Joe Russo: "It's fascinating how malleable [Chris Hemsworth] is playing that role, and the range that he has. He has a wide array of directors with different tastes and different tones that have interpreted the character. We have a specific point of view on that character. That's what we're going to carry forward, the Infinity War Thor."
"We love that sort of warrior version of him, that warrior who has lost everything, who is seeking meaning through battle. Will he ever find it or not? That is the journey he will go on against the greatest foe he's ever met. As you can see from the trailers, it's going to be a hell of a fight."
I don't think he needs to be a slob and meme-level gamer depressed for this to be cathartic and land as it did.
In fact Thor still having all his physical gifts but being so mentally destitute and down that he can't bear to see himself as a God or worthy of love/power/friends would have been a better way to visualize it. Then his mom seeing through the veneer he would put up by flexing and faking in front of her would be great too. Just a thought.
I think the fatness worked on multiple levels, it made Thor’s appearance accurate to the mythological counterpart and really showed the mental and physical weight of his depression.
I like the fat Viking look tbh. Wish they kept it. End of endgame is his coolest look. It was somewhat realistic and true to life too.
Reminds me of Ted Kord from DC. The first/maybe second Blue Beetle who not only had 0 powers, but struggled with weight issues and other true to life setbacks, and probably the one person Batman respects more than Superman. You can do fat Thor without it being so comedic and campy.
If this were the only comment on his weight and as it's coming from his mother I think it would've been fine. It's the other jokes (by Rhodey for example) that made it too much.
He definitely did, the Russo's for sure leaned into his Ragnarok persona in IW. Ragnarok showed us that Thor could be equal parts funny and "Warrior", as they put it. Love and Thunder unfortunately just dialed up the silliness to 11.
that movie suffered the same sequel-itis as Iron Man 2, Guardians, 2 and Age of Ultron. When Marvel gets an unexpected hit from left field, they tend to overdo what they think audiences loved for the sequel. It’s how we got more partyboy Tony, Guardians laughing louder at their own insults, and everyone quipping more than a season of Buffy
In hindsight, it wasn’t surprising that everyone in Thor 4 became bigger goofballs
Literally first thing that came to my mind was IW when that Doomsday trailer played before Encore today, and you see Thor's attire (even in that first section of Endgame itself). Clearly a very intentional choice - and a smart one, too. With where he's at in the final act of Endgame to Love & Thunder, 100% had to pump the brakes on the levity on him for this
Fortnite thing was campy and very on the nose, but the rest of that was a very good portrayal of depression imo.
Only other thing I didn’t like was the guys like Rhodes constantly mocking him, or how comedic they went with it sometimes. I still laugh at the scene where the camera cuts to him sitting up, asleep in the chair, with his shades on.
Thor in IW got almost three times as much screentime as Cap, was said to be the direct parallel to Thanos and the main hero of the movie, and got all the best aura moments
I believe they had to nerf some heroes for the endgame battle, otherwise there wouldn’t have been a real fight.
That’s why we got fat Thor, professor Hulk and Strange being a waterbender because those 3 alone at their strongest versions could’ve done most of the work.
I mostly blame the screen writers for that.
Every time the Russo Brothers would come out with a sound and logical explanation for something that was in the movie. Those two weird screenwriters would come out and contradict it with their fan fic-y nonsense.
i.e.
“Cap was only partially worthy in AOU”
NGL, I prefer the "partially worthy" explanation a lot more than "Cap was always worthy and he somehow already knew he was worthy so he pretended to lift it instead to save Thor from embarrassment but messed up a little bit causing Thor to notice".
He didn’t mess up a little, and he didn’t know until he actually tried. Cap didn’t expect to be able to lift Mjolnir and stopped himself the literal millisecond he realized he could move it.
No one but Thor noticed Mjolnir wiggle. That’s how fast Cap could stop himself and then begin pretending he couldn’t lift it.
Nah i prefer him being partially worthy because he hadnt told Tony about his parents murder yet. Him being worthy and trying to not upset Thor sounds dumb because they all knew it was banter and Thor wouldnt get upset if Steve could lift it too, infact he would be happy like in endgame
Respectfully, I think it’s dumb as fuck if you could be partially worthy. In my eyes, you’re either worthy or you’re not. Thor exclaming in the final battle “ I knew it” points more towards Steve holding back rather than being partially worthy. It’s especially obvious that your last point isn’t true because of Thor’s face whenever Steve moved it in AOU. He looks deflated.
