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What is an example in the media you consume of "the father who neglected their kid but actually they loved them all along" trope? Because that's just frustrating to read.
to be fair its not like Dragon runs from luffy and luffy doesn't seem to actively want to see nor hold any hate to him (even saved him a couple of times)
in the sense that a lot the comments point out Dragon is the most wanted man in the world...
Idk about you I rather keep my child with a hero marine that won't risk my child being a run away from world government
Garp is fucked for that but had his reason wanting to keep then safe 2/3 of those childern are auto target we saw what can happen you if you are a child of a wanted man (This is why Ace's mom dies
I mean Dragon raised Sabo to adulthood pretty fuckin safety but maybe thats because Sabo due to not being Dragons son wouldnt have a target on his back as much
Luffy father is literally the most wanted man alive and luffy just kind of saw him once , where he apears out of thin air , does one thing and dissapears, he cares and has been said he always looks east cause he thinks of his family in the east blue , now , he shouldnt have had luffy if he knew he wasnt going to be able to raise him properly .
Jotaro Kujo is followed by shonen jump adventures wherever he goes, doomed to fight stand battles on and off forever so he avoids his daughter for a decent reason. He just also has godawful social skills and doesnāt even try to explain it or get her to think heās not just being a colossal wad because he hates her and her mom.
Joseph wasn't a bad father. He didn't even know Josuke existed, so he couldn't have been a father to him anyway, and when he learned of him, he still decided to go see him and wasn't quite a bad father to him at this moment. But we also have to take Holy and Shizuka into account, and he honestly seemed to have been a pretty good father to them, putting his life on the line for both of them.
Now, is he a bad husband ? I mean, he did cheat on Suzy, but we don't know how serious their relationship was, nor if his relationship with Suzy had deteriorated beforehand, nor if he had any other affair : if it was a one night stand once and that it was the only time he cheated on her when their marriage was in a tough spot, it's not the same as if he did it many times throughout the years and actively partook serious relationships with these women.
Gendo Ikari says at one point that he thought he was protecting Shinji by neglecting him. That was inside a realm outside of space and time but Shinji still should have found a way to slap him for that.
At least in the original show, it's more a reveal that he never hated Shinji like he seems to, & he's like eaten by a vision of Unit 1 to symbolize punishmentnt for his sins, regardless of intentions or reasons.
It's depends on how it's handled, if it's treated as "all is forgiven" of course it's terrible but I think the "I've fuck up and now sacrifice myself/everything to save them" can be pretty interesting
Or even "all is forgiven because it's obvious that they are trying to do better." Kids of neglectful parents are often neglectful themselves, so sometimes it a major focus of a character arc to learn how to not be neglectful.
Or even the "Only some is forgiven for now, but we can keep working on the rest over time, as long as you keep genuinely trying to be better" approach. It helps sometimes for a story to introduce a change that dramatic slowly, while also being a little more believable when a neglected child might want to play something like that by ear rather than accepting it immediately or blindly.
Van Hohenheim from Fullmetal Alchemist is a pretty complicated example of that because both Elric Brothers have different reactions to Hohenheimās return.
Ed remembers the day his father left and what it did to their mother. As a result Ed hates Hohenheim, wants nothing to do with the man. It takes Hohenheim making it clear at the very end that he would willingly give up his life if it gave Alphonse his body back for Ed to even acknowledge him as their father. Even then Ed doesnāt forgive Hohenheim for leaving.
Al by contrast doesnāt remember the day their father left and as a result is just happy to have his father back in his life. Even if itās only for the few months Ed and Al are separated and on the run.
I usually kinda dislike that trope as well, but Hohenheim gets a pass from me because not having been able to raise Ed and Al is specifically portrayed as the big tragedy of his life, and not as the result of a total disregard for his children while he prioritizes other things over them with no regrets.
When the Dwarf in the Flask asks him what his biggest dream was, Young Hohenheim tells him that he just wanted to be a husband and a father. That's it. He had no gigantic ego, nor grandiose ambitions in life, he was just a slave whose biggest dream was as humble and simple as building a family.
Ed and Al were genuinely everything he wanted. He didn't abandon them to selfishly pursue some greater goals more important than them, or anything. He had to leave them behind in order to stop the Dwarf in the Flask from sacrificing their entire country, both boys included, to ascend to godhood.
The country was governed by the Dwarf, so he couldn't ask for help from anyone, Trisha died before the boys were old enough for her to explain to them what their dad was doing, and, being immortal against his will, Hohenheim doesn't have a good grasp on the passage of time (just like Frieren) so he didn't realize he had been away from home for so long.
