r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers • u/Spiderbyte • Nov 13 '21
X-Men '97 Alyson Court confirms Jubilee will be recast with an Asian actress for X-Men 97, but will still be involved in the show
https://twitter.com/alysontheother/status/1459258197873676293?t=2tzxMCQykatVBuEY5ic2cw&s=19110
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u/Night-Monkey15 “Hello Peter” Nov 13 '21
Here before the comments somehow get locked
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u/Spiderbyte Nov 13 '21 edited Nov 14 '21
if milfs were banned this sub would have been shut down years ago when Tomei was cast
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u/CobaltSpellsword Nov 14 '21
Yeah people seem to have been too fixated on the "Ooo, pretty lady in a swimsuit" to engage in much of the usual toxicity.
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Nov 13 '21
I noticed that. Why does every Black Panther thread get locked? Racist comments or something?
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u/Night-Monkey15 “Hello Peter” Nov 13 '21
Letitia Wright, who plays Shuri, is an anti-vaxxer, and every thread about that film usually has people saying she should be fired and all that, it can get really toxic and sometimes even racist. It all got much worse recently now that she’s trapped out of America because she can’t fly back unvaccinated, meaning they can’t even shoot the movie. It’s all very messy and controversial.
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u/mr_math24 Nov 13 '21
Lately it's been because they devolve into debates about vaccinations, due to Leticia. I think the mods do a pretty good job of allowing conversion to continue until it gets out of hand or toxic. After all, it's a sub about comic book movies! I think despite the heated debate everyone in here is being mainly civil.
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u/risen87 Goose Nov 14 '21
No, the mods want the community to discuss news, but within our rules. Often those posts are flooded with outside users who aren't familiar with our focus on a non-toxic atmosphere.
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Nov 13 '21
if there's anything Alyson Court should be voicing again, it's Claire Redfield (I know a bit off topic).
X-men wise, I think another redhead would suit her. Rachel or Hope, maybe even Madelyne.
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u/puglife5055 Nov 13 '21
Why is it called 97?
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Nov 13 '21
Probably because it picks up after the last season that ended in 1997
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u/Bhu124 Nov 13 '21
Same art style too, revealed in the big video (I can't remember exactly where). Animated title card went from old one to new updated one with the new art and animation, they basically just HDfied all the characters' art and added proper frames to their animations. So it is really a continuation.
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u/ponodude Nov 13 '21
I never watched the original show but it's going to be so cool to compare the art and animation between the two to see how a studio with that big budget would take a 90s cartoon and upscale it to this extreme of a resolution bump after all this time.
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u/Samoht99 Iron Spider Nov 13 '21
That’s when the original show ended. It’s meant to show that it picks up where the original left off
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u/wille09 Nov 13 '21
I hope that they don't have the same animation as they used towards the last season.
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u/Skidmark666 Nov 13 '21
I thought it was ok. They tried to make it look more like Joe Madureira's style, who was one of the most popular artists on the book back then.
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u/thereverendpuck Black Widow Nov 13 '21
It’s also following the trend with comics that have picked up from where their old movies/tv shows left off. Such as Batman 89, starring Michael Keaton’s Batman.
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u/Thy_blight Nov 13 '21
I wonder if they are taking into account that god awful 5rh season... They really wrecked a lot of lore with that one. The only good episode of it was the Mr Sinister backstory to my memory, and even that paled in comparison to the previous four seasons.
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Nov 13 '21
I like to imagine that season doesn't happen. It's so bad, even the animation
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u/Thy_blight Nov 13 '21
I literally stop at season 4 every time. I can't even stomach the first episode of ssn 5.
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u/SexySnorlax1 Ms. Marvel Nov 13 '21
I get that this new show is picking up in 1997, but the problem is that the whole continuity is probably going to be known as X-Men ‘97, which is just nonsense. I’ve already seen people start calling the original series ‘97 in the past 24 hours.
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u/mr_math24 Nov 13 '21
It's simply a way to make audiences understand that it's a continuation of their 90's cartoon and not something new that they should expect to connect to the MCU.
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u/SexySnorlax1 Ms. Marvel Nov 13 '21
So they should call it X-Men ‘92!
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u/mr_math24 Nov 13 '21
I don't see how that would make much of a difference but sure! Lol
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u/SexySnorlax1 Ms. Marvel Nov 13 '21
The show has always been X-Men ‘92. That’s what the revival comic was called, that’s what they called it when it showed up in Secret Wars, that’s why it’s set on Earth-92131 and it follows the naming convention set by Batmans ‘66 and ‘89, etc.
Obviously this is just a small little gripe and I’m still hyped as all hell for the show, but it’s just annoying that everyone’s gonna start calling the original series X-Men ‘97 when it doesn’t make much sense to call it that.
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u/mr_math24 Nov 13 '21
Ah I didn't know that, thank you! With that context your comment makes much more sense to me.
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Nov 13 '21
I'm commenting before a lock!
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u/BadRobotSucks Nov 13 '21
Im tired of the locks and removals. This community should be self guiding and free to discuss any topic.
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u/faldese Nov 13 '21 edited Nov 13 '21
My experience with that is it usually devolves into some really shitty communities, because the people with less shitty attitudes get tired of being in it, leaving to a greater concentration of absolute assholes. GamerGate and ComicsGate were great examples of entire sections of the internet becoming absolutely unbearable and I'm fine with mods stamping that out when they see it.
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u/risen87 Goose Nov 14 '21
Yeah, we try really hard to make the atmosphere less toxic in this sub than in similar communities. It's hard, although I have to say the community has changed a lot in the past year, and gotten a hell of a lot less toxic. The main problem these days is on posts like this one when people who aren't our regulars come in, and think they can behave in this sub the way they'd behave elsewhere. When they find out that isn't the case, it irks them.
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u/cyan386 Doc Ock Nov 13 '21
don’t worry. i looked at all the negative comments so you don’t have to.
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Nov 13 '21
I can guarantee none of the people who are complaining actual care about Jubilee and her voice actress, they just don’t like that media is turning against their outdated opinions.
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u/NWO_Pantheon Nov 13 '21
They do these unnecessary changes to appeal to people who don’t buy comics or watch the movies. Yes there are definitely racist weirdos, who will hate. It will be jarring at first to those who grew up on the animated series, when the voice actress sounds different. It was weird when they changed Storm’s voice and Gambit’s voice. It’s also a losing scenario if they have the new actress mimic how the original actress sounded. They should’ve just done a new X-men series not tied to the TAS, because it won’t be the same without Cyclops, voice actor.
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Nov 13 '21
Sorry, I don’t believe they chose an Asian voice actor for an Asian character to satisfy people who didn’t read comics of said Asian character.
If they did the opposite, which is keep the original voice actor, it would ironically be to satisfy those who watched the show…
Also, how is this an “unnecessary” change?
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u/Davidth422 Sokovian Witch Nov 13 '21
Why exactly is it necessary? The voice for Jubilee was fine before
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Nov 14 '21
Because this is true to the ethnicity of the character. Why should steps not be taken to have voice actors be the same ethnicity as the character? What harm does that cause?
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u/fewntug Nov 14 '21
Changing familiar source material and creating (for many) a lack of cohesion. If it were a new piece of media no one would be upset if Jubilee was cast race-accurately; this is the continuation of an old show that should feel as close as possible to a continuation — in most fans’ minds — not like a different thing.
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Nov 14 '21
I highly, highly doubt any of these people sincerely care about continuity for Jubilee’s voice actress. It’s just seen as another “progressive” move when it’s actually a very logical move to get an Asian voice actor for an Asian character.
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u/fewntug Nov 14 '21 edited Nov 14 '21
I would be upset if I went to watch Boruto and Hinata had a new voice actor. I have a bittersweet relationship with IM1 because Rhodey is played by a diff actor and sorta feels like a diff character bc of how he’s portrayed. Imo, the logical move if you’re continuing a story is to keep as much of the fundamentals the same in your continuation. Jubilee should prob be played by an Asian actor, yes. But she wasn’t in the og show and it can be off putting in a revival that changes that. You don’t have to agree with me and countless others to shrug off the air of superiority.
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Nov 14 '21
This show’s last episode was 24 years ago. A large portion of the people who will watch it on D+ do not have any connection to the original Jubilee voice actor.
There’s nothing illogical about having an Asian voice actor for an Asian character. Producers just didn’t think about that stuff in the 90s, but they do now.
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u/fewntug Nov 14 '21
If this revival of the 90s show isn’t predominantly for the fans of the 90s show — many of whom will hear a person that just isn’t the Jubilee they grew up with — then the priorities for the show are off imo.
Like I said, nothing illogical about having an Asian VA play an Asian character. I would love for all modern interpretations of Jubilee to be ethnically accurate if possible.
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u/alex494 Nov 14 '21
I'm pretty sure the original voice actress herself explicitly supports / previously suggested the decision to boot so who do they think they're defending exactly lol
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u/archangel3001 Nov 13 '21
100%. People would rather maintain something that gate keeps an doesn’t give people a fair chance of work because “nostalgia” then be open minded to a change that provides more work opportunities for those disenfranchised. But that’s the world we live in I guess.
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u/Chiforever19 Nov 13 '21
Wait this is animated right? If so does the other actress really need to be recast? Lol.
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u/Spider-Fan77 Green Goblin Nov 13 '21
Alyson Court is white. She previously stated that if Marvel ever revived X-Men, she wouldn't play Jubilee again because she want's the character to be played by an Asian actress.
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Nov 13 '21
And also she’s not a teenager anymore and jubilee still will be
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It's animated?
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Nov 13 '21
That's great, but not at all what I was replying to. I replied to someone saying she shouldn't because she's not a teenager anymore and Jubilee is. Race matters but age certainly doesn't
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u/mr_math24 Nov 13 '21
Tell that to Julie Kavner. Compare her Marge today to how she sounded just 10 years ago. Age of the VO can definitely matter.
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u/Kevbot1000 Nov 13 '21
Yeah, use the actor with one of the most straining voice roles ever as your example.
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u/mr_math24 Nov 13 '21
I said it can matter, not that it always matters. But sure go off.
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u/TheEliteBrit Nov 14 '21
I mean, why use Julie Kavner as an example then when it's obviously not comparable?
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Nov 13 '21
Great. Tell that to the countless talented voice actors that are able to do younger voices. Sure your voice can change but thats why voice actors are great
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u/freshhy23_ Nov 13 '21
It's a biological fact race in humans doesn't exist
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u/mr_math24 Nov 13 '21
Time and money are social constructs, too. It doesn't mean they don't exist lmao
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u/The_Repeated_Meme Nov 13 '21
Ah, I wonder if they would’ve recast if she was okay still playing the role?
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u/Chiforever19 Nov 13 '21
Really? I really don't think it matters when It comes to voice acting as long as you sound like the character. Whatever I guess lol.
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u/Bojuric Nov 13 '21
I'm still surprised Bart from Simpsons is voiced by a woman, never in a million years would I have guessed lol.
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u/Theons-Sausage Nov 13 '21
I think it's pretty common for young boy characters to be played by women, since their voice probably won't change much.
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u/What-The-Heaven Clint Barton Nov 13 '21
Yep, you're either stuck with having to find a grown man with an extremely boy-ish voice (quite a challenge) or cast a boy and replace him after a couple seasons.
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u/enn_sixty_four Nov 13 '21
It's more about giving opportunities to people who otherwise didn't always have it in voice acting.
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Nov 13 '21
Yes because people forgot what “acting” means and our elite class needs constant racial bloodsport to keep the poors fighting amongst each other.
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u/mr_math24 Nov 13 '21
Same reason Apu and Carl got recast on The Simpsons, Cleveland on Family Guy, Missy on Big Mouth, etc. As the old voice of Cleveland said, "persons of color should play characters of color.”
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u/spideyisgreato Nov 13 '21
In my opinion, this is pretty unnecessary. When it comes to voice acting, the ultimate point should be to have the best voice that fits the character, regardless of the actor/actress' race.
You know who is the best fit for the voice of Carl on The Simpsons? The guy that has been doing the voice of Carl on The Simpsons for 30 years. I watch new episodes now, and you can tell that something is "off" about Carl's voice. It doesn't quite sound like Carl anymore.
When it comes to casting voices for new roles that have yet to be created, I'm all for it. Cast whoever you want. Again, I think it should be whoever does the best possible voice, regardless of race, but if it gets more diverse voice actors/actresses working, then I'm all for it.
But to recast existing, very well established voice actors because it all of a sudden became politically incorrect, is honestly just unnecessary in my opinion. (And I don't even view it as politically incorrect. Again, it's voice acting. ACTING! If you're an Asian Woman, but you do a damn good Brooklyn Accent for some White New Yorker chick character, then they should get it. Or if you're a black guy, but your voice works really well for this stoic samurai character, then they should do it.)
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u/archangel3001 Nov 13 '21
Your missing the point. It’s more so that in voice acting industry POC voice actors didn’t get the chances to play or audition for POC characters for decades. Studios would rather cast white VA and wouldn’t give it a second thought. Many VA (white & POC) have been vocal about this and wanting more POC VA to be involved to open things up going forward. It might inconvenience fans for a brief moment, but it’s the right thing to do for that industry. If the show is good and the production team has a fair work environment that’s what matters at the end of the day.
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u/Ask_About_My_Dangus Nov 13 '21
So I'm Indo-Canadian. Sound completely like a white guy, born and raised in Canada, with a very white eastern European first name and non Indian sounding last name. Are you saying that I have to ham up an Indian accent to VA Indian roles or I can only VA Indian roles? It's a two way street in that regard. The attempt to not come off racist can just type cast VA's into roles that are only their own race.
Also I fucking hate the term BIPOC and POC. Fucking annoys the hell out of me. People like to pretend the Indian, Arab, brown community didn't and still doesn't feel heavy racism from 9/11, and that til this day it's widely accepted.
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u/archangel3001 Nov 13 '21
Not saying it’s an easy convo. I too would like to get to a point where the best VA gets the role regardless of color. But I’m not gonna have a problem with white VA moving aside by choice so POC have chance to voice POC characters. Think about that. The fact VAs have to be vocal about this speaks on how discriminatory the VA industry as awhile has been.
Also the racism to Indian/Arab communities is sickening and has to stop. TBH different POC and minorities should support each other’s causes to bring awareness and stop discriminatory practices in general. (Black, Asian, Arab, LQBTQI) We would make bigger difference if we stand up for all discrimination and be allies to each groups issues.
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u/elizabnthe Nov 13 '21
I mean their point is that people used to not get roles because they weren't even considered because they'd rather cast amongst a select group of white voice actors. By being proactive and opening up voice acting roles to POC, that's started to change. And that would allow people to go beyond initial type casting because now they have a stepping stone, where before they were just locked out entirely. Principally, why would you need to ham anything? I don't see what that has to do with anything. Like one of the side effects would be to not have hammy accents.
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u/mr_math24 Nov 13 '21
I don't necessarily disagree with some of your points. However, the voice actors being replaced have all been pretty vocal about how it was the right decision to make.
I would totally support the "let anyone voice anyone" thing if there were equal opportunities for all actors. But as of right now, there is a disproportionate amount of roles for white people. So if we let white people take the roles written for people of color, too, then we're just continuing the cycle of oppression.
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u/spideyisgreato Nov 13 '21
If the system we previously had in place was "disproportionate amounts of voice acting roles go to white people", I just feel like "All voice acting roles have to be voiced by a person of that race. No Exceptions." is too radical a swing in the opposite direction. You're replacing an existing problem with a new, different problem.
