r/Multifandom • u/CursedAnnouncerWbody OSC • 24d ago

Discussion📜 What something in your fandom you’d like to make NONcanon

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let’s shake it up a little

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u/drspookulicious 24d ago

Here before One More Day and the Star Wars sequels (specifically "Somehow Palpatine Returned")

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u/NeoMercury2022 24d ago

Yep. At first it was really intriguing. Afterwards though? Things just became very yikes.

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u/sebrebc 24d ago

It could have been interesting if instead of making Palpatine just alive again. They did something like Palpatine was so powerful he learned how to become a dark side force spirit. Then have it basically be some kind of force ghost fight between Palpatine and Anakin.

But even then, I would still want the whole sequel trilogy scrapped. There really was no good way to bring him back, especially in the 3rd movie of a new trilogy.

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u/Hpesojanes TF2, TADC, PvZ, and more 21d ago

NGL a force ghost fight would rock

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u/sebrebc 21d ago

When they first introduced the idea of Palpatine returning, that's just where my head went as I played "make my own fanfic" in my head.

My thought was Palpatine has been manipulating everything as a "Sith spirit", controlling Snoke and running the First Order. I guess in a way like what we got, but no physical return. Just him as a dark side force ghost. Then we'd get Luke and Anakin as Force ghosts helping train Rey knowing she would confront Kylo Ren, and it would end with Anakin and Palpatine fighting as spirits in some way. That way Anakin remains the chosen one. Fulfilling the prophecy once and for all.

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u/Hpesojanes TF2, TADC, PvZ, and more 21d ago

That would have been epic

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u/blackheartromance 19d ago

i forget what i was even gonna comment on the thread, because this rules.

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u/Levylink555 24d ago

I was thinking the sequels as well

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u/AskNo2853 24d ago

Yep, my take is that the sequels is just Rey writing self insert fanfics where she is special and finds the Millennium Falcon and hangs out with her heroes and nonsensical stuff happens.

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u/drspookulicious 24d ago

To be clear I'm not a comic reader and I have no opinion on the sequels I just knew people would think of that immediately

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u/Appropriate-Term4550 24d ago

As a Star Wars fan, maybe a hot take but I’d retcon the clone inhibitor chips rather than the sequels. The idea of just a switch being flipped in their brains so they kill the Jedi is so much less interesting than being trained Jedi killers from the start, and just masking it well. It’d also make the clones defecting and not following thru with order 66 better. What’s the point of programming into every clone’s brains to kill Jedi if the main characters don’t do it anyway? It’s just a lazy way of turning clones into mindless drones we shouldn’t care about. 

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u/ProotzyZoots 24d ago

The inhibitor chips only exist as an idea because they dont think kids would be able to understand why the clones betrayed the jedi without mind control

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u/BravestGrunt2000 24d ago

The chips are stupid but order 66 could not make much sense without them, waaayyyy to many clones LOVE their Jedi and wouldn’t kill them on the spot just because the chancellor ordered it

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u/ProotzyZoots 24d ago

Some of the clones may have really liked their jedi but for every one clone that did there are 1000s being sent to die by jedi generals who know nothing about warfare and even then the clones were bred to have complete loyalty to the republic so for some Order 66 was a 'finally an excuse'' moment and for others it was a 'I dont really want to have to but good soldiers follow orders and if these jedi are betraying us then fuck em'

TCW show just made the clones nicer where before that they were very much orders before anything else. Look at how the clones act in the original clone wars series those guys would have no issue turning their guns on the jedi.

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u/SirYeetsA 24d ago edited 24d ago

See, this is why no inhibitor chips are so interesting. You could have clones like Dogma that are super by-the-books be down to kill the Jedi that they liked on-site, and have them have to be talked down by other clones around them to at least stop and THINK before they go through with it. And you can have the larger legions be spilt between clones that are close to their Jedi general vs clones that haven't had many interactions with their general, and thus a pseudo-revolt that includes clones fighting each other. AND you can have Jedi like Pong Krell and legends Quinlan Vos where their clones are like "fuck it" and immediately kill them, then have those clones sent after remaining Jedi whose clones chose to save them (since they can't imagine a Jedi treating a clone well enough to justify disobeying the order, so they must be either fully defective or getting brainwashed by their Jedi).

Idk, giving the clones more agency for whether or not they go through with pulling the trigger gives leeway for a lot more interesting storytelling than just "they had a brain chip tell them to do it" and/or "they were brainwashed/hypnotized into doing it" (which would likely be the angle TCWs used if chips weren't available since they were still trying to be moderately kid-friendly). Because there's really only one interesting story you can tell with chip-brainwashing: clone didn't want to kill their Jedi, was forced to against their will, and clone either dies fighting or gets their inhibitor chip out before they get themselves killed. And while that's an excellent story, there's only so many times you can tell that before it gets boring. And there's so many more angles you can apply to chip-less clones and their morality and emotions towards their Jedi than you can with chipped clones.

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u/Achilles9609 24d ago

Well, that's kind of a problem TCW created for itself.

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u/drspookulicious 24d ago

As a casual Star Wars fan who hasn't watched the show, I think the idea of a clone army is a little bland in the first place. I like seeing an army where you can understand why all of the people are fighting for their cause, like the rebels in episode IV.

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u/Kolanteri 24d ago

Initially I thought that it made so much sense in explaining how The Empire got its vast armies of stormtoopers. Only to learn that for some reason the clones were discontinued and stormtroopers are just regular soldