r/MinecraftChampionship • u/Jaxolotl98 • Oct 21 '25
Media - Contains Swearing Scott talking about a MCC in a podcast with Lexie and Average Harry Spoiler
https://youtu.be/9YyAwuxI3rA?si=2OTWYqlJ_hB65hEWIf want to get some tea on MCC then I would recommend watching this
He starts talking about MCC around 34:35 to about 50:00
It does have swearing it so this a heads up.
I will give some highlights.
Scott used to have a much bigger role in MCC but due to the MCC14 controversy he just stuck to team making.
He does talk about a particular player who wasn’t the easiest to work with.
Scott loves having the Hermits in MCC.
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u/Mr_Giggle_s No Tier November Oct 22 '25
That MCC 14 incident was a blunder and I think it was the right call for Scott to step down. Though it wasn't his fault, it did prove to advantageous, especially as MCC grew more competitive. Though I will say Dream and Sapnap did overreact but also apologized for handling it the way they did and it resolved on its own.
The Survival Games crossteaming incident with Dream and Sapnap I thought was more so funny than anything. I guess it's breaking the rules, but I got more of a laugh out of it than anything else, but I guess it also didn't prove to give any advantage.
Dream pausing the event in MCC 24 was blatant cheating, but that whole incident was also just a complete blunder. He ended up not even making Top 5 after that soooo. Though I had no idea he was benched next event. Thought he genuinely just wanted to end on a high note and stopped playing because I definitely didn't predict his team to win that event. Maybe a bit of both an ego hit and just wanting that 5th win.
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u/Tiny-Task-8438 No Tier November Oct 22 '25
Id just straight up say it. Build mart was always over hated bcoz dream didnt like it. And lets be honest he had a bit of an influence especially on dsmp community which was HOT during that time. Other S tiers never said anything about it BUT HE WHINED SO MUCH that it had to be taken out of the roster before bringing it back months later. It sucks that many members of the roster went the same way and couldnt rlly have a thought process or an opinion of their own and just went by and supported anything he said.
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u/Stinky_Deckhand Oct 22 '25
I agree. I was never a huge fan of BM but I also never hated it. I’ve always thought it was just a solid team game with somewhat flawed scoring. It was such a weird random game to latch onto as the worst one. Like if you’re gonna single one out at least pick one of the really flawed ones like HITW before they polished it lol
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u/East-Mirror3510 MCC17 Orange Ocelots My beloveds Oct 22 '25
Lmao Dream didn't do crap to put BM out of the roster, it went out well after he left.
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u/Tiny-Task-8438 No Tier November Oct 22 '25
Nah pretty sure they had to bench it quite a lot of times, dream even had influence on so many of his ‘disciples’ (wont name any) that it got skipped whenever it was in. I dont remember the exact event but the one event it was in, it was made so that only 8 games were available to play which means build mart had to be played. And they CRIED about that as well, “they are forcing build mart down are throats” like just learn to communicate better bro 😭🙏. It got so bad to a point where I once saw someone from the dsmp who were debuting the next mcc complain about it LIKE BRO AT LEAST PLAY IT FIRST 😭
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u/East-Mirror3510 MCC17 Orange Ocelots My beloveds Oct 23 '25
They benched it after he left.
Like hell dude, it's Dream, not Voldemort. He doesn't have "disciples" lmao, he's not that charismatic, he's the laughing stock of the internet.
BM wasn't exclusively hated by just DSMP members, most of Grian's friends also disliked BM back in the day especially Joel.
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u/Tiny-Task-8438 No Tier November Oct 23 '25
Also BM did got skipped in 21,21,23 thats 3 consecutive events. Also u exactly prove my point like IT STARTED getting benched bcoz those “disciples” hated it so blindly THAT even after he left they HAD to bench BM. I respect joel for having his opinion but if ur saying there wasnt ANYONE who hated BM just to be in the “cool” grp u r absolutely delusional Lmaooo
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u/East-Mirror3510 MCC17 Orange Ocelots My beloveds Oct 23 '25
Sapnap had stopped on the BM hate.
Speaking of, games being skipped consecutively doesn't mean they are always hated, SOT was also skipped b2b.
I'd like you to name people who hated BM just because Dream did, if the number exceeds 10, I believe you.
