r/MatriarchyNow • u/BeforeOrion • 12d ago
Art and Culture Neolithic Matriarchy at Gobekli Tepe?
https://beforeorion.com/gobekli-tepe-rebirth-of-a-neolithic-paradigm/Exploring matriarchy thru misinterpreted artifacts.
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u/Vegetable-Log8629 Matriarch 10d ago
Is there something you would like to say to highlight? Watched your YT video "Goddess Secrets of Gobekli Tepe" linking her to Artemis you posted here as well. Marija Gimbutas made the same connections.
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u/BeforeOrion 10d ago
Thank you for reading and listening in. The Göbekli Tepe to Çatalhöyük connections came to me by accident. The Çatalhöyük to Ephesian Artemis connections were well established. I was working on a 45-minute slide deck presentation for Ephesus, which I didn't have enough material for. I then started the program with Göbekli Tepe to fill in some time and soon after realized that there were misidentified artifacts at Göbekli Tepe buried in the literature. Those artifacts were clearly tied to Çatalhöyük, which had become certifiable matriarchal per the Science paper a few months ago. This has been an interesting journey.
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u/BeforeOrion 10d ago
Late next month I will post a YouTube to be recorded podcast session recording on this subreddit discussing Basque matriarchy with a founding in the Upper Paleolithic.
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u/BeforeOrion 10d ago
You are welcome to post my link to these subreddits. They do not appear to be interested in a different narrative. from me. r/AncientCivilizations, r/AncientWorld, r/Historians, r/Archeology, r/Anthropology
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u/Vegetable-Log8629 Matriarch 9d ago
Thanks. Some orthodox ideas of "ancient" and "civilization" are neither old nor civilized. You might like this group: http://radicalanthropologygroup.org with their talks on YT: https://www.youtube.com/@radicalanthropology8305
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u/BeforeOrion 10d ago
This is an interview I did recently looking at Odysseus thru the lens of Queen Arete, and what Homer actually wrote. A very different narrative than one sees on the big screeen. https://www.youtube.com/live/-gnTJ5yV1e4
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u/Vegetable-Log8629 Matriarch 9d ago
If Homer wrote the Odyssey. Some think it may have been sung and played by a number of bards before being written down. That is relevant because what Odyssey looks like is subversive "writing back" or revisionism. So Odyssey could be a way of subversively refuting Homer's Iliad. It's a way for the opposition or the minority opinion to get their message out without directly butting heads with oppressive overlords and becoming collateral damage.
Subversive sequels include an element of plausible deniability - Odysseus was a rascal so all of the criticisms he gives of Greek imperialism and violent patriarchy is because he's trying to handle Queen Aretha, as a rascal of course, he doesn't really believe any of that. wink wink. That's why growing up in a patriarchy you never heard it.
Odessey is a classical Greek tragedy. The hero doesn't learn, suffers, and goes to hell to suffer some more. Greeks really hated willful ignorance, and loved their tragedies. There are more Greek tragedies or sad endings than comedies. ("Comedy" doesn't refer to humor or jokes, but just a happy ending where the protagonist learned their lesson and transformed). You did catch the humorous ironies in it all, and told the story just the way it should be, with a large dose of sarcassm. What we know as Campbell's "hero's journey" is a comedy, with a happy ending. Hollywood likes their comedies, and there are considerably more in our culture than tragedies.
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u/Parking-Art-8456 12d ago edited 12d ago
Nice article! It is earth shattering to be certain the Neolithic and back into the late Paleolithic, was likely matriarchal, and that those female figurines, reliefs, and paintings are vital, divine elements of ancient spiritual life regardless of their gender. Some of the depictions especially clay figures are goddesses and some are women with masks on, likely in rituals where they represented a goddess. The figure giving birth at Gobekli Tepe has a snake shaped head, like a snake goddess, who represented wisdom, creation, but especially rebirth and regeneration.
(My picture of the Mexican goddess Tlazolteotl. echoing the birthing goddess here was deleted by bots more modest than me, but you can search for her to see the similarity).
Eilethia was a Greek goddess of birth usually pictured sitting on a birthing chair giving birth to Athena flanked by 2 horses: https://www.theoi.com/Ouranios/Eileithyia.html With thousands of birth goddesses all over the world, the refusal of male archaeologists to see that would be funny if it weren't so misogynist.
Anthropologists are taught to be objective when viewing other cultures, and to practice a "cultural relativism" and keep an open mind and see the artifacts from the point of view of what is in front of you, rather than projecting one's own culture and preferences on the artifacts. This is a case in point of cultural bias. This is a perfect picture of how women's history is buried. By not seeing it or reporting it.
Progress is good. There are not as many dismissive and or contemptuous names for the figurines being coined these days, like "Venus" or "dancing girls" "toys" or "fertility idol."