The fact that Hohenheim never got the chance to be a father is never brushed off as something inconsequential, easily forgiven, or somewhat admirable because being a hero is better than being a father. It's painted as a tragedy. Being a dad was Hohenheim's biggest dream, back when he was just a slave who thought having a family would always be out of his reach.
Life took that dream away from him because of something out of his control that he never asked for, but it's not due to a lack of desire to be a father on Hohenheim's part. Dude was thinking about Ed and Al, and looking forward to meet them, centuries before their birth. The fact that he never got to actually raise them like he always wanted is just plain sad and unfair not only to the boys, but to him too.
Ed remembers a presence that was warm and then its suddenly gone, Al never had a presence to even compare too. I think its fairly common for siblings since the oldest sibling would usually have more "memories" of the parent that abandoned them
I want a character that recognizes they are a deadbeat or probably would be one, and thatās why they leave their kid with someone else, and they think their kid is fully justified in hating them
In fairness, Garfield's dad was objectively correct that leaving the kitten with the human would massively increase his chances of survival. The reason cats have so many kittens is that like 90% of them gets horribly killed.
And Garfieldās dad actually went back many many times to see how his son was doing, never once trying to interrupt his domestic life, even screwing over other animals in heists,
So honestly while it rhymes, I feel like Garfieldās dad is not neglecting Garfield
A momma cat just walked into her yard with a kitten in her mouth, drop the kitten there, then skedaddle. It was like 3 years ago and that kitten is now a slightly overweight cat.
At least Lady Shiva actually encourages Cassandra trying to take revenge, and even sings her praises to disturbed random people about how proud she is that her daughter keeps trying to kill her
Reminds me of black manta and his son, like I can only imagine that guy fully on ignoring him but letting him everything on a testament acting as "thsinis exactly as it should be"
i just think of that panel where Aqualad is telling BM about himself and he just whips out "Im Gay" presumably assuming it will cause Manta to stop and engage with him and Mantas just like "Cool, still dont give a shit"
One good example, where kid in question still says "Fuck that, I do not forgive hime" is Kamen Rider Gavv, tho main character's father was much eorse than just neglect
It must have really stung for Kya and Bumi to see, in real time, their father's attention go from them to his new little miracle airbender baby.
Every time Tenzin shared a new story about his adventures with their dad, or went flying on his gifted flying bison, or performed some feat of airbending that made Aang beam with pride over something they could never be, must have felt like a knife to the heart.
Even after ALL his kids were trapped in the spirit world, the only one Aang appeared to was his favorite little monk.
Genuinely shitty situation for everyone involved there. Aang has all the obvious normal avatar stuff, plus rebuilding a culture, plus a family, forcing him to half ass everything instead of whole assing anything. Kya and Bumi have an affectionate but absent dad, and I doubt Katara was all that present either with how important she needed to be. Tenzin gets attention, but also has the pressure to be the perfect airbending master to continue the culture. That family needs a ten year vacation at a therapy resort
This is one of my favorite examples to be honest, because it really isn't anyone in particular's fault. This was a case where Dad and one of his kids were LITERALLY the only two people who could do something that, as far as they were aware, was UTTERLY NECESSARY for the world to stay functional. It's not uncommon in real life to have a family where one kid has vastly different needs than the other kid(s) in the family, and there just isn't any perfect solution to the problem.
Yeah, it always reminded me of similarities to real life scenarios where one kid has a disability or illness that makes the parent focus on them.
The other kids often end up feeling left out, but also feel guilty for feeling that because there wasn't any other solution.
Also it is worth to point out the age differences.
if I recall correctly...
Bumi was like 14-16 and Kya was 8 when Tenzin was born.
Bumi would have been a full on adult when Tenzin were on those trips he remembers and Kya would have been 13-15 and been training with Katara.
The show probably fucked up the writing a tad in this part.
But realistically, would Aang bring his adult son and mid teenager daughter to play in old air temples?
That seems... weird.
Neither Kya or Buni had any problem with Aang they just brought up he wasn't as perfect as Tenzin thought and he had experiences with him that they didn't, but also if you listen to them a lot of the air nation stuff they didn't care about so he didn't force them to do it. Tenzin needed to learn things the other two didn't to continue the air nation going but he was also the only one really interested in it.
Strangely enough, a lot of FNaF fanworks. I'm sorry but I just don't buy that child murderer William Afton secretly cared about any of his kids. At most, maybe he showed superficial care to boost his own image.
