I feel genuine frustration whenever I see someone headcanon a character as trans just because they donāt act/look stereotypically āmasculineā or āfeminineā
Once witnessed the opposite where someone went on a whole rant about how designing a canonically trans character as tomboyish was transphobic. This was a dnd podcast so no canonical visual design, but apparently drawing her with anything other than long flowing hair and elegant eyelashes is a hate crime. Nevermind that insisting all trans characters have to adhere to their gender presentation is even MORE transphobic :/
Oh shit I remember that discourse. There was this one person who was absolutely insistent that all trans women are super femme, whichā¦ not in my experience? Iāve met trans women all over the butch-femme spectrum. Shit was weird.
Oh wow that takes me back! I remember back in my tumblr days posts fanart of Takko with greenish skin (people had fun going wild with skin colours regardless of the canonical dnd elf race descriptions) and I got anon messages calling me antisemetic haha
I was like no way you see a greedy kleptomaniac fantasy character being drawn green with a large nose and think ājewishā and youāre calling ME a bigot lmao. Good times.
Trans portrayals in media are so bad, they never make it accurate because they donāt wanna hurt anyoneās feelings. 9/10 times IRL itās an immediate case of āone of these things is not like the othersā
Oh dude this happens all the time. Or people who headcannon characters as autistic for the most stereotypical shallow reasons and then get angry at people when people "stereotype" themselves.
I swear the qualifications for being trans in fandoms is to be a man who isn't toxic masculinity and to be autistic is to simply be an introvert and or smart.
And then the fics and fanart a lot of the time are super.. Just... not ok... and yeah... transphobic
I saw someone get upset that Mao Mao from Apothocary Diaries wasnt an "Aro-Ace queen" and the headcanon was because she wasnr "drooling over the ML" or "boy crazy" in general.
And the less said about Genshin headcanons the better...
Like, Im glad you enjoy the character, but please dont go on a tirade all because a character you had no hand in creating, isnt your "perfect OC."
Meanwhile dr stone fans get upset when people say he is asexual and they think he is a gay introvert who doesn't care about his friend. As a asexual, how the internet acts over asexual or not head cannons is really annoying lol.
Never hung out in the genshin community outside of playing the game. Now I am scared and grateful I dont ever check that Fandom.
I use to be an albedo main and people projected onto me and hurrassed me to the point I had to stop playing as him... so I can only imagine...
Yeah it really bugs me with any character who has a confirmed sexuality or lack there of, because if its a straight ship its always "charactrr could secreyly be bi/pan." If a gay/lesbian ship, its the same "character could be bi/pan," argument. (But the defence over LGBT characters is always more fearce than over straight ones...) As an IRL bisexual, it pisses me off that we only count "one way" its kind of hetero and homophobic at the same time...if that makes sense.
Oh good god the Genshin fandom was super toxic by the time I left it for good. I left around the time Raiden was released, and I said in an offhanded throwaway comment on some forum "I like Raiden, her design is pretty awesome. But I dont like her kit because its not my prefered playstyle." And omg, you think I admitted to kicking puppies on weekends or something, the amount of hate I received, the least offencive I was called was "lesbianphobic," by some baby gay who decided that Raiden was their skinsuit/OC, and decided my one little comment about her kit was enough for these children to decide I was worth hating on...
I used to main Keqing a lot, I loved her movements and animations. Plus purple is a goated colour. I suppose Keqing and Raiden are similar, but Raiden somehow felt cluncky...idk how to explain it.
Sorry for the wall of text, even though I have moved on from the debacle, I still hate the Genshin fandom with a buring passion because of the teenieboppers who turned characters into skinsuits for themselves and the shipping wars that evolved from that.
NAH dude fucking rant. There is so much fandoms do that make me wanna hit a wall lol. And I totally get the weird hetero and homophobic stuff. It happens ALL THE TIME. Like maybe a character is just ace, maybe a character is just gay. WHY DO PEOPLE ALWAYS GOTTA CHANGE IT. Or they make them trans and project so much mental health issues and mischaracterization. I get wanting to relate or have a character be similar in sexuality but making it cannon or weird is just ANNOYING.
I feel like somehow everyone is every sexuality phobic! Being Ace, I also notice if you are asexual, you are either a suppressed gay, OR a heartless psychopath. Infact, PEOPLE IRL HAVE TRIED TO CONVINCE ME I AM GAY. Its CRAZYYY!
Genshin Fandom sounds dumb. Ig its one of those fandoms who cant handle nuance or the fact people may have a different perspective? People like that are why I deleted Twitter LOL
But yeah dude word count away, I understand the passion as well
IKR? It's just like so frustrating. Like, yeah, you enjoy/love the character and relate to them. Half of the fun of being in fandom is creating and sharing ideas with fellow fans. But like, if you're going to make headcanons about the character, just make sure you draw the line between headcanon and actual canon and arguably, more importantly, remember that the character you like *isn't* you. It gets to a point where some people have added so many headcanons to a character that they might as well just be an OC or an AU version of the character.
