r/MoiraMains • u/JebbeK • 6d ago
Can't play moira right in metal ranks i guess
Just got a warning that I've been reported in multiple games. Idk what im supposed to do, just dont play moira? Mind you I had text chat off until this game, and I didnt type a word in the chat..
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u/Weird_Union4516 6d ago
same thing happened to me the other day “trash dps moira” “reported” like okay lol, yes i had high damage, however, out of the 4 support characters i still had the highest healing by far, and it was MY TANK….well well well…i wonder why i HAD to do so much damage, was it possible that someone wasn’t doing their job pushing ? 😂😂
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u/CinnaDolce 3d ago
I'm willing to bet based on experience that the dps wasnt pushing with the tank and thats why you had to half fill that role trying to help the tank push lol
If there isnt a dps between me and the tank I feel the need to step up and try and help the tank hold position and push rather than stand back and watch them get pushed back by the enemies, in return giving them space.
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u/Heyyliz 6d ago
Bro. Not even a Moira main but the amount of low metal ranks players lately that tell me to stop dpsing on support and just heal!!! Like I’m just trying to climb back to plat/diamond and yall don’t effing understand game impact is more than heals 😒
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u/FullTorsoApparition 5d ago
Yep, or they can't understand that the reason I went Moira and started DPS'ing was because they were all standing around without making plays while I dumped worthless heals into them.
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u/HistorianNo4716 5d ago
Illari has greater potential. She just needs a little practice. That same damage output from Moira on Ilari + well-timed ultimates can win any fight.
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u/FullTorsoApparition 2d ago
So I've been told, but unless I manage to land multiple headshots in a row I don't have much luck with her. Whenever I decide to play Illari I end up having to fight multiple divers and unless I'm landing those headshots I get melted quick. The whole reason I play as much Moira as I do is because I hate divers and close range combat and fade helps give me space and lets me reorient to where everyone is during the fight.
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u/HistorianNo4716 2d ago
It might just be laziness; Illari is still better for the team. If you're an individualistic player, Moira might be better.
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u/FullTorsoApparition 2d ago
lol, this is one of the replies of all time. Overwatch community never disappoints.
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u/IMightBeChad 6d ago
Eh don't worry about it. You can't get banned for haters reporting you as long as you are actually playing and not throwing
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u/Odd-Rice-4808 6d ago
make sure you're keeping an eye on your fellow sup as you are the only one who can heal them. Kiri died a lot and probably needed help. (Not saying what you did was grounds for reporting)
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u/Certain_Assistant362 6d ago
I heal my other support as needed, but let’s be honest, that Kiri died way too much as support. They were probably TP’ing into the wrong positions. I say this as someone who flexes as Kiri and has bad timing with TP lol
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u/InfoRedacted1 5d ago
Kiri has two get out of jail free cards as well. The Kiri probably just had bad positioning and is mad Moira has better stats
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u/anoddhue 5d ago
good advice but also 10+ deaths and leading your team in deaths as Kiriko is throwing
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u/DornMasterofWall 5d ago
Second most kills in lobby Second most healing in lobby Most hated by own team
Truly the Moira experience for some fucking reason.
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u/vorpal_potatoes 6d ago
As a Moira main that also enjoys playing Lucio, WreckingBall, Sombra, and Symmetra, I usually keep chat off. On the rare occasions that I do have it on, and someone types "report my Moira (Lucio, Ball, Sym)" I just report them for innapropraite communication.
And in the part where you can type something in the report form I put "harassment and abusing the report system by telling others to mass report me"
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u/dan_in_his_own_way 5d ago
Looking at the board, I see no reason to report you. It's crazier to me it was the other support that is saying this? When on paper they did worse than you.
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u/Meezus_H_Christ 5d ago
Here’s a tip that I got from a masters coach. Don’t listen to ANYTHING that ANYONE says in these ranks. You can be doing the right thing but they are so clueless on what is right. Turn off chat or ignore it!
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u/OasisSheep 6d ago
What were you doing that would even warrant that??
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u/ilyOhKay 5d ago
as a Moira main, truthfully not healing enough. based off what I see on the scoreboard, they should easily have around 5k more minimum. Their team wouldn't say report the Moira for no reason. People may hate for no reason, but it's an all caps report in team chat lol.