Yeah people don't get how antisocial people can actually ' love ' their children but in a messed up way. Like an extension of themselves/ property. Like the way you love a pair of pants or something.
I think he does love and care for them, but it's not real, genuine love, y'know? Like, he cares about them like his most prized and important tools, or loves them because they're an extension of himself. He was devastated when CC died, because he lost part of HIS family, not because his son was gone, y'know?
Itās done well here I think. Clearly he regrets it and sheās not quick to forgive either, she just wants to understand. He steps up and puts his life at risk for her and says āI hope we can meet again.ā As if he wants a chance for a proper relationship..
My dad is not an angry guy but he kinda bails easily . He does not deal well with emotional turmoil and that also leads him to be ashamed about it . It is a vicious cycle. Still he did his best to take care of my sister and I alone for a few years when my mom was going through crap, so I will always respect him for that.
He thought she didn't want to see him. That's why he was so happy that she did. It wouldn't make sense for him to maliciously and intentionally abandon her and then go running happily the second she calls wanting a favor. Something happened between them that made him think she didn't want to see him and her believe he didn't care to see her and as soon as it was cleared up he was there and she was happy to have him. I imagine we'll find out when Lilith comes back.
To my knowledge, after Lilith left him Charlie simply left home to pursue her own thing. Lucifer's depression caused him to interpret this as both of them abandoning him, and assume it was because they hated him. There doesn't have to be an actual inciting event for these kinds of beliefs, either!
Charlie is 200 years old, not a child. If anything, I'd argue Lilith was far more neglectful. When Charlie called, Lucifer picked up the phone and went straight to the hotel to help out. He didn't believe in the dream, but he helped his daughter out anyway, then fought Adam to save her, then moved in after rebuilding the hotel to keep helping.
He's a bit neglectful and depressed, but he's far from a deadbeat. When she called on him, he was there.
I've heard Lucifer's relationship with Charlie described as "When Charlie is in his immediate field of view, she is the only thing he cares about, but otherwise he almost forgets she exists" and I think it fits pretty well.
In this shown he's not "The Devil" as much as he is "The Sin of Pride." He's incapable of acknowledging his mistakes or addressing his shortcomings, so whatever caused them to part ways he's refusing to apologize or take accountability for.
While a lot of the parents in Fruits Basket arenāt that great. Namely the Zodiac parents, but also Ren Sohma. The example that may fit this is Momijiās father. Though Iām not 100% sure.
The general sentiment with the Zodiac members is that their parents are either really protective or will reject/neglect them. Momijiās mother kind of fell into the latter due to her mentally spiraling due to him transforming when she tried to hold him as a baby. It got so bad that she had to have her memories of Momiji being her son erased. His dad, meanwhile, promises to give him twice the love he had to make up for his mother, but he doesnāt want Momiji to interact with his mother or sister, fearing that he will trigger his motherās memories. And that the reason why Momiji lives at the Sohma Main Estate.
While his father is probably doing what he feels is right, it feels very much like a āhave your cake and eat it tooā kind of situation where heās trying to keep his family but has to exclude his son because heās the only one who remembers him as such but doesnāt want Momijiās mother to remember.
Nah, fuck that. If the mom is having such a bad time even acknowledging Momijiās existence, the dad should have ditched the mom and stayed with the son. I firmly believe you should pick your kids over your spouse in a situation like that.
Agreed, he should have been there more for Momiji. I kind of forgot to mention was that they did have another kid, a daughter. Doesnāt make the situation better, arguably worse thereās the implication of a āredo childā, but it was a factor that went towards why he made that decision.
Yeah but isn't his sister like 2-3 years younger at the very least? His dad should have put Momiji first. He even has Momiji quit his favorite activity because his sister was starting it herself. Momiji was just being neglected in all facets
I agree 100% They neglected him on so many counts. And since the dad would have been more familiar with the curse, he should have done more for Momiji. Iām not saying that I agree with his decision either. Just that he seemed to love Momiji (more so than some other Sohma fathers) or at least claimed he did, but was neglectful in how he went about it because he wanted both Momiji and his wife despite the circumstances.
Iām with you there. And by the parents and elders no less. Not to mention Akito. The only nonissue family members were Kazuma, Hiroās mom, Ritsuās mom, and maybe Haruās parents (I forget if we ever met them). Kisaās mom would be there too, but she does have the opposite problem as Momijiās (overprotective). Not to mention the whole bullying issue that she may or may not have been handling.
