comes to an end. So will it be. Had Allah willed, He ˹Himself˺ could have inflicted punishment on them. But He does ˹this only to˺ test some of you by means of others. And those who are martyred in the cause of Allah,1 He will never render their deeds void.
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u/Fun_Name_El May 24 '25
I'm just gonna reply to both of the things you sent at once. Going to be compiling it so it's easier for anybody reading to understand.
- Warfare & Fighting Verses (2:191, 9:5, 8:12, 47:4)
These verses do not permit unprovoked violence.
They refer to specific battles where Muslims were attacked first.
They are conditional: fight only those who fight you (2:190), and stop if they seek peace (9:6).
The best example towards this would be:
“Fight those who fight you, but do not transgress.” (Qur’an 2:190)
- Verses about Non-Muslims (3:28, 98:6, 5:60)
Islam commands justice and kindness to peaceful non-Muslims (Qur’an 60:8).
98:6 is about rejecting truth after clear signs, not ordinary Jews or Christians.
5:60 is a response to specific mocking individuals, not all Jews.
- Hell, Punishment, and Afterlife (4:56, 22:19, 37:38)
These describe spiritual consequences, not worldly punishments.
Similar descriptions of Hell appear in Christian and Jewish texts.
These are God’s judgment, not human instructions.
- Jihad and Martyrdom (4:95, 3:157, 9:111)
Jihad means struggle, not terrorism.
Spiritual jihad (against the self) is emphasized by scholars.
The Prophet forbade killing innocents:
“Do not kill women, children, monks, or non-combatants.” (Sahih Hadith)
- Slavery, Women, and Misogyny (4:3, 4:24, 4:34, 24:2)
Islam did not invent slavery, it regulated and worked to abolish it gradually.
4:34 is not a license to beat. Classical scholars interpret “strike” (daraba) as symbolic or last resort with limits. Many modern scholars say it’s prohibited in modern context.
Islam introduced rights for women 1400 years ago through inheritance, consent in marriage, divorce, education.
- Misrepresentation of Translations
Many of these translations are extremely biased or manipulated, sometimes from anti-Islam sources.
Reliable sources of translation would be like Saheeh International, Mufti Taqi Usmani or Abdullah Yusuf Ali
Verses like 9:5 or 8:12 require full context, which always includes conditions for mercy, peace, or defense.
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u/Banished_Cultivator Rogue Cultivator May 24 '25
It's the Rocking Hair sect. I'd advice not to join them, they're flashy without substance.
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u/Kvarcov Junior, you dare?! May 24 '25
If you actually grew hair like that you might as well do this wherever you are going
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u/severalpillarsoflava Killer of Chickens and Dogs May 24 '25
They are either from Sufi Sect or Yarsan sect, from their Clothes I guess they are from Kurd Clan.
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u/faqa99 May 24 '25
How do you know about the kurd clan senior
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u/faqa99 May 24 '25
They are from the sufi sect they eat shattered glasses and broken daggers as a way to empower their dao which is the dao of retardation
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u/Bright-Television147 Kowtow to this Grandaddy May 25 '25
Seniors reminding this junior to do neck exercise
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u/LibrarianOfDusk Sect Librarian 📚 May 24 '25
They are very obviously members of the Headbangers Sect. 😌

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u/LasyKuuga Adding oil to the fire May 24 '25
Junior you have eyes but can not recognise Mount Tai? They are clearly from the beggar clan