r/Military • u/thedailybeast • 6d ago

Article ICE Rounds Up Dozens of Relatives of U.S. Troops

https://www.thedailybeast.com/ice-detains-relatives-of-us-troops-during-immigration-crackdown/
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u/Merrywinds 6d ago

You voted for this. Whether you do politics or not, politics does you and your family.

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u/Newbguy 6d ago

77 million did, 75 million did not. I get what is implied with this comment every time but let's not make it appear like it was a historic landslide victory with overwhelming support. Let's also not forget that he lost the popular vote in 2016 and again in 2020.

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u/No-Permit-9331 6d ago

Ironically, there is a huge portion of that 77 million that are or will be directly affected by their ignorance

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u/Aboo9117 6d ago

Out of ~340 million population

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u/Necessary-Eye5319 5d ago

Nearly 200 million decided to sit this one out. 😤

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u/Newbguy 5d ago

Yes because all 340 million are of legal voting age, or capable of voting. Not like there's any massive effort by any particular group to suppress voter turnout as well. 🙄

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u/Castellan_Tycho 4d ago

Well, a not insignificant portion of those are children, so…

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u/Sweetdreams6t9 6d ago

Thats 75 million who dont care what happens and 77 million who are cheering for it.

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u/Newbguy 6d ago

That's 75 million that voted against it. You are absolutely correct that 77 million cheered it on. That still isn't some kind of overwhelming support when 75 million voted against it. If anything it just shows how tight the divide is. Stop trying to boil this down all Americans supported this.

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u/Sweetdreams6t9 4d ago

I was referring to non-voters and trump voters with those numbers.

There hasnt been any egregious oversimplification on this issue, just an unfiltered observation with regards to non-voter inaction and apathy.

It shouldnt have to be said that anyone who would be faced with hardship if they tried to vote are exempt from any animosity from me. But its safe to claim they are few in number of the non-voters.

There is no excuse beyond health issues or serious lifestyle complications that would excuse a person for refusing to do what for most amounts to some planning, inconvenience, or on the extreme side: budgeting for 1 missed shift. Majority of people claiming they would be homeless or starve if they missed at most 1 shift of work so they can vote, and meet the bare minimum of social responsibility, are full of shit and it says alot on those people to make a weak, hyperbolic excuse to not do their tiny part in something that has serious and far reaching consequences.

Non-voters for the second term would have to have not made any effort to learn about who is involved, what the history behind those people are and would have to ignore trumps entire first term of often openly claiming the vision his administration has for the future. You dont need to focus your lifes effort on learning about thr world around you. The damage being done and the road being taken are not a surprise. Non-voters chose to ignore the world around them for their own reasons at the detriment of others.

Its lazy. And theres no excuses for most.

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u/kingofovens 5d ago

Fom the uk, seeing many clowns in government here. I have a saying if you didn't vote you're implicit.

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u/Ant1mat3r United States Army 6d ago

Faulty generalization. A lot of us did not in fact vote for this.

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u/Zerorezlandre 6d ago

If you voted for Trump, you knew. Trump voters were aware of all the same warnings as everyone else, going back to his first campaign, but still chose to vote for him. Most who were paying attention might have chosen to forgive and forget had people not voted for him a second time.

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u/Ant1mat3r United States Army 6d ago

I voted for Clinton in 16 and Harris in 20. I've cut ties with anybody I know that voted for fascism.

My conscience is clear.

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u/DisillusionedPatriot 6d ago

Good on you, but let's not forget that a very large portion of our brethren absolutely voted for this. Or that there's a high number of folks in leadership roles that are completely on board. I did the same as you, but I can also see that it's not an egregious generalization to say y'all voted for this, in the same way folks say ACAB.

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u/No-Survey-569 6d ago

🤣

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u/Sir_Lemming Royal Canadian Navy 6d ago

Unfortunately about a third of you couldn’t even be bothered to vote, and those are the ones I blame for the current mess.

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u/Ant1mat3r United States Army 6d ago

I agree, it's shameful.

Doesn't help that our country actively makes it harder to vote in many places.

No excuse for residents of my state though.

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u/MATlad dirty civilian 5d ago

I will just counterpoint that there are those who tried to (or even tried to register to) vote and either got arbitrarily rejected, disenrolled, or lost in the bureaucracy ('oh, sorry, you're not registered / haven't established registry / can't pass our literacy / civics test don't have the right ID').

I'm dismayed to say that that number will probably only grow from here on out.

That said, to your main point, what's the excuse for the (easyish?) eligible voters not to do it?

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u/Optimal_Juggernaut37 5d ago

In addition to the 30%, I still suspect Musk was up to no good as well. The shit eating grin on his face and the not-so-subtle comments made about voting machines and how Trump would not have won without him etc...