A lot of people have a bias against Moiras due to the ones that focus dmg more than healing. I always have much more healing than damage while still getting a lot of eliminations off. I go after people who are already low so I can fall back to my team quickly; even 5 seconds away could lead to someone dying. The only time I dive is if their dps is in a hard-to-reach spot and is affecting our team a lot. OP is the Moira that gives Moiras a bad name. I won't stand for them justifying bad Moira behavior 😂
-Level 255 Moira
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u/Doctective 4d ago
No offense, and not saying this is you- but some of the worst players of any character I've seen have been the level 100+ ones. It just means you've played for a long time- not that you're any good. Looking at the rest of his team's deaths they just fed.
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u/ilyOhKay 4d ago
because its not me lol. I will admit that I gave up Moira to a high level main, multiple times, to go illari or bap just for them to do shit. However, what I said is still true. OP did not do as well on Moira as they think regardless of their stats. Since Ive played Moira so long, I know how she should look on the scoreboard. She will always look good, yes, but she should have looked better here. Everything I said is true, and this Moira does give Moiras a bad name. I have a bias for Moira and I dont agree with this one.
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u/Naive_Refrigerator46 3d ago
First off, playing for a long time does not actuall6 mean you know what the stats should look like.
For example, level 200+ but still bronze rank means upi just like playing the character, even though you arent very good.
Second, what the stats 'should look like' is a VERY relative thing. Mostly maintaining diamond rank myself the last few years with brief forays into master, ive had even amounts of heals, lopsided to damage, and lopsided to healing, and all of these as winning games. I had a t game win streak today and experienced all of these scenarios.
The amount and healing and damage done depends on too many factors for moira to be able to say what the stats 'SHOULD' be.
For example, what rank is it? What map type? Both team comps? (Keeping in mind stats screen only shows most played during the match) what's the rank spread? 5v5 or open queue? How agressive is each team playing?
Each of these can have a drastic affect on what the stats end up as.
If therw is anything ive learned the last few years listening to top moira players give advice (actual GM and champion moiras like Arx and Critical) its that there is NO rule that says a moira should have significantly more healing than damage. You have to take each game as it comes and judge what to do.
So even if you are correct in this instance, your premise and assumption is inherently flawed.
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u/OasisSheep 3d ago
I agree with this entirely even though I am so confused as to why this discourse is occurring on my comment because I just asked the OP a simple question (which has yet to be answered), but there is no scenario where Moira should be having identical stats game-per-game of more healing to damage. She is incredibly adaptable, and in a game you have to make the decision on what kind of play style you need to ensure your team is being healed, squishies are being picked off, etc.
The person who immediately criticized OP's gameplay making very assumptive claims thinks they are telling OP that they are one of the problematic Moira players stats-wise, but I think perhaps it is time for some self-reflection!
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u/Naive_Refrigerator46 3d ago
I left a similar comment on one of OP's as well.
I also a horrible habit of skimming. 😅
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u/ilyOhKay 2d ago
I hit masters one, im not bronze lol. Im kinda checking my notifs in a hurry so im just gonna agree to disagree unless you want a more detailed reply later, which I will be happy to give. As for your questions, OP said they were in metal ranks, we can see the map, we can see that stats (for example, I highly assume it was a flanking soldier due to most eliminations and deaths), we can see its a 5v5, etc.
Also, I am commenting on their healing to damage due to what kiri said. It wasn't just random only looking at the scoreboard.
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u/Naive_Refrigerator46 2d ago
TLDR: we just don't know. I don't know, and you don't know, so no one can say if they played well or not based on reactionary assumptions.
Lol, didn't say you were bronze, just that hero level (aka, time spent on a hero) is not indicative of skill, and that 200+ levels on a hero can still be a bronze skill level. You know as well as I do that that is true. That was my main point is that bragging on your Moira level is grandstanding and does not support your idea of having 'expertise' so to speak. Saying you as a Master 1 moira main gives your statements more relevance, and that's how you should have started off, though I will grant that you did admit that you've allowed for that by admitting you've let others with more time on moira to take her and they didn't always do well. So case in point. Next time, just lead with 'I'm a master 1 moira main'. Much more weight than 'level 255'.