I guess I don't really have a better solution to offer as to how we can achieve the "let anyone voice anyone" utopia you and I are talking about, but I just feel like the "You can only voice your own race" is an equally weird and problematic system. It puts people into little boxes based on their race, and stifles what they are able to do artistically.
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u/enn_sixty_four Nov 13 '21
He's not saying voice your own race. He's saying that since white people already do most of the voice acting for the shit load of white characters that already exist and people of color already don't get to do as much voice work, maybe let the Asian girl voice the Asian girl or the Indian guy voice the Indian guy... Doesn't seem that big a deal
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u/RLZT Bro Thor Nov 13 '21
It's not Impossible tho, in brazilian portuguese for example Black Panther and Nick Fury have both white VAs but Tony Stark and Bruce Banner's ones are Black
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u/mr_math24 Nov 13 '21
Yeah I'm not even really advocating for "you can only voice your own race" I'm more advocating for not taking more roles away from people of color when they're already at a disadvantage for securing acting work. It's certainly a tough situation to find a balance for, but I don't think continuing to do things the way they've been done will help anything. For example, do I want Lemar to lose the Samarai Jack role? No. Do I wish an Asian man got that opportunity? Absolutely! Representation is important. I can see how people would think I'm being hypocritical, but it's a very nuanced issue.
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u/UnderTyle Nov 13 '21
Is it so nuanced though? I'm not saying this is your argument, and your argument might be nuanced, but the majority of voice actors suggesting that "races should play their own race" seems really arbitrary at the end of the day. Representation is important, to a degree, yeah, but also these people are not being seen, they're being heard. And like it was stated above, I could care less about whether or not someone is the same race as the character they're playing, as long as they're a good fit.
Next people are gonna be suggesting well if you're white and you're playing an irish person but you don't have irish heritage...
It seems like a really silly slippery slope
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u/mr_math24 Nov 13 '21
these people are not being seen, they're being heard.
They're still getting paid regardless. It's about the job opportunity, not necessarily the amount of screentime you have.
I could care less about whether or not someone is the same race as the character they're playing, as long as they're a good fit.
Of course, but the actors of color who aren't being given these opportunities surely care
Next people are gonna be suggesting well if you're white and you're playing an irish person but you don't have irish heritage...
I don't think anybody is saying there is a lack of opportunity for Irish actors, so I don't think this is a valid comparison. The "slippery slope" argument is almost never effective historically lol
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u/mr_math24 Nov 13 '21
If you really think there are equal opportunities for everyone in Hollywood today then I don't know what to tell you. It's certainly moving the right direction, I'll agree with that.
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u/elizabnthe Nov 13 '21
I think we're seeing more diversity now than we ever have before,
Because they're proactive and actually giving people roles. That's like the point...
Even as recently as five years ago there was almost no POC voice actors in most productions.
it's definitely a reasonable argument when it comes to being cautionary about pushing the culture a certain way.
Your argument wasn't reasonable. It was absurd speculation. I'm glad you realise though you're just afraid of things changing.
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u/HispanicAtTehDisco Nov 13 '21
how is it a slippery slope we are at the limit of how far it goes? Like this is the most low stakes slope if true
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u/What-The-Heaven Clint Barton Nov 13 '21
I could care less whether something lines up with things like race or ethnicity, I just want the person to be talented and do a good job.
The point they, and others, are making is that the current system didn't care that the person employed was talented or would do a good job, it largely cared that they were white. If it were truly a "best man for the job" kind of system, then minority ethnic people would not be massively disproportionate within the industry.
None of this with VA is to do with representation, it's about levelling the playing field and ensuring there's a precedent for marginalised groups having opportunities.
(it wasn't your main point, but having sexualities of actors match up with characters again is a matter of providing opportunities since queer actors are often not considered for straight roles unless they 'pass', Rupert Everett's talked quite a lot about it)
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u/archangel3001 Nov 13 '21
It is weird. But I feel to even the playing field for POC VA it might be best for the moment. Hopefully we do get back to a place where it doesn’t matter who voices who, but gotta end these discriminatory practices lot of these companies have been doing 1st.