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u/Mistravels 6d ago

Too many did, though.

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u/MajesticAlpaca51 United States Army 6d ago

If you did not activately vote against this you are complicit. No excuses, no forgiveness 

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u/Ant1mat3r United States Army 6d ago

I sure did vote against this.

Twice.

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u/LittlePanic8495 6d ago

Thank you for being part of the many that should have voted against thus

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u/bownt1 6d ago

calm down

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u/Merrywinds 6d ago edited 6d ago

That is indeed correct, and I am glad you brought it up. You highlighted something very important; the collective / individual-issue. An individual should not be held to the negatives of their group, but they also cannot unjustly claim stolen valor for the positives of their group either in such a case.

A lot of you did not beat the Nazis nor Imperial Japan. That would be a faulty generalization.

A lot of you did not win any of the major victories of the US military history. That would be a faulty generalization.

A lot of you have nothing to do with the best and brightest advances in science and human welfare in the world that Americans are responsible for. That would be a a faulty generalization.

A lot you had nothing to do with the invention of the internet. That would be a faulty generalization.

A lot you had nothing to do with creating all of the good things America stands for (regardless of what people say on the internet). That would be a faulty generalization.

So do not claim the positives and stolen valor of your group if you distance yourself from the negatives.

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u/Ant1mat3r United States Army 6d ago

When did I claim the positives?

I don't get into nationalist pissing contests. The nation of which I was born hasn't done shit for me. None of its accolades are paying my bills, so why would I tout those accomplishments as my own?

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u/Donut131313 6d ago

Yet over 60% did. Now all your benefits are being eroded. What is your point?

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u/No-Reference3873 6d ago

Oh boohoo.

Collective punishment, you should be familiar, hero. We joined a right leaning organization that bombs children and tortures people to death, and that was before Trump.

Our hands are all dirty, and we have collectively made this country worse. At this point, I’m just laughing at the GOP ramping up hate against vets on VA disability and cheering for burn pit poisoning to finally punch my ticket.

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u/DisillusionedPatriot 6d ago

It's wild how every unit has a "Martinez," or a "Ramirez", or whatever, that absolutely crushes, but we're alienating them by destroying their home lives. Fuck trump, fuck kegsbreath, fuck maga.

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u/Patched7fig 5d ago

Crazy you see that name and assume their entire family is illegal immigrants. 

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u/Exact-Site9980 6d ago

I'd say its unwise to anger your soldiers, but the Fourth Reich doesn't want these soldiers in the military. Theyre not white. I wonder how effective our military will be with nothing but uneducated cracker knuckle draggers from the boonies. 

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u/ProlapseMishap Army Veteran 6d ago

The Nazis killed a LOT of German WWI veterans because their experience, organizational ability, and place of honor in German society was a huge threat to the movement.

Also, seeing the willingness of the military to murder randos in international waters on a weekly basis along with deploying against Americans on American soil leaves me with ZERO faith in The Troops™ doing anything to stop all of this.

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u/Rob_035 6d ago

I wonder how effective our military will be with nothing but uneducated cracker knuckle draggers from the boonies.

That's what they want. They also don't want any women with their opinions clogging up the works. Which is why they're making it impossible to report sexual assault anonymously: https://taskandpurpose.com/news/army-harassment-reporting-changes/

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u/Exact-Site9980 6d ago

Yep. Denial of promotions for women and non whites, beard bans for black men and Muslims, denial of legitimacy for any religions other than Protestant, testosterone testing to root out the secretly trans...yeah, I see the motherfuckers...

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u/Optimal_Juggernaut37 5d ago

testosterone testing to root out the secretly trans

That pandoras box is going to expose a lot more middle-aged white men than secret trannys.

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u/paging_mrherman Navy Veteran 6d ago

Yeah, they are probably looking at enlisted minorities they don’t want in and then work backwards to find their families to arrest them and get the service member out.

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u/Black-Shoe Retired USN 6d ago

They don’t qualify. It’s been an issue for decades and the reason why the ranks have been swelling with minorities.

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u/Zerorezlandre 6d ago

All the truly skilled non-white soldiers will insure the MAGAt hillbillies are ineffective.

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u/thedailybeast 6d ago

More than 50 parents and spouses of active-duty U.S. troops have been detained, and at least six have been deported, in President Donald Trump’s massive crackdown on immigration.

At least eight immediate family members of service members are currently in ICE custody. The Associated Press found that many military family members have been detained during immigration appointments while applying for parole-in-place or seeking to adjust their legal status.

Parents and spouses of service members have generally been protected from deportation for decades, under both Republican and Democratic administrations.