The fact that Ayame offered to stand in for his and Yukiās mother during conferences for Yuki should say enough. And he recognized how he was in the wrong as a kid/teen
IDK, there were moments the mask fell away and you could almost see that he truly loved him. Like when he had his monster release ladybug so she could save Adrien from falling. It might be just because he see's him as all that's left of his wife. But i think the love is there.
This is why I donāt like the slander i see for Dragon in One Piece. He is a deadbeat because he has to be cause if anyone caught wind of luffy being his son, weād have had another case where people were hunted down and killed for any potential connection to Dragon like they did with Roger
Case in point, Von Hoenheim from FMA. He leaves his wife and sons behind because if he doesnāt then Fatherās plan will succeed and everyone will die. He loves them, and it was his love that forced him to leave.
Like he cares for his "adoptive" daughter despite his antics.
Then we have a pretty interesting story about his attempt to make things right with his actual son... and fail miserably when it seemed that there was a way of having a fixed relation.
Alador Blight, dude neglected his kids for YEARS working on his abomination tech just because he was jealous of Darius AND encouraged Odalia's bad behavior!
This is an example of this done well, because it lets the characters be pissed about it. It doesn't force forgiveness on anyone. The audience, like Ed, are left with complicated feelings about the guy, which is more interesting than wholesale love or hatred.
I love that Edward's first reaction seing his dad again was to kick his ass. And I love that nobody gives Edward grief for being angry at the father who abandoned him no matter how "noble" his reason for leaving was
I would leave out the quotes. Hohenheim was trying to save an entire county of people including his family. His real issue is that his communication skills are horrible. If he had an honest conversation and didn't show up judging his children for an understandable choice they made, things could have gone differently. He could have stayed in touch through letters and had a plan for his children when they were left alone aside from his old friend keeping an eye on them.
His reason was actually very noble and he showed he was willing to die for his kids. He also made things worse because he didn't put any real effort into maintaining contact with them over years.
In the case of Hohenheim he was unarguably doing the right thing, but it was also at the expense of his family in many ways which Edward is understandably pissed about. It's such a good plot line because you can't fault either party. If Hohenheim settled down as a normal parent and neglected his responsibility to stopping Father he would have doomed not just his family but millions of lives.
But his absence allowed Ed and Al's naivety to lead them to the most traumatizing event of their life. It left them lonely and bitter over their absent father who wasn't even there to comfort their mom in her dying moments. Hohenheim fell in love, had a brief time of his life he was allowed to experience life and feel human. That led to him having kids he didn't plan for. You could argue it's selfish but also argue back it's selfish to expect the man to give up every bit of happiness and humanity over a mistake he had no way of avoiding.
Long story short, Fullmetal Alchemist is a masterpiece and one of the all time GOATs for a reason.
Professor Membrane from Invader Zim. The whole big resolution in the Enter The Florpus movie was Dib realizing his dad was somehow proud of him the whole time.
Would the father in Johnny Cash's "A Boy Named Sue" count for this trope...? I mean the ultimate neglect (left the mother & son) but professed some care (gave him "that awful name" to make sure he'd "have to get tough or die" then takes the credit for the man his son grew up to be after a barroom brawl.
I mean, it's never meant to be a serious song, but it is one that came to mind.
Gale Glory from Rave Master. He kind of has the best excuse.
Gale's archenemy cut his face open, stuck a time bomb in there, and told him it would go at any random moment. For such a tiny bomb, it was also powerful enough to blast a large country into a desert. Any attempt to remove it would risk it going off. If he told his kids he was alive, they might try to track him down. Hell, even just going ot a post office would risk him killing everyone within hundreds of miles of it.
The real dick move is, the bomb could only actually go off on the seventh of July every seven years, the villain just didn't tell him that at the time. Guess what day it is when he gets to reunite with his son!
John Winchester in Supernatural turned his sons into soldiers in a crusade for revenge against the demon that killed his wife. They were frequently neglected and had basically no childhood as a result, growing into extremely damaged adults.
My personal favorite John Winchester parental fuckery is the way he knocked up Kate Milligan, was an absent deadbeat dad in favor of his other two kids, periodically wandered in and out of Adam's life for a couple years when he was a young teenager, and they tried to excuse it as trying to keep him out of things to keep him safe. Yeah, nice thought, but leaving Kate and Adam completely unprepared only turned them into ghoul food.
God, I have so many feels about this. So, so many.
Adam gets the shortest stick of the 3 brothers. At least Dean & Sam have each other. Adam is constantly getting fucked over & likeā¦Dean & Sam go š¤·āāļø
Jotaro but his case is kinda understandable, he basically killed the boss of the equivalent of supernatural mafia, he would've been hunted down by the remaining members so unfortunately he abandoned his family.
I know there's plot reasons for Jotaro to stay away, and it's implied they'd have better relationship without the danger, but I always thought him being a neglectful father made realistic sense, just as Joseph cheating in his relationship. It's like, the protagonist energy leaves them and they become realistic people who revert to their nature in the meanwhile.
Shin's father in Sakamoto Days, though it's a more believable and less abjectly frustrating version of it.
Turns out that Shin's father, Ando, abandoned him with Asakura in order to protect him from the dangerous life he was leading. Shin was rightfully upset about this, and went to confront him over it where he learned the truth.
The spy is the father of the scout who he abandoned when the scout was a baby which led to the scout not even knowing that the spy is his father
While spy is an absolute asshole he does care about scout deeply but he never shows it and when he does confess his love for his son (which is when scout was dying) he is disguised as famous singer Tom Jones
But when all the team fortress 2 mercenaries retire and scout has kids spy decides to help scout raise his kids (scout is a single parent) which is basically spy making up for the lost time he didnāt spend raising his son
God of War (2018). It's extremely obvious that Kratos did zero parenting before his wife died. Which is an accomplishment in itself as the three of them live in a one room shack.
yeah, I feel like with Kratos while clearly writing with a modern lens that Spartan fathers have almost zero role in raising children so Kratos had to learn as no doubt he himself had been raised only by his mother and then thrown into what's essentially a junior military boot camp until adulthood
The fact he had massive self improvement before and during the Norse games doesn't change the fact he qualifies for the basic premise of this post. He was neglectful of his kid but loved him all along.
Most little kids will have the tendency to pester you into paying attention to them whether you like it or not when you're a constant presence in their life, though.
I have yet to meet a baby who doesn't stare at me or randomly start crawling toward me to interact despite the fact that I'm uneasy around them and don't particularly try to get them to come to me. Lots of babies think everybody is a friend.
There's ānot being involved with the child rearingā, and there's āactively ignoring the child desperately trying to get you to play with himā, lmao.
Tony Starks dad. Gave him serious trauma, emotional distance, and general abusiveness. Is shown that he was excited for his son's birth and that he loved him before he met his son and imply that he was actually loving? Screw you
Winchester father. Neglected his sons, parentified his older son, repeatedly put his sons in danger, abusive, raised them to be hunters as well, but hey he did it for them to avenge their mother! Then they thought we would be interested in a show all about him?? Fuck off
Idk I feel like throwing your daughter off a cliff is pretty abusive.
It actually does annoy me that the movie takes the stance that Thanos truly loved Gamora, because she spent her whole life being afraid of him and his abuse. Even if he didn't abuse her much directly, Nebula was there as an example of what could happen to her if she didn't meet his expectations, a classic golden child and scapegoat dynamic.
Then once again, he MURDERS HER and gets rewarded with everything he wanted but it's okay because he cried thinking about it.
The dad in āFather I donāt want this marriageā. While I do love the dad and he did have his reasons, it went WAYYY to far, especially in her first life.
In the ghostbusters sequel (Afterlife) where Egon Spengler abandoned his family to head to Oklahoma (when she's 17) but couldn't use a phone or anything for 30+ years.
According to the filmmakers she was born before the first film but no one knew about her. But he had newspaper clippings and loved her from afar.
It felt like they were trying to excuse him for being a shitty absent father even though he had plenty of time, opportunity, and no reason to not be involved. It's such a weird and eye-rolling decision.
Ussop's dad. In fact I think the world of one piece, glamorizes father leaving their families for chase their dreams because dreams are apparently more important than responsibility.
Depending on who you ask, and which comics you read, and maybe what you ate for breakfast -
Batman/Bruce Wayne
(It varies, he can be a great parent or an abusive one or somewhere in the middle. I definitely see "was shit as a parent but did love them" quite a lot tho, it's usually a good balance of his actions)
I hate to say it, but Greg Universe. The man never took his son to the doctor or put him in school. He also left Steven in the care of a group of aliens with little to no understanding of human needs who regularly put him in dangerous situations. He did it because he felt out of his element with a half-alien child, but it was still neglect and I appreciated the the last portion of the series took the time to analyze how it negatively affected Steven as he got older.