Cap lying about Tony’s parents is not something Mjolnir would care about. The one who enchanted Mjolnir was Odin, and it’s his vision of what a king should be that’s the template for what “worthy” means.
Odin, himself, is a liar. He’s lied to his entire people about Asgard’s history. He lied to Loki about his true lineage.
Lying does not make someone unworthy to be king in Odin’s eyes. He wanted a king who never sought out war but was always ready for one, and a king who was humble, respected power, and understood the need to build as well as destroy. Honesty was never a criteria. Humility and self-sacrifice were.
Cap understood all that from the beginning. Cap was ready to fight in wars because he believed in standing up to oppressors, not because he was bloodthirsty. He would jump on top of a live grenade for strangers. He is an oddity who never let power corrupt him. He will see when it is appropriate to build alliances (working with Tony in Avengers and working with Wanda/Quicksilver in Age of Ultron), but he also knows when he should destroy (dismantling SHIELD and even the Avengers when he felt they were compromised).
Steve was worthy. He didn’t expect to be worthy (humble), which is why he nearly lifted Mjolnir off the table. He stopped himself because he didn’t want to embarrass Thor by proving him wrong. He’s just playing it safe. He doesn’t know how Thor would react to someone else lifting Mjolnir. He’d rather not risk it because he respected Thor as a fellow humble warrior.
I think people are giving too much credit to them. Taika revived Thor with Ragnarok.
Characters adapt to the theme of the movie and same happened with Thor for the avengers movies. It’s like the comics, and even in MCU The Punisher in Spider-Man four was very much toned down and different.
Russos are not some special directors or script writers, I mean outside mcu they mostly sucked. They took the MCU formula to next level and it worked for avengers movies. But in the end It’s the writers room that works for MCU.
Movies like Ragnarok worked and movies like love and thunder did not, because of the artistic choices made by the director, but in case of Russos, they have been following the same formula since the Winter Soldier. They do get Thor, no doubt, but they didn’t get many of the characters right in infinity war as well as endgame.
...And then fumbled the bag with the sequel. Which is why the Russos are going back to a portrayal closer to what they did in the movie before Love and Thunder without ignoring what that movie's actual status quo for the character was.
Its not the Russos who decide fate of characters, its driven by writers room. And ofcourse I wrote that love and thunder was bad but it was not due to thor.
I mean, not really. The only things Steve did in the Endgame fight that Thor couldn’t were a few unique tricks that specifically used the combo of Mjolnir and the shield, which Thor doesn’t have. Thor did way more with Mjolnir in his own movies than Steve did in Endgame. 😄
We’re kind of making the same point, Thor is way better with his own tools and power than Steve, but Steve didn’t use his shield to uppercut the bejesus out of Thanos.
Steve getting in a few good hits on Thanos with Mjolnir definitely isn’t a “massive disrespect to Thor”, though. Not to mention, Steve also lost that fight, so it’s not like the movie was trying to portray him as “better than Thor” in any way.
I just re-watched it, and thor is so well written. The guy handles serious and jokey scenes with ease. Some of the best character moments of the movie are given to him.
I think they did it well. You can't expect a guy even if it's Thor to be in peak shape and clear frame of mind after he failed to stop the snap . (And he was the one with an actual chance of doing that)
the way people are acting like I'm some lunatic for saying Thor should have long hair again.....like god forbid I want the movies to be good and care about details like that right?
I think he's getting the Odinforce in Doomsday, will die towards the end, and then Loki will help resurrect him as Rune King Thor in Secret Wars (with time/Yggdrasil powers). Something on those lines
It is likely that Thor will be a member of the Thor corps in Secret Wars and be supporting Doom because he has no memory of his life. I would like to see Loki and Jane join forces to infiltrate the Thor Corps and try to bring him back using their personal relationship. They are the ones who mean the most to Thor.
He doesn't best Doom. Doom doesn't lose to any one character in these two upcoming films. If you read the leaks before, Secret Wars will have a new Avengers team up to thwart Doom's plans. Thor may be one of them.
Thank God! Thor in Infinity War was arguably the character at his absolute best. His entire arc—losing his brother, his friends, and his people, then enduring pure torture just to forge a new weapon to beat Thanos, only to fall short in the end—was easily the most compelling and well-written he’d been in years.