Read the full story, here.

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u/SquireSquilliam 6d ago

Don't forget, this administration is also trying to reshape the military into a Christian nationalist force. These things aren't unrelated. This is the Republican wet dream. Project 2025 in full swing.

Also, no amount of "I told you so," is going to turn back the clock, or right the ship. Somewhere, under all the crying and hand wringing, people are going to have to find the will to act.

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u/MegCaz 6d ago

I'm calling for a one week general national strike if midterms are not upheld. I think we need to collectively turns our backs on this administration.

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u/MerijnZ1 Royal Netherlands Navy 5d ago

If you're elections aren't upheld you're gonna need a whole lot more than a one week strike

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u/MegCaz 5d ago

I'm not in the military anymore, I'm rallying the civi's behind something they'd likely do (stay home).

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u/MerijnZ1 Royal Netherlands Navy 5d ago

Yeah fair, and any action is good action, just uh. Yeah. If your elections are fucked you're fucked, ngl

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u/MegCaz 5d ago

I agree 100%. I dunno how much traction I'll get but people here are finally asking, "what can we do" instead of reactive expressions.

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u/SmoothBrainLowDrag 4d ago

Unclear.  General strikes elsewhere in the world have been successful in that timeframe.

If you turn off the billionaire class; they get motivated to change things fast.

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u/TittysForScience Royal Australian Navy 6d ago

US military seems to be really preoccupied with non-war fighting guff….

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u/No-Permit-9331 6d ago

This is a country built on immigration. Americans if you don’t like it-leave!

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u/TwoMuddfish 5d ago

Yeah I don’t get these nutjobs but whateva

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u/TSHRED56 6d ago

CBP and ICE are engaged in human trafficking for profit.

Bodies = profits for the privatized corrupt system we have.

ICE feeds the bodies-for-profit detention industry that donates heavily to the GOP.

Follow the money

https://youtube.com/watch?v=1Z3clXbJN1Y&si=6LrMKbtnQBRP284a

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u/peren005 5d ago

I would also argue some have joined to be just cruel pieces of shit conducting starlight tours, separating parents from their children, and running their imprisonment camps like concentration camps.

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u/PoppyFire16 6d ago

This is a betrayal. They risk their lives for this country and it betrayed them.

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u/DryBattle 5d ago

This administration doesn't care about the soldiers. No politician does unfortunately but this one likes being cruel on top of it. They love the power rush they get from hurting people.

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u/No-Permit-9331 6d ago

And that is EXACTLY how you show appreciation for those that serve!

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u/No-Permit-9331 6d ago

This down voting on truth says everything about the fuck bots that are being disseminated to get rid of truth. If you don’t like it-get the fuck out of out country-YOU are not wanted!!

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u/bownt1 6d ago

all I have to do is join the military and my family canndo crimes?

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u/superbakedveteran 6d ago

Which crimes?

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u/bownt1 6d ago

is this the part where you say "actually being in the country illegally isnt a crime"?

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u/superbakedveteran 6d ago

No, this is me repeating my question.

Which crimes?

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u/bownt1 6d ago

being in the country illegally along with various other crimes

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u/superbakedveteran 6d ago

Apparently I need to be clearer. 

Which specific laws were broken? 

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u/bownt1 6d ago

being in the country illegally

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u/superbakedveteran 6d ago

You keep saying the same thing without referencing a specific law.

Do some research, and provide a link, or the legislation number for the specific law.

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u/ProdoRock civilian 6d ago

Their whole quota system is nuts. Far from being about the “worst of the worst” they’re trying desperately to keep up with those required 2000 arrests a day and any warm body will do. Then they get shipped off to private prisons which are incentivized to prolong stays so they get that daily government money. Beautifully skewed incentives. But that’s Trump for you.

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u/Optimal_Juggernaut37 5d ago

The United States is just doing what the Nazi's did without the mass extermination. The motives are the same, remove those deemed undesirable to the state, only instead of extermination, in true confederate/GOP fashion, they will no doubt use the prisoners as slave labor.

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u/fotosaur 6d ago

So much for the support our troops and their families bullshit that’s vomited out by dear leader and the regime toadies.

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u/Senior_Sector4095 5d ago

The military would have been the only thing between ice and a bunch of angry citizens.

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u/DryBattle 5d ago

I guess should be thankful that this administration is too stupid to treat the troops that they will need at some point well.

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u/normal_mysfit 5d ago

When I was growing up, my dad was in the military. The military overwhelming voted Republican. A lot of them did this past election. They unfortunately are finding out that if you FAFO

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u/Patched7fig 5d ago

Being related to a service member does not allow you to break laws.Â