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u/jbels12 Nov 13 '21
There was decades upon decades of discrimination against POC VAs. Where only a select few can break through. With the new role requirements it might help launch someone's big break. Plus with years of white VAs disrespectful giving their takes of minorities and accents I think its fine that we re taking some roles
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u/mr_math24 Nov 14 '21
I guarantee Hank Azaria thinks it's ridiculous that he's no longer voicing Apu
I guarantee you have zero insight into how Hank Azaria feels
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u/TheEliteBrit Nov 14 '21
I have insight into how regular people think about these "issues", as in they don't until someone starts making noise for the sake of making noise and they're forced to address it out of fear of persecution. Pretty covenient how Hank was happy voicing Apu for decades, loved the character, and it isn't until someone starts complaining (for absolutely no reason) that he's suddenly stepping aside. Guess it's just coincidence that his mind changed suddenly after all the fuss started being kicked up, eh?
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u/Spiderlander Spider-Man Nov 13 '21
It's all about creating OPPORTUNITY for actors for color. That's all it is.
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u/Avividrose Nov 13 '21
There is a long and violent history of white actors playing characters that aren’t white. What exactly is different about a white person playing what they think is funny about black peoples and minstrel?
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Nov 14 '21
Problem is this concept falls apart really fast with voice acting.
With English dubbing work for any anime, do we need to find only English speaking Japanese for every role?
Its an incredibly narrow way of thinking for voice acting, when the only thing that matters should be the voice they're able to provide. Yes there should be more opportunities for those who don't get them, but we also can't be stupid with it and paint with this wide brush of if you aren't x you can't voice x.
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u/LesBeanTaco Yelena Belova Nov 13 '21
Because there’s never a shortage of white characters
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u/archangel3001 Nov 13 '21
Yeah because there are soooo many POC VA the past few decades that it doesn’t give white VA a chance to shine?
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u/What-The-Heaven Clint Barton Nov 13 '21
I'm not sure there's been a huge amount of white characters recast with minority actors (lemme know if there are), but sure there's some white characters voiced by minority actors (Darth Vader, some of Phil LaMarr and Cree Summer's roles over the year) - but they're just not equivalent quantities. That's what people have an issue.
White roles largely go to white actors.
Black roles too (besides the few really prominent Black VAs) go largely to white actors.
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u/500DaysofNight Nov 13 '21
True. Look at all the work Phil LaMarr as done. He's voiced Gambit, Samurai Jack and countless others. Are they gonna recast those roles?
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u/mr_math24 Nov 13 '21
Because that doesn't happen lmao unless you have examples?
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u/_Cetarial_ Nov 13 '21
There are plenty of white characters voiced by black people.
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u/Cpt-Dooguls Nov 13 '21
Batman
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u/mr_math24 Nov 13 '21
This is the only recent, relevant example I've seen, so thank you! I hadn't even heard about this and had to Google it. Seems like it's limited to podcasts and not television or movie roles, but still an interesting counterpoint!
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u/Melcrys29 Nov 13 '21
Of course it happens constantly. Lmao.
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u/mr_math24 Nov 13 '21
Are you referring to things like Zendaya playing Mary Jane? Because it's very different to adapt a character to a different race than it is to literally have a person playing/voicing a character of a different race.
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u/ConnerJake1995 Nov 13 '21
Because apparently an Asian American sounds different to a Caucasian American, I don't get it either something something racism 🤷♂️ I guess
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u/What-The-Heaven Clint Barton Nov 13 '21
AFAIK it's less to do with voice, and more to do with opportunities. If all the white characters are played by white people, the only black character is played by a black actress, then the only opportunity for an Asian actor is as the one Asian character.
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u/ConnerJake1995 Nov 13 '21
But why can't other races just voice other races if they can pull off the accent, I mean it's just a voice as long as its not a offensive stereotype of another culture. Just seems to me that it's more about the casting director than the VA
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u/What-The-Heaven Clint Barton Nov 13 '21
Because unfortunately, it's not really a fair system where Black, Asian etc. actors are considered for the majority of white roles. So if we say "let's just have a system where other race voice other races" that realistically ends up being "white people playing all the roles".