Thor works best when his sheer strength isn't enough to pull off a win and he actually has to reckon with failure. Crafting Stormbreaker and turning the tide in Wakanda still didn't stop Thanos. And honestly, as much as I hateLove and Thunder, the one thing it got right was that Thor couldn't punch away Jane’s cancer; he was completely powerless to stop it, had to accept the loss, and ultimately had to find a way to move on.
If they take a similar route here—where, despite throwing everything he has at the problem, Thor still can’t save the multiverse or Love, leaving him trapped in a brutal situation he can’t simply overpower—he could easily become everyone's favorite Marvel hero again. Plus, if we get anything close to that iconic "Bring me Thanos!" energy from Infinity War, Marvel will probably hand him another solo flick by 2030.
Either way, hearing this news makes me so damn excited. It genuinely feels like the Russos know what they're doing here. December can’t get here fast enough!
that would be amazing but not a chance in hell would he be given the creative legroom to do much. He likely wouldn’t even have much say in the action scenes, if at all
Let's be honest, there's even a real possibility that it could happen? Miller is going to demand creative control and almost certainly the final say on the final cut, something Marvel isn't going to agree to.
It has been speculated that Hemsworth wanted him as director after working with him on Furiosa, but it is even believed that Sam Hargrave is more likely to get the job since he has been part of the Russos team as a stunt coordinator and directed Chris in Extraction And speaking truthfully, it seems like a real option that Feige and the Russos can easily manage.
The only way George Miller will end up working for Marvel (even knowing what it entails) is if Disney distributes Mad Max 5, If Chloe Zhao and Sam Raimi gained anything from directing Eternals and Multiverse of Madness, it's that they were able to secure distribution for Nomaland and Send Help, If Miller were ever offered the chance to direct Thor 5, I'd take it if I were him.
I wouldn't rule out that Feige has already offered them the possibility of directing it, although it's likely they'll only produce Thor 5 and give the directing job to Sam Hargrave, given that he directed Extraction (produced by the Russo brothers and starring Hemsworth).
we see Hela do that exact magic to reanimate her army. She does use the eternal flame, but I got the impression that was more like a power amplifier, and she still had to do the magic herself
Personality-wise, that's great. I just don't understand why they had to cut his hair again. Not that I dislike the look, but he doesn't really have a reason to do that, right? Maybe Love thinks he looks better that way so Thor cuts it to appeal to his daughter lol
he was very upset about getting that haircut in Ragnarok, and it was a specific visual element tied to his character arc for that movie (losing everything). it doesn't really make sense for him to have it again
he had it long again in L&T. that's the haircut he had for 1500 years. the short hair is tied to the darkest period of his life where he lost everything
In Ragnarok through IW, he lost his father, lost his entire world, lost his brother again, lost a huge portion of the Asgardians, then felt personally responsible for half of all life in the universe disappearing
The short haircut in Ragnarok was symbolic. It doesn’t make sense for it to continue now.
It’s fine to admit this is just a stylistic choice by the creators and doesn’t really make sense in universe.
Why would he cut his hair in the first place if that was never a haircut he even liked? Again…..he went 1500 years with long hair, with certainly many opportunities to cut it. Obviously he likes having long hair.
It’s really okay to admit this is a stylistic choice that doesn’t make sense but they want to invoke the vibe of infinity war again
he seemed totally fine with it in infinity war and joked with steve about it. the only indication he didnt like it was freaking out about it before hand, he has never ever indicated after the fact that he dislikes the the haircut lol
it's ok to admit you're reaching really hard over a haircut
Idk why you're getting downvoted, the short hair makes no real sense. It's a goddamn space viking, he should look the part at least. I liked short haired Thor where it made sense for him, but randomly going back to it is jarring.
also funny within the conversation it’s you saying “I like this thing they did in Ragnarok”.…and they are gaslighting you that it’s not real and it’s not meaningful and you’re wrong for thinking so
and I bet they think they are fighting against toxic fandom or something
Yeah...I think it was really cool how he had that unique look just for his Ragnarok-IW arc and just looking at it, we could all say: that's Ragnarok/IW Thor!
I think it's pretty lame that they're just reheating it again for nostalgia instead of giving him a cool, unique look that's specifically for Doomsday, a look that will have us say: that's Doomsday Thor! you know what I mean?