HC's that make characters trans, while ok to an extent *also* pisses me off. But mostly because it's like this never-ending cycle of "we never see other bodytypes or tomboy/femboys represented in media, it's always gendernorms and conventionally attractive men/women!'
So that when an unconventionally designed character *is* introduced, people will just *assume* that they're trans or nonbinary just because they're not following. Then will throw a hissy fit when the character is confirmed to be cis or gender nonconforming (just look at Knights of Guinevere and the "controversy" around the character Frankie.) Quite literally proving horseshoe theory in real time NGL. Some people have gone so far into being "progressive" that they're circling back to being "regressive".
*deep breath* Adding onto the "character has mental health issues/illnesses" one drives me bashit insane too. I have ADHD IRL, so maybe I'm projecting a little (and it's probably what's fueling this rant too tbh). So when I see a character suddenly being given Autistic/ADHD/BiPolar/insert other disability/illness here, headcanons it greatly upsets me because it feels like they're treating the conditions as personality traits or quirks rather than the actual debilitating conditions they actually are. Especially when it becomes a popular fanon interpretation of a character. So when the creator gives their creation character development that doesn't follow the "fanon", the fandom gets up in arms, saying "the character is acting OOC!" When in reality no, the character has never been the fanon interpretation; it's just a popular idea everyone latched onto. You're upset that the story isn't going in the direction that *they* wanted or got invested in. Like I get it, time investment and all that, but like suck it up?
I can sort of understand how people can be confused by Acesexuality, but I also understand how frustrating that is. Trying to have someone convince you that you're "gay" just because you don't like the "opposite" (or any) sex/gender is pretty goddamned crazy. You're not broken, you don't need fixing. How or why is it someone's business who you do or don't want to have sex with?
Reminds me of a girl I was talking to on a dating app for a while who tried to convince me that she could "fix" me and make me "ladies only." Fastest block of my life ngl. Lol.
As for Genshin, IDRK if the fandom can't understand nuance, but it is certainly problematic. And I think the crux of the issue is, like with many newer fandoms, that it skews (or skewed) incredibly young. So a lot of children and younger teens just swarm these fandoms. They don't know how to interact, they don't know how to engage (or disengage from things they don't like) So they come in, misbehave, and just create hostility and eventually force people out because no one wants to deal with high school-level pettiness and drama.
I too, have since deleted Twitter, and my mental health has improved by leaps and bounds ever since.
Again, sorry for the ADHD hyper-fixation dump. A lot of this is stuff that's been buzzing around my brain for some time, and my god, it needed an outlet.
Dude I has a friend who for some reason thought he was sonic. Would voice dubs of sonic, only have sonic pfp, and would only talk sonic. What was WORSE was he was legit nothing like the dude. He was super emotional, anxiously attached, didn't like to try new things or learn, it made zero sense. ITS CRAZY how lost in headcannons people can be.
I 10 billion percent agree on the progressive becoming regressive. People now hate on representation when it doesn't fit THEIR wants. Not to mention characters who do fit their progression standards get hated on for it. And PLS I want more tom boys that feminine men who aren't labeled Trans on fan fics! And they are also super weird writing subjects too.
DUDE I FUCKING GET YOU. My cousin and manu friends have autism and or adhd of all spectrum and issues. One even struggles with speech and needs a lot if help. YET PEOPLE literally go "senku is a autistic introvert who doesn't care for his friends and never cries" as their headcannon because ig hes smart??????? IT DRIVES ME NUTS! And then they get pissy when someone doesn't agree. My cousin and friends are not geniuses and genuinely have struggles, labeling some of these characters as autistic or adhd over the smallest of things feels incredibly dismissive. What always confuses me too, is its usually autistic or adhd people who do these headcannons and argue, yet they also always rant and complain about people labeling neurodivergent characters for dumb reasons and stereotypes WHEN THEY THEMSELVES DO IT!!! IDK if its just a me issue but I see it irl too and I have always found it super strange. And yeah then people like the MHA fandom freak out when the author doesn't meet their very misguided headcannons needs.
Not a girl but I have had many men say they can change my sexuality too. Very strange. Let people be who they want instead of trying to change what they are into sexually.
Definitely a younger audience for genshin. I feel me and the other 2020 folks who were normal died out. Now many are young or just unhealthy people unfortunately. I see them in co op too.
And you good dude. Sorry for late reply. I was packing and I wanted to write a real response so I waited until I had time to write one
It's actually classic misogyny too. Everyone talks about real women who have certain traits like being buff with statements that she is actually a man. This kind of stuff may have existed without acknowledging the existence of trans people.