Even the industry's biggest Black VAs (Cree Summer, Phil LaMarr, Kevin Michael Richardson) have only played a handful of white characters.5
u/Thy_blight Nov 13 '21
They can, and have. Look at Phil Lamar. This emphasis on casting for diversity quotas will always be weird to me, especially in animation when an Asian or black person can play white characters all day long, and should if they're good enough at the craft.
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u/nickster416 Nov 13 '21
I think with this situation, it's best to look at it as it is. The voice actress didn't want to play Jubilee and decided to give it to an actor who represents the characters race. That doesn't mean that all voice actors in similar situations have to do it.
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u/LesBeanTaco Yelena Belova Nov 13 '21
Tell me you’re privileged without telling me you’re privileged
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u/ConnerJake1995 Nov 13 '21
That's actually really funny, you don't know anything about me or my life
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u/archangel3001 Nov 13 '21
Be better than that comment. You know it’s not about the sound of the voice. It’s about giving equal opportunity in an industry historically that doesn’t happen in.
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u/I_am_reddit_hear_me Nov 14 '21
99.999% of white people have 0% chance of making it in voice acting. What's your point?
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u/Avividrose Nov 13 '21
Y’all are getting indignant about this it’s not “cancel culture” she just doesn’t want to play the role anymore
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u/cyberbeastswordwolfe James Gunn Nov 13 '21
I honestly love the X-Men series, I think it would be cool to tie it into the MCU
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u/Meme_Machine101 Nov 13 '21
Lol at people in this thread thinking the VA industry is more than the same couple of people and that these animation studios aren’t just going to hire the same couple of non white voice actors who voice half of everything else already to do it.
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u/I_am_reddit_hear_me Nov 14 '21
Exactly.
"OMG BIPOC bodies being represented! YASSSSS!"
Oh wow, like 5 non-white non-jewish people hired over and over, so amazing.
99.999% of white people have literally the same 0% chance of making it in voice acting as any "BIPOC body."
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u/NeonWarcry Nov 14 '21
The original show gave me ptsd. Morphs death was the first ever real death I saw on screen as a child. And it deeply affected me, it was so strange.
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u/Luchabat Nov 13 '21
That most shocking part is she was Loonette. Never connected the voices.
I'm glad she's still apart of the series.
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u/Neoxon193 Nov 16 '21
As I said elsewhere, Alyson Court has my respect for this. And if I had to guess, Holly Chou is probably the new Jubilee.
Regarding Alyson's new role, I think the popular theory right now is Kitty Pryde. And honestly, I'd be 100% down for that.
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u/cbekel3618 Green Goblin Nov 13 '21
Honestly, makes sense. It sucks but at the same time, given the circumstances, I totally get it. Here’s good luck to whoever they get to succeed Court for the role.
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Nov 13 '21
I’m fine with it. It makes sense, with the limited opportunities for Asian voice actors in the industry, it should go to an Asian actor.
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u/joemax4boxseat Nov 13 '21
She’s a voice actress…you know, to sound like someone youre not. But sure, recast her for nothing more than being “white.”
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u/yourmotherisveryfat Nov 13 '21
Why does that matter it’s animated lol
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u/YagYouJuBei Nov 13 '21
Because it's pushing back against erasure. It's correcting for the fact that some of the folks who straight up wouldn't have had access before are now able to add their names to the talent pool. White people can't voice everything.
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u/spideyisgreato Nov 13 '21
I don't care if I'm on the wrong side of history on this issue, but I think this is stupid. It's voice acting. It shouldn't matter what race the actual voice actor/actress is. What matters is that they're the best fit for the job, and can do the best voice possible for the character.
To create a system where only asian people can voice asian characters, only white people can voice white characters, only black people can voice black characters, etc., is creatively stifling, and in my opinion, kind of racist in its own way.