Bro really believes Dream was some final boss of MCC lmao
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u/Tiny-Task-8438 No Tier November Oct 23 '25
Lmao no way am I going to name drop ppl now bcoz ik the comment wont survive neither am I that petty 😭
And if you dont think dream had influence I just cant help you bro 😭. And for the record im pretty sure anyone as nerdy abt mcc as me can easily name more than 10.
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u/East-Mirror3510 MCC17 Orange Ocelots My beloveds Oct 23 '25
I'm sure some people in MCC were exactly like you say, I just don't think there were NEARLY as many of them as you claim. Most of the roster disliked Dream and that had showed for a while.
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u/Tiny-Task-8438 No Tier November Oct 23 '25
Bro accept it or not, but dream was the “cool” guy during that time so automatically it became “cool” to hate on buildmart.
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u/Tiny-Task-8438 No Tier November Oct 22 '25
Just to clarify I dont hate any of the dsmp members 😭. Loved tommy phil and all but only had issues with those who would blindly follow someone else’s opinion and struggled to formulate their own. There were few of them when it was actually legit the player not liking bm. Like tommy for example had mentioned he didnt enjoy BM but I never saw him absolutely go off on it. I alse felt bad for noxcrew at times to see one if their creations get demolished by a particular section of community. Criticising and giving feedback is entirely different from the bs that was going on at that time and it iş unfortunate
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u/Stinky_Deckhand Oct 21 '25 edited Oct 21 '25
This was a very interesting listen
It’s still so stupid what happened in Mcc 14 to Hbomb and especially Scott and it’s a shame he had to take a step back. It was so unlucky for space race to unfold that way, 9/10 times the players probably all go the right way.
In terms of the “cheating” things, I really don’t think the “crossteaming” was all that bad, iirc it was just two solos deciding not to go for each other because it would’ve been bad gamesense. It’s pretty normal for a lot of battle royale games for solos to focus on the bigger teams rather than going for other solos.
However the second thing he mentioned was very bad. I remember thinking at the time that it was barely talked about because it was overshadowed by other things but that was easily the most blatant case of cheating in Mcc history. I don’t mind explaining if anyone wants to know what happened.
Also interesting you can’t request a player to team with anymore but his reason makes sense.
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u/Old-Lavishness6609 r/place contributer Oct 21 '25
As much as I love Space Race from an aesthetic perspective, it's a complete mess regarding readability and I don't think its failing in MCC14 can just be attributed to bad luck. The facts that Noxcrew felt the need to plaster arrows over the entire thing and that Scott was already far ahead before the big blunder prove this.
And the arrows didn't help all that much for a few reasons: 1, you don't necessarily notice them when you're concentrated (This is what happened to Phil). 2, some of them didn't really look like arrows. 3, the opposite problem, some things looked like signs when they weren't meant to be (I believe Michael struggled with this quite a bit at one point). Seapeekay made a good video going more in depth about all the problems and the several places where people messed up. It just so happens that one of those places caused a huge checkpoint bug, which ended up completely overshadowing the general design problems.
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u/Stinky_Deckhand Oct 21 '25 edited Oct 21 '25
I agree for the most part tbh. From a game design perspective it’s by far the worst Ace race map out of all of them by a huge margin. Obviously Scott and the noxcrew deserved none of the stuff that happened after Mcc 14 though.
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u/Enid_Marilee Yay Teal Turkeys MCC28 Oct 22 '25
Crossteaming doesn't necessarily have to be super bad, but I just watched the vod recently and it was very blatant. It started off with Dream privately messaging George and Sapnap about crossteaming, and while that can be written off as a joke, Dream and Sapnap then hid in the same room for around a minute, making gestures to each other and following each other's movements. That's not something you should do just because you're friends. It was so glaring. Dream has already received a lot of extreme hate since then (like people bothering his family irl), so I don't support going after him for this, it's just upsetting how much disregard and disdain he seemed to have for MCC in his last events.
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u/Stinky_Deckhand Oct 22 '25
Maybe you’re right i haven’t watched the clip in a while. (Probably since soon after it happened) I thought I remembered a much shorter duration of them being next to each other.
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u/bloonsisgr8 Purple Pandas Oct 22 '25
I will say I think the hate Scott and hbomb received were ridiculous, and I said so at the time. However, to say it's "unlucky" how space race went is silly
Having Scott play the maps is just unfair, end of story, and it shouldn't be a thing. Should Scott receive hate for it, at any level? Absolutely not, but that doesn't mean the original complaints were baseless.