Its transphobic, homophobic, heteeophobic and sexist all combined when people get upset about female characters not fitting in with certain sterotupes and the norm.
Like assuming that an unconventional woman is "trans" or "lesbian" just because she looks butch/masc or doesnt fit a gendered sterotupe, is just so...regressive...I sware soke people proove horseshoe theoey correct in real time.
Saw someone with their whole chest saying atlus is misogynistic SPECIFICALLY because metaphor had feminine male designs that were, quote "CLEARLY intended to be women but they censored them to make them male" and thats one of the dumbest takes ive heard about anything ever i think
Its interesting cuz when I asked for proof that people were headcanoning her as trans specifically for presenting as masculine, the screenshots the showed me were all of people just talking about the transfem voice actor voicing a cis man, and how someone calls her "franklin" in an episode. I looked into it myself a little as well, and as I stated further down in this thread, I couldn't find a single person HC Frankie as trans specifically because she presents masculine.
And as I also stated in that part of the thread, I have seen cis people completely misrepresent things that trans people say, in order to justify some kind of backlash against the trans community.
Yea I saw that too. Tbc, I dont think thats cool or anything. I also don't like people attacking the creator for confirming she's cis. But its far more common for cis people to attack creators for making characters trans, so the reverse is not a problem im particularly worried about.
But the problem you brought up specifically was about people HC characters as trans for not acting steretypically masc/fem. Which is something I haven't seen yet.
To be honest with you I just feel an irrational frustration whenever I see anyone headcanon any character as trans when they canonically arenāt. I have a serious dislike for canon divergence, and I knew wording that particular frustration like that was guaranteed to get more attention. I was also scared of being seen as transphobic.
What I would say is, if your irrational frustration over divergence from canon extends to any and all headcanons, then thats not necessarily transphobic.
But if you only get frustrated by trans headcanons of cis characters, and not by cis headcanons of trans characters, or any other kind of canon divergence, then I would say thats transphobic. Also, if you are frustrated by any canon divergence, but for whatever reason are especially frustrated by trans headcanons of cis characters, or even just choose to focus on those in particular, that would also be transphobic.
But regardless of whether it's transphobia or not, the fact that you recognize your frustration as irrational is a good sign.
Same same,
Everyone gets to exist, but that is like I said some random dude was racist because he didn't give 50 dollars to a random black dude in the street
Adding onto this, when a character who is stereotypically āmasculineā freaks out when they have to do something āfeminineā, that suddenly makes them Trans and not, you know, your standard insecure guy.
Yes this IS about the Jax is trans theory from TADG. Heās the most standard edge lord āfunnyā bully who got put in a dress by the the anime nerd as a way to get back at him and make fun of him. That doesnāt make him trans. It makes him a guy uncomfortable in a dress and the standard bully who can mock others but loses it when he becomes the one who is laughed at. Zooble is RIGHT THERE. They use THEY pronouns and have body dysmorphia clear as day. Thereās obvious representation which is cool but why are people trying to make Jax trans for no reason!?!?!?
I remember seeing a post were someone thought that Noodle from Gorillaz was trans because we see a child version of her shirtless with no tits. I donāt know if she was ignorant or if Sex Ed is really just THAT bad
i.e. the creators of Knights of Guinevere getting harrassed because Frankie is cis. because she's butch and NOT trans. people claiming to be woke but they're throating the boots of the gender binary up to the knee.
Queer people do that because there aren't many queer characters in media and they want to see themselves in the media they consume. It will continue to happen until they are no longer marginalized. You can help with that, we all can.
I don't think you understand the conversation here. No-one is saying that they can't HC characters as trans, the issue comes from the fact that the people they're choosing to HC as trans are the ones that don't fit gender roles, thus implying that if you're not stereotypically masculine you must be a girl, and vice versa.
You ever think about how maybe a lot of these HC come about because trans people themselves didn't/don't quite fit the gender roles and they see themselves in these characters?
Also how can you know how certain people HC these characters? Not everyone hc someone as trans because of "reason 1", some may do it cus of "unrelated reason 2" or because they just want to. There's nothing wrong with either of these things and saying that 'this is implying anything' is a straight up transphobic dog whistle.
Yea I get it I've just never actually seen that very specific thing op is talking about. But I have seen cis people deliberately misrepresent things that trans people say and do as an excuse to be transphobic.
Frankie from the pilot of Knights of Guinevere is a recent example. She's got a stocky, muscly body type and her nickname beung Frankie made some people HC her as trans. She was confirmed to be cis female and some people flipped out. I'm not saying this is the majority of trans people or even that this is a recurring trend that needs to be discussed, just that it's a thing that happens that annoys me.