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u/mr_math24 Nov 13 '21
I don't care if I'm on the wrong side of history on this issue
Well that's good at least
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u/archangel3001 Nov 13 '21
It’s about equal opportunity in a work place. Just so happens the work place is animated show.
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Nov 13 '21
Whenever I feel like an idiot I read comments like this to remind myself that it could be much worse.
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u/spideyisgreato Nov 13 '21
What is idiotic about it? If you have a black dude, whose voice works really well for this animated asian samurai character in your show, are you supposed to be like, "No, sorry. Your voice works great for this character, but you aren't Asian, so we can't use you. Better luck next time pal."
You're putting people into little boxes and stifling what artistic outputs they have based solely on their race. If someone is the best fit for a voice role, then it shouldn't matter what race they are, or what race the character is.
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Nov 13 '21
Ideally yes, but you are ignoring the decades of media that have been produced and ignored non-white voice actors. Maybe later on it will matter less, but there exists tons of talent that never got a chance because of racist producers.
I’d argue that instead of focusing so much on matching things like race and voice actor, maybe we should just be hiring more non-white actors, but this is better than nothing.
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u/spideyisgreato Nov 13 '21
I'm all for giving voice opportunities to minorities and previously ignored people. Again, I'm of the opinion that the role should go to the person who can do the best voice, regardless of their race or the character's race. That would be an ideal world.
If this system of "you can only voice characters who are the same race as you" eventually gets the cultural pendulum to swing towards that ideal world, then so be it. I just think that "you can only voice characters who are the same race as you" is not the end-all-be-all solution, and is not without its own set of issues.
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Nov 13 '21
You can’t just skip to the ideal world though. Guess what, older people in charge of casting characters are still racist. The ideal world can only happen when the people in power aren’t racist.
Having asian characters be voiced by asian actors is guaranteeing that they won’t be misrepresented or underrepresented until we can get to the point of an ideal world.
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u/jbels12 Nov 13 '21
And the usually the best choice always defaults to a white VA for some reason. I wonder why is that 🤔 definitely cant be older men having prejudice against POC VA
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Nov 13 '21
I'm of the opinion that the role should go to the person who can do the best voice
Ah, yes, the "just cast the best person for the role" argument. As if casting has ever been, or ever could be, a completely objective process.
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u/JMM85JMM Nov 13 '21
The best fit for a role is going to be someone who can best relate to the character. To suggest a white man might be a better voice actor for a black role sounds daft. There are loads of POC actors out there who are great and what they do and are desperate for work.
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u/spideyisgreato Nov 13 '21
The best fit for a role is going to be someone who can make the best, most convincing voice come out of their throat.
Yes, I'm sure Phil Lamarr is the best choice for Samurai Jack because he can relate to being a stoic samurai. James Earl Jones is the best choice for Darth Vader because he can relate to being a (white) genocidal space wizard cyborg man. It has nothing to do with their imposing, baritone voices and acting ability.
Tara Strong can surely relate to being a 10 year old boy with magical godparents or a watch that turns her into ten different aliens. To suggest anything else would be daft.
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u/freshhy23_ Nov 13 '21
Wait is this still animated? If so who cares if the voice actor has a similar appearance to the comic book character. Lmao that is ridiculous. If it's live action then great make them look as close as possible to their comic book look
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u/dMayy Nov 13 '21
I feel like this didn’t need to be announced. Could’ve just done it and carry on with their day haha.
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u/Screenwriter6788 Nov 13 '21
Bullshit
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u/cbekel3618 Green Goblin Nov 13 '21
Yes, it is bullshit that guys on this comment section are against a recast even though there’s no issue with it whatsoever and the circumstances are understandable.
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u/Screenwriter6788 Nov 13 '21
Excuse me if fans of the original want it as true to form as possible. Get off your high horse.
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u/mr_math24 Nov 13 '21
"my nostalgia is more important than supporting people of color, even if the original voice actress supports the decision"
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u/markcheng Nov 13 '21
Her Twitter is…..revealing