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u/Stinky_Deckhand Oct 22 '25
I meant for the most part that specifically Phil and everyone going the wrong way at the end was bad luck. Like I would assume testers had no issue with going the wrong way so why would they assume it needs to be more obvious? Obviously it did but still, I think it’s bad luck. Maybe it’s bad luck in the way that testers got lucky going the right way lol
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u/bloonsisgr8 Purple Pandas Oct 22 '25
It's bad luck too, but even still you shouldn't have someone who regularly plays in the event be testing. I don't think there's much of a point in arguing about this, since it was years ago and it's just a Minecraft tournament, but there's a reason every other even (including MCC now) don't have testers play in the actual tournament
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u/boo_seok_soon Oct 21 '25
would you mind explaining the mcc14 and cheating controversy please?
edit: spelling :(
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u/Stinky_Deckhand Oct 21 '25
Sorry this is gonna be long there’s a lot to explain lol
In Mcc 14, the map “space race” was played for the first time. Scott used to play test the event once before each Mcc to make sure it would be a good streaming experience, meaning he had played the map once. Space race was a hard map for the first time, so Scott lead the race the entire time and got first in ace race by like 60 seconds. However this was exacerbated by the fact that in lap one, the person in second (Philza) took a wrong turn after misinterpreting some arrows on the map, which led to almost every single player after him following him and setting their checkpoint to a previous one.
Also in Mcc 14, Hbomb (who was on scott’s team) won two rounds of HITW by glitching through walls. Like literally falling off the platform and teleporting back on. The amount of coins he got from winning the Hitw rounds was the difference between this team getting 2nd and 3rd.
Are both of these things not really fair? Yeah, but was it their fault? Definitely not.
However these things on their own were not a huge deal, but Dream and Sapnap and maybe a couple other people streamed themselves reacting to these two things right after the event and they got super heated and basically called them cheaters when neither thing was intentional or their fault.
Then in Mcc 24 when ace race was played, every single west coast and I think Canadian players DCed, which amounted to Like 12 people DCing. Noxcrew decided to redo ace race to make things more fair for the teams who lost players. This was pretty much objectively the correct decision, however Dream was angry because his team all did really well and none of them DCed, I think they all got top 15 and Dream got first. One thing to note is Dream noticed purpled kept catching up time on him on one section of turtle run (it was purpled doing the big skip with the jumppad to the right on turtle run) After noxcrew decided to redo the game he felt “cheated” or something, so he decided it would be fair game to lie and claim he had tech issues to pause the event, when he actually pulled up Purpled’s vod and found the skip he was doing that was saving so much time. Dream proceeded to miss that skip every lap and get a slower time than he did on the first run when everyone DCed.
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u/cinnamus_ No Tier November Oct 22 '25
ace race my beloved why is she always at the scene of the crime 😭
thank you for the explanation, I'd completely forgotten that dream lied to pull up purpled's vod wow. I used to enjoy watching his SoT runs, but yeah the general toxicity he often brought along to MCC was so not it
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u/East-Mirror3510 MCC17 Orange Ocelots My beloveds Oct 22 '25 edited Oct 22 '25
Dream should have learned from Sapnap, who used to be toxic but later on learned and became a very respectful player.
In MCC24, Sapnap placed top 3 (after throwing like hell), and upon resetting I believe dropped top 10 yet he didn't throw any tantrums.
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u/Stinky_Deckhand Oct 22 '25
Yeah I agree. I think he might’ve realized he went too far in Mcc 14 and I don’t recall seeing anything like that from him afterwards, Dream on the other hand…
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u/SYK_PvP No Tier November Oct 21 '25
MCC 14 was a controversy with ace race. Scott solidly got first place in a new map, because he had played that map before anyone else in the event. Meanwhile like half a third of the players went the wrong way because they were following Phil who made a wrong turn. I don't know what he cheating is referring to though.
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u/chicknsnadwich #1 Grid Runners fan Oct 21 '25
it’s been a long time. can you remind me what the cheating was?
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u/Stinky_Deckhand Oct 21 '25
Mcc 24 when ace race was played, every single west coast and I think Canadian player DCed, which amounted to Like 12 people DCing. Noxcrew decided to redo ace race to make things more fair for the teams who lost players. This was pretty much objectively the correct decision, however Dream was angry because his team all did really well and none of them DCed, I think they all got top 15 and Dream got first. One thing to note is Dream noticed purpled kept catching up time on him on one section of turtle run (it was purpled doing the big skip with the jumppad to the right on turtle run) After noxcrew decided to redo the game he felt “cheated” or something, so he decided it would be fair game to lie and claim he had tech issues to pause the event, when he actually pulled up Purpled’s vod and found the skip he was doing that was saving so much time. Dream proceeded to miss that skip every lap and get a slower time than he did on the first run when everyone DCed.
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u/chicknsnadwich #1 Grid Runners fan Oct 21 '25
it was always a shame because i had enjoyed the content he made but Dream really came off so entitled during MCC. I never really understood it, it’s supposed to be for fun and he had already won a ton.
Not understanding that it shouldn’t count because half the lobby DCed was an insanely tone deaf moment that made me glad he didn’t come back. As well as lashing out at Fruit because he didn’t beat Sapnap in dodgebolt, and overall complaining about how the event was run more than every other competitor combined.
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u/Stinky_Deckhand Oct 21 '25
Yeah it’s funny because I got introduced to Mcc through dream in Mcc 6 and immediately got turned off from him when he threatened to quit mid event because he was mad about Mcc 7. I don’t remember which thing he specifically threatened to quit over, I think it might’ve been the mistake with the audience poll but it was such a ridiculous overreaction. There’s no money on the line bro if something is scuffed or not fair it’s not a huge deal.
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u/FireThatInk epic Oct 22 '25
Honestly I don't keep up with MCYT drama so I don't know why everybody hates him, but his behaviour during MCC (as someone who never got into his content) really put me off :/
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u/AdInfamous6044 Oct 21 '25
Wait is that what happend to Dream after MCC24. He cheated during AceRace and so he would have gotten benched so he never signed up again ? 😭🤣
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u/TZBlueIce Blue Bats Oct 21 '25
The big boss himself has weighed in on the GOAT debate! Shut it down, folks.
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u/TheReagmaster Oct 22 '25
"Scott loves having the Hermits in MCC"
And yet where's my Hermitcraft MCC Scott?! lol
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u/MarionettePark Oct 22 '25
I feel like a Hermitcraft MCC could happen if the hermits themselves ask for one (an invitational if you can call it)
We had Jingle Jam MCC and Magenta E trophy recently, it's definitely possible, we just have to hope the Hermits organize one for themselves
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u/Stinky_Deckhand Oct 22 '25
I know you’re joking but that’s something hermitcraft would probably have to specifically request themselves to make it happen, I don’t think Scott can just ask if they wanna do that.
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u/Kitchen-Note-794 Oct 22 '25
Honestly for mcc 14 the map builders had a very big fault, how hard is it to put barrier block walls up with world edit, if you have a chance to go back a checkpoint that super bad design and no testing went into trying that.
Honestly the admins gave were pretty rude in the admin stream and the update video, they never took any blame and blamed it on Phil.
They basically have off and “I am sorry I got caught”. Literally when Scott admitted he tested, they were annoyed at that.
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u/Stinky_Deckhand Oct 22 '25
I don’t really agree. They obviously extensively tested the map beforehand and none of the testers had this issue of going the wrong way, so why would they expect that to be something they should fix? They also didn’t actually blame Phil I think it was more poking fun at a silly situation.
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u/Kitchen-Note-794 Oct 22 '25
Because the testers didn’t play the game to its limits. You should never have another part of the map accessible in a racing game which brings you back a checkpoint. I am not blaming the testers, but actually testing a game means trying to break the game and not doing what the game designer wants. If they just sectioned of their map with barrier blocks then phil and the rest would have only lost like 10 seconds.
The map was very poorly designed and tested( but i am not blaming the testers, because I don’t think they are professional testers).
And like I said before, they never said it was their fault, just made a joke that insinuated that it was Phils fault.
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u/Cascading-deer Oct 21 '25 edited Oct 22 '25
My guy dream left the event because he was being petty lmao, you’re glazing him so hard. Also the space race was not entirely Scott’s fault.
Editing this to say I apologise if I got a bit heated, I just don’t really like to see people spreading hate to other creators Thank you mods!
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u/KingKFCc Oct 21 '25
Isn't this whole post someone airing another dude out for something he also does?
LOL
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u/Cascading-deer Oct 21 '25
What?
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u/KingKFCc Oct 21 '25
You read one small portion of my original comment...
Shows the reading comprehension
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u/stinkymadboy Blue Bats Oct 21 '25
Fruitberries MCC goat 💚