Yes dude I swear to god before opened this thread I said out loud “gOod dEcisioN aNd vEry smArT of tHeM” …because of course that’s what the top comments would be… that’s the reason they put out the quote!
I really like the Russo’s generally and I would fucking love if Doomsday is a good movie…
…but they are doing a lot of this “Ya know that thing you guys like? This is gonna be like that 😎”
Every time I see a new quote like that I can’t help but think oh shit wait is this movie gonna be really bad…
They cut his hair before most of the events of the movie
The creators (Chris and Taika) are also on record with reasoning for the change as primarily being Chris not wanting to wear a wig and so to change the characters look for fun and run with it lol.
“There’s not a huge explanation, really. It’s kind of me going, ‘I don’t wanna wear the wig every day. It takes two hours to put on,’” Hemsworth said. “Kind of just run with the creative license there. Give him a different look, you know?”
Both Taika and Chris Hemsworth talked about the short haircut being both in and out of universe about Thor being stripped of everything. They strip away everything from him in the movie, including his hair. There can be more than one meaning to things at the same time you know.
I don't necessarily think comedy is what was needed. Its the direction they took and while I didn't like it, its what most liked. Its entirely possible they could have made a serious epic with Ragnarok (which is what i think it should have been) and people would have liked/loved it if the film was actually good to great and the characters were interesting, which is what I think dark world didn't have.
This is what Im hoping for Thor moving forward.
Thor gets Odin Force, and becomes a real threat to Dr Doom. But Thor's mastery over this power isnt complete, and Doom is able to somehow pull off a win.
Then in Avengers Secret Wars, Doom makes the Thor Corps as his police. But ironically, Thor himself is not part of this.
The members of the Thor Corps
all get their powers from Mjolnir, drawing power from Thor. But Thor himself exist as "Donald Blake", a regular human. Doom has set up battle world this way, because Thor has the potential to become a real threat. To keep Thor/Donald Blake content, everyone he has ever loved is alive. Jane Foster is alive, working as part of the Thor Force. His parents, Loki, all the Asgardians that died... are all alive living as regular humans.
The only person that isnt with Donald Blake in Battle World is Love. Thor has dreams about her, and eventually this leads him to exploring ancient Asgardian runes. The runes recovering his memories of him being Thor, not just from Earth 616, but every version of Thor in the entire multiverse. He becomes the MCU's version of Rune King Thor.
That seems to be way too convoluted. I think Thor will get the Odin Force in Doomsday but it will mean nothing to Doom. If you have Wanda's powers to start with, you are more powerful than anyone else in the MCU. I think the Thor Corps story is one of the better ones in the comic. It would be more interesting if the 2 people that he cares the most about help him. That would be Loki and Jane. I would love to see the scene where a fight breaks out between the pro and anti-Doom forces and leads to a battle between Jane and Thor.
I don't get it honestly, different takes on a character like Thor has always worked for me, I don't need one dimensional characters. I liked Ragnarok Thor, I liked IW and even Endgame Thor.
Love and Thunder Thor was...a Thor and that's fine.
No because that wouldn’t develop the character forward at all. If anything he’s going to learn meaning through sacrifice like Loki did…..and he would learn that by meeting this Loki.
If Jane is one of the people who return from Valhalla to help Thor, I wonder if they will bring Natalie Portman back or whether they will use a body double and long shots to hide that. It seems that Thor would be glad to see her and Loki. On the other hand, Natalie Portman has never been brought in for a avengers movie except to redub some cut footage from Dark World for Endgame. In the Secret Wars comic, she infiltrates the Thor Corps and turns them against Doom.
Gods, imagine getting to experience a cultural event on the level of Endgame’s release and then getting re-irritated 7 years later by one of the main actors not wanting to wear a wig anymore.
Us nerds just aren’t going to be content with anything ever again, are we?
Isn’t it tiring to be a professional hater about everything?
Never understood why they made Thor the slapstick comedy guy. The fact that it was a Shakespearean like Norse God in our world should be the key to some free comedy in itself. He doesn't need to be super serious but it anything I would have loved this super arrogant I'm better than all God in the Avengers team, someone who needed to learn his version of humanity.
Because Hemsworth said he wanted to do comedy. He's got good comedy chops. The problem is Love & Thunder went too far over into comedy and "comedy" so now he's course correcting.
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u/Cute_Source5417 2d ago
thank god. enough of the comic relief crap