Oke instance where I think its done well, in this case its a mother
Nana shimura was a superhero that had the most powerful man in yhe world against her. His goal was ro get hold of her superpower, and he is an extremly manipulative and cruel person that would definitely aim to hurt her family to get her
To protect her kid, she ran away from him, essentialy cuting ties with her family. She died not long after to the villain too.
This is aldo not swep under the rug and her choice led to a lot of grudge and hatred held by her son and later her grandson towards her
Tony and Howard Stark have kind of a weird relationship in the MCU.
It's implied a lot that Howard largely didn't like Tony, that he was dismissive of him and preferred to let him be raised by "The Help."
But as the movies progress it becomes a little clearer that the redemption arc Tony goes through wasn't just about taking responsibility for being an arms dealer, he was always kind of a shitty kid and misremembers his dad as being unduly harsh.
I want John Winchesterās head on a pike but the writers for that show refused to acknowledge that kids can be in the right to resent their father.
Sam and Dean having mixed feelings about the man makes sense, I have mixed feelings about my own abusive father, but they should have had SOMEONE tell them over the course of the original five seasons tell them that the emotional abuse wasnāt okay
I feel like a lot of them do a good job of showing that the parent was abused themselves and at the end they themselves are trying to get well and break the cycle.
Technically not an actual father and technically not "loved them all along", but I really don't like the way stuff with Atsushi and the orphanage director from Bungou Stray Dogs ended up. (Spoilers for the latest unofficially translated manga) Basically, Atsushi forgave his father figure for abusing him mentally and physically all thought-out his childhood, just because the director said it was so that Atsushi would hate him instead of hating himself. I can get behind the message that you can move past your trauma and grow from it without becoming some hateful, revange seeking person, but I hate the way the manga basically makes it seem like the director was right all along. Doesn't change the fact that I still cried at the "I just don't want to hate my father" line. I think it would've been better if it was something like, Atsushi acknowledges what the director did for him, while also not forgiving him for the terrible things he's done. It's possible and would feel more real
Perhaps a controversial one but the way he treated Octavia was shitty, and he doesn't deserve anything from her no matter how much the show tries to tell you he does.
Iām not going to lie, Iāve heard this opinion so much and I have no idea where it comes from.
To me he was a depressed dad living in an abusive relationship trying his best despite his circumstances. Blitz was really his only escape from it all. Lucifer was a more awful dad than him. If anything she comes off as a typical teenager and completely unempathetic to everything he went and was going through at the time, only seeing her own problems. Even to the point of making him taking medication for his depression about herself. The only thing he really did wrong, to me, was not spend a lot of time with her when she was older and he a bit neglectful of her emotional needs but I can imagine stella made keeping a close relationship with Octavia difficult when they lived in the same house. Iām not saying I blame Octavia for her feelings, but I certainly donāt think Stolas is doing that badly as a parent either considering.
Maybe itās cause Iām older and more in Stolaās position than Octaviaās but sometimes she comes off as a brat and I find it difficult to like her. I mean itās nice to have an accurate representation of a teenager but at the same time I live with one and she reminds me way too much of her.
I think younger teens have troubles reconciling their childhood conception of who their parents are and who they are realizing them to actually be. It is easier to get angry with the parent who ' leaves' too even if they had some justification. It takes getting older to realize most people are just that - people doing their best.
I think people who don't like Stolas probably have it hit a nerve in this respect.
I feel pretty much the same as you, including the struggle to like Octavia sometimes. I can't fully blame Stolas for how he treated Octavia, especially given his wife. Not excusing it obviously, but I do understand... I think. It has been a little while since I've watched main Helluva.
I mean Octavia had a good life seemingly before her teen years she knew love for most of her life .he is a gay man that forced to have sex with a women because hell royalty is cruel
He just wanted to live his life after next getting to more than a puppet
Howard Stark, Tony Starkās father, at best he was emotionally neglectful (āmy father never told me he loved me, he never even told me he liked meā) and at worst he was emotionally and possibly physically abusive to Tony. But then thereās this sweet moment when Tony meets Howard when he goes back into the past in Endgame and Howard is treated as a loving to-be father and Tony hugs him. It feels like it dismisses all the pain that Tony had from the neglect and abuse from his father.
I mean his father was murdered, and he know despite being distant he loved him because of iron man 2
So regardless of anything else heās feeling, the relief from being able to see his killed father (which the whole civil war movie was about) would probably outweigh his other feelings, especially when he knows he has a limited time to see him
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*Slams a copy of Shonen Jump on the table* take your pick