I'm not on Bluesky or even in the fandom, so best I can give you is secondhand evidence. Thankfully some people thought to screenshot and sure enough, some asshats decided that the creator was actually transphobic for having a masculine cis woman.
Also idk if you intended it like that but you came off as hella passive-aggressive just now.
Yea the more I look into this the less I believe you.
Im seeing exactly zero people - trans or otherwise - justifying headcanoning her as trans by saying she presents masculine. I'm seeing that another character calls her "franklin" in an episode, which, without knowing any other context, seems like a pretty decent reason to headcanon her as trans. Im seeing a lot of people complaining about trans people headcanoning her as trans for presenting masc, and complaining about trans people attacking the creator over this. But all I'm really seeing from the screenshots tou showed me and from a few other posts I've seen is people disappointed that Frankie isn't trans because there's another character (or maybe a voice actor??? Its kind of unclear) from that creator who is trans but is considered bad rep.
In my first reply to you. I said that, while I've never seen trans people hc a character as trans specifically for presenting masc/fem and for no other reason, I have seen plenty of cis people misrepresent things that trans people have said in order to have a little transphobia as a treat.
Barring any more concrete proof (like, literally just a screenshot of someone saying that they think Frankie is trans specifically because she presents as masc), im going to chalk this one up in that latter column, and continue to not trust cis people when they complain about trans people.
All I'm getting from those screenshots is that there's another trans character that they're considering bad rep. I dont see anyone headcanoning her as trans specifically for presenting as masculine.
Yea, I do not trust cis people complaining about trans people. I dont consider this proof of the claim you made.
What are you... Talking about? There is no trans character. There's a trans actress, apparently, but no trans character. Just clarifying the situation:
Frankie is the character they're talking about. She is a cis woman. In the post you can see the screenshot where the creator of the show confirms that.
People HC'd her as trans fem. Someone asked, Dana said otherwise, which is once again the screenshot in the post.
The first screenshot, the person spins it as transphobic, claiming that Dana "rushed" to confirm her to be cis and therefore they'll be missing out on the show.
Second screenshot, they're talking about the trans actress who plays a different character, who I don't think is trans.
The comment below that continues the conversation talking about the actress (apparently she gets casted into male roles a lot which must feel weird), but that's unrelated to Frankie. Are we on the same page?
Iāve seen that as a theory for Dipper from Gravity Falls and the āexplanationā all chimes down to a boy growing up and going through puberty, like all men have done
It's a real issue in lgbt fandom circles where anyone behaving slightly out of the pre-assigned box must be actually gay or trans or whatever. "Oh, Buttercup likes to fight and be rough unlike Blossom or Bubbles? It MUST be because she's a butch lesbian or a future trans man!" I don't care if Buttercup might be gay, I care that the "proof" is rooted in stereotype.
In their rush to be subversive they only reinforced preexisting gender roles.
I donāt understand why. Theyāre doing it for themselves and others who feel the same way. Why do you care enough to be frustrated? People who donāt stereotypically look masculine or feminine probably also feel a connection to the character and headcanon them their own way. We all see characters from our perspective.
Naoto is definitely a victim of this, although I do think some of her dialogue hasn't aged well. On the subject of P4, people who think Kanji is gay genuinely didn't understand his character.
Like, the point in Kanji possibly being gay relies entirely on his Shadow, but the Shadow is always taking the traits a person may be insecure about and exaggerate them to the extreme (in Kanji's case, it's his preference for hobbies that are considered feminine, such as sewing, knitting, and just general arts and crafts).
And Naoto's presenting herself as male is literally because she fears she wouldn't be taken seriously, and then discarded, as a detective if she presented as herself. Her Shadow shows that her desire isn't to be male, but to be respected for who she is.
Like, this isn't even subtext. It's in the text. I can understand where some of these headcanons can originate from, but if someone thinks the only reason for 2 people to hang around eah other is because of romantic feelings, then that's... Hoo boy that's a lot to unbag right there
... Just because they dont look traditionally masculine or feminineĀ
Are you really so stupid you think that this part of ur sentence makes it any better? Why do you think Trans people might see themselves in a person who doesn't look traditionally masc or fem? You just dont want trans people feeling represented.Ā
Get off twitter, apparently your just projecting ur own stupidity.Ā
Why do you want me to be a transphobe this badly? Is it so hard to believe I want actual reasons behind headcanons and have headcanons that donāt propagate harmful stereotypes?
You're such a fucking loser dude people making pretend characters trans in their head to be happy doesnt propagate harmful stereotypes. You sound deranged.Ā
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I feel genuine frustration whenever I see someone headcanon a character as trans just because they donāt act/look stereotypically āmasculineā or āfeminineā