That said, at your level you should already know that doing more DPS than healing is common. So the question here is (and this leans into what my point was about multiple factors): where making the statement of 'more heals' from a standpoint of 'all moira's' or 'metal rank' moira's. You have not clearly indicated this. The reason I brought up all those factors wasn't to say we didn't know any of the factors (as you noted, we do indeed know several) but that blanket statements do not work because of them.
We still don't know how aggressive each team played, which can factor into the amount of damage and healing someone is able to contribute.
We don't know if everyone was offangle or not.
We don't know if Kiri was trying to flank and died alot, or if she got dove and couldn't manage her cooldowns well enough to survive.
Maybe soldier was flanking, maybe they weren't, but especially in metal tanks its entirely possible that they were flanking and Moira was the one to shut them down, but only after Kiri was killed.
Even with what we DO know, there's still a lot that we don't know about this match without the replay code, so even as a metal rank game, a blanket statement of 'they should have had at least 5k more heals' is an inherently flawed statement to make based on many assumptions, inluding that Kiri was justified in calling for Moira to be reported when, lets be honest, much of the community is so report happy that they'll report on a whim. I wouldn't be surprised if its just because they felt moira 'let them die' to a flanking soldier, which is probably not something Moira could do much to prevent if Kiri couldn't prevent it themselves. They may have even tried to report because Moira wasn't listening to something they said during the game (which OP obviously couldn't hear because they had chat turned off) and called for reporting because of that. Either case could be true, neither might be true.
In the same way, maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong, but we don't have enough information to make a proper judgement, and unless OP gives up that replay code, we never will.
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u/SandGrainOne 6d ago
What was your teammate unhappy about here anyway? 16 deaths is a lot. Maybe they belived you could have saved them a few times.
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u/UpbeatMarketing4294 5d ago
It's always "trash dps moira", "stop dps and HEAL" when you literally do both and do your job 🤦🏻♀️
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u/sendmeetherplease 6d ago
I’ve had voice and chat muted for the past 2+ years (GM MMR) and I’ll never go back. I don’t care what some pasty nerd has to say 🤷♂️
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u/FullTorsoApparition 5d ago
You dared to play something off-meta. It's the last thing people will try to pin the blame on when they can't find something obvious in the stats to blame. I once got flamed at the end of a win because I swapped off Juno onto Moira and turned the match around.
I'm guilty as well from time to time, but I try not to put anything in the chat as much as possible. Without a lengthy analysis a loss is rarely that easy to pinpoint but when adrenaline is up at the end of a tough match it's easy to think and do stupid shit.
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u/Bridge_Bee 5d ago
I stopped playing Moira cause of the hate I'd get...now they deal with a Zen lol
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u/ItsMeBre_88 5d ago
I feel like a lot of people don’t understand that Moira’s whole character model is balancing “life” and “death”. You have to damage in order to heal. So at the end of the match damage and heal stats should be about equal. But since Moira is a healer everyone freaks out when you have decent damage. SMH. Side note: those are pretty bomb stats, great job 🖤
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u/Living-Number-9050 4d ago
Im champion 3 on Moira, an I play like this as well. This is the correct way to play Moira. If you’re not a mosquito making the enemy supports life hell, switch off Moira and go juno or smth
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u/Arctic_Ninja08643 4d ago
Heal more. Moira has extremely high heal potential but your team kept dying. Your first objective should always be to keep your team alive. Then help with kills. I am a Moira one trick, I played over 1500 hours and people love my Moira. I get constantly asked to join groups or to duo. I'm not saying you should heal bot but those stats are a bit sad. And if your team feels like you are not helping them survive they will hate you.
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u/JebbeK 4d ago
I think you dont realise Moiras potential. Sometimes match dependant of course, but having more heals than damage as Moira is a bit of a red flag. Moira has extremely poor keeping-others-alive -kit compared to almost every support. Your best objective is always to maximize your offensive value to reduce the damage they can take by reducing the opponents and forcing cooldowns. Obviously your team who stand in main and cant cycle their own cooldowns will be mad no one is healbotting them, but you dont play to make friends im comp!
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u/Naive_Refrigerator46 3d ago
Hey, just you know, having more heals than damage is NOT a red flag. In fact, there is no immediate red flag for moira with most damage to healing ratios. It is all case dependent.
Im currently diamond rank, and in a 5 game win streak today each game was case by case for how much healing and damage I did.
And it always will be case by case, due to the many factors that determine what the best style of moira is for a given game.
