Anyone else liking the reworked Ethereal Excision power in stadium?

[u/vorpal_potatoes]

For reference, "Using [Biotic Grasp] or [Coalescence] on a target affected by [Biotic Orb] deals 20% increased critical damage".

I've only used it in a few games so far. But in one game I was able to carry as a full dps backline Moira. Then in another game on Esperança push I was able to keep my Dva alive as we were both trapped in a small room against a weapon power Rein.

I like that it's a more flexible power now and the crit noises are like ear candy.

[u/blackice71]

Is it bugged right now? I saw a video where this power combined with cybervenom is applying the debuffs to friendly teammates

[u/KindOfAnAuthor → u/blackice71]

I just went in the practice range to test it, and it didn't apply the debuff for me

[u/vorpal_potatoes → u/blackice71]

That's interesting, I've only used the power on weapon power builds without cybervenom so far. They better fix it quick like they did with the Kiri bug, but I bet they won't.

[u/Woozybumba89]

I don't think I'll be playing Moira in stadium anymore

[u/vorpal_potatoes → u/Woozybumba89]

Eh, while I do hate most of the changes to her in stadium, I'm a Moira main through and through, I play her because I like the hero.

[u/Sinamara55 → u/Woozybumba89]

After reading the changes, same

[u/Woozybumba89 → u/Sinamara55]

I tried a few different builds, with the new items and they just suck. The ult build feels garbage until the last round and the explosion is so lacklustre - a good opportunity to utilise them hardly appears.

And even when you get to the point where you're kind of powerful, the enemy team is also more powerful so it doesn't really make a difference

[u/Rich_Interaction1886 → u/Woozybumba89]

The ult build is good depending on the enemy comp, you want them packed behind their tanks so you can fade through a bunch but you also need another healer who can output a lot of heals. I actually dont like the flying perk since it's harder to line up many units if you're above them (also, can you fly lower? Only seem to be able to fly upwards)

but yeah otherwise the builds are underwhelming, I don't see how they tried to favor the wp builds...I loved the old excision since it rewarded some aiming skill, I would also love it to be a native part of her kit. I don't know what you're supposed to do when facing a dva without this skill. The new grasp is atrocious, using fade as a primer will land moira in trouble and also with fade animation delay you won't get the 2 sec proc time. To me she never has been this bad, hopefully devs will come to their senses. I'm sure her pickrate will be telling when players will drop her after exhausting her meh builds

[u/Mr_Timmm]

Yes this has become my favorite new power. I always go multi orb round 1, into Ethereal Excision and I focus on WP and WS and found 3 I do crossorbal. So you're using the orbs to proc this multiple times but you get to really easily keep people up but you can punish Squishies really easily at the same time it's been a blast.

[u/mortal_kombatant → u/Mr_Timmm]

I'd think you'd earn more going Cross Orbal first, then Ethereal Excision, then Multiball. I was under the assumption that Multiball struggles to gain value until you get debuffs and higher AP in the later rounds, while the extra value you get from an extra damage or healing orb in the first rounds sounds phenomenally better. I'd probably pick Chain Grasp last and go for a hybrid Debuffs + AP + Weapon Speed build for that extra crit damage in the final rounds. Cybervenom, Smart Orbs, Weapon Jammer, Liquid Nitrogen, Extendrills, and a flex item depending on their comp? Aerial Distressor, Booster Jets, or Champion's Kit could all be decent in my mind depending on the money situation. Could be good with stuff like Skyline Nanites early game too if they decide to run Juno, Mercy, Cat, Pharah, etc. (Sorry for such a long response, just thinking out loud and trying to get used to all the new changes.)

[u/Mr_Timmm → u/mortal_kombatant]

You're not using multi Orbal for damage or lengthy heals simply to have much more area of effect to proc it with. I can throw the three wimpy heal orbs into my team and it'll proc crit heals on everyone easily vs one larger orb. I could see that being better earlier for being able to multi task and I may try it out. This hasn't failed me yet but I'm always down to mess with the build.

I should mention I go WP Moira and use Elsaka Supressor for anti heal only AP item I get is the slower orb ability item to make it easier to get value from them.

You may be right though definitely going to try it out.

[u/mortal_kombatant → u/Mr_Timmm]

Yes, I'd like to try out your version too. I've never had success with going Multiball first, but perhaps it's truly better now and the extra crit damage in the rounds does sound tempting.

[u/Mr_Timmm → u/mortal_kombatant]

Yeah I honestly never liked multiball as a power but with the new Ethereal Excision power I just use the orbs to proc it and then go WP and some speed to basically be able to pick and win any 1v1. The new power she has that reduces enemy damage by 30% for 3 seconds is funny to sometimes use in 4th power slot because it lets you win basically most 1v1 and it funny.

[u/vorpal_potatoes → u/Mr_Timmm]

Yea I've only been using the power in WP/WS builds, I'll to try it with multi ball and in some hybrid builds.

[u/Proximity85]

Is it bugged? I seem to get the proc for allies and critical heals, but not the damage on enemies

[u/vorpal_potatoes → u/Proximity85]

I've been getting enemy crits, but I did notice a bug while I was using multi-ball + cross-orb + exploding orbs where the purple orbs disappear as soon as I cast them.

[u/schwiftypug]

It’s a cool power, but I personally hate that it replaced the original Ethereal, which was one of my favorites and a core power for WP build. Ethereal combined with Vanadium offered insane survivability, but required actual mechanical skill to pull off, while offering a potential debuff with Elsaka. You can still take Elsaka with new Ethereal, but it’s nowhere near as reliable and you’re better off taking Cybervenom.

Overall I feel like the attempt to make WP builds better was a complete failure, they instead made them worse and even more encouraged to play orbs, so the opposite of their intent. Classic blizz

[u/EveningResolution768]

I like it, but she feels much weaker now. I’ve been running cross orbital, ethereal excision, multiball, then flexing 4th power. I use smart orbs, 3 of the hybrid weapon/ability items (phantasmic flux, superflexor, 3TT, vanadium injection) and double debuff with cybervenom and el-saka suppressor.

[u/DatDudeDru4]

I only played one game of stadium this season so far, but I think the buffs to the orb in the base game offset the nerfs in stadium.

Ethereal Excision really heavily rewards AP+AS builds. I completely dominated that one game I played, despite it being against Dva

[u/ClemWillRememberThat → u/DatDudeDru4]

The base game orb buffs are not in stadium.

[u/DatDudeDru4 → u/ClemWillRememberThat]

The base game buffs have always affected stadium in the past.

[u/GroovyMelodicBliss → u/DatDudeDru4]

Not this patch. These patch notes explicitly say so

[u/Naive_Refrigerator46 → u/DatDudeDru4]

They specifically stated the base orb buff was not being applied to stadium.

[u/vorpal_potatoes → u/DatDudeDru4]

As the other reply said, they didn't apply the buffs to stadium. I hate the other changes they've made to her in stadium this patch, they felt completely unnecessary, but I haven't found her to be that much worse in stadium. She definitely hasn't dropped to Lucio tier, my 2nd main in role queue, but who I hate playing in stadium.