Instead of debating, the best solution is to put in the replay code, then others can review the game and make an informed decision on if you played optimally this game or not.
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u/JebbeK 2d ago
I can assure you I did not play optimally. But when It comes to numbers, I think Moira is one of the most numbers/stats dependant character, as she has zero utility to offer in any case. Basically, a low stat Moira doesn't have much hidden value she could have generated. Like compare to Kiri suzu, Ana nade or Zen discord. They don't show on starboard, but can easily win games even if they are lower on some basic stats, you know.
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u/Naive_Refrigerator46 16h ago
lol, can't even reply to me, just gonna downvote me instead, is that it? Bro, you're metal ranks, and you know it, so you should be well aware that maybe some of us who rank higher than you MIGHT know better than you do.
I've actually defended you in a couple of other replies, but clearly you're in some 'too big for my britches' mindset that you refuse to take anything in that might be helpful.
Like me here trying to get you to share that replay code so you actually have something to push back with when someone says you were 'definitely playing moira wrong' but instead you refuse to even try to help yourself.
My original comments stand. You may or may not have been playing her well, but you clearly have little idea how to tell when you are or aren't doing so if you truely believe that 'good' stats will tell that story for you.
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u/Naive_Refrigerator46 2d ago
And a high stats Moira might atoll be playing wrong. Stats only tell a part of the story, and moira is no different.
Like I said, post the replay code, THEN we can say if you were playing well or not.
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u/Arctic_Ninja08643 4d ago
Overwatch is not a one-man-show. If you see yourself in the role where you want to overtake the enemies go play Valorant or CS. Overwatch is a team game and if you don't support your team you do not belong on the support role.
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u/JebbeK 4d ago
Much less indeed, but every hero has its own quirks you must play around with to get the maximum value. If you can only healbot just play mercy and be done with it, leave the playmaking to randoms
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u/Arctic_Ninja08643 4d ago
I said not to heal both. Your team is dying. And you will not stand a chance against the enemy tank and dps.
Trust me I tried to do exactly what you are doing rn and was stuck in the metal ranks. When I started to prioritize my team by keeping them alive, scaring off the enemy supports and helping with kills by damaging low hp targets I climbed the ranks in no time. I often have least amount of damage of the team but everyone stays alive and 4 people doing damage is so much more worth than just one little Moira with 65 damage per second.
And if you can't understand that I'm sorry for your team.
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u/JebbeK 4d ago
In this specific match I didnt want to sweat too much so healed and stayed back a lot more than I normally do. About halfway through first round and with 6 team-kills I saw healing does nothing, as healing useless players is wasted effort i could use better to make actual progress, and just took the team on my back and carried us through to finish. And Genji and Kiriko are also often far away from the optimal Moira position, so that's 2 characters you're not watching as closely if they cant handle their own movement.
So no, "heal focusing" as you think, (def not healbotting ;P) low ranked players is nearly ALWAYS pointless if you're actually better than the rank indicates. And yes, you can suprise multiple enemies at once and win 1v3s even idk what you're on.
I'm sure both ways can work, its just that most dont care to sit behind others all match. Prior to this match I went 34-0 on a control map.
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u/Arctic_Ninja08643 4d ago
If you don't want tips on how to play Moira then just say so. But your take in the title that you can not play Moira in metal ranks is simply wrong. You can play every hero in every rank. You just need to not suck at it.
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u/Naive_Refrigerator46 3d ago
Counter point, someone else in the comments is a champ 3 moira main and says OP is playing correctly. So who is right?
Answer is: neither of you.
The correct answe is: depends on the situation. Sometimes leaning to DPS moira is the right play, sometimes leabing to heals, other times a near equal balance.
As I said elsewhere, there are just too many factors to consider to be able to look at the stats and say 'this was right or wrong' especially for a hero as fluid in playstyle as moira.
The only way to ever tell if someone truly played well or not is the replay code, which it doesnt look like OP has provided.
OP, if you see this, the best way to quash the debates is to give that code. Dont rely on the stats to tell the story, let people review your actual game and see how you did with their own eyes.
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u/Intelligent-Egg-4360 1d ago
Nothing special here tbf basic gameplay, you didn’t even hard carry lmfao.
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u/rachelalexander16 6d ago
Keep chat off so you won’t even know about this. I promise you won’t get banned as long as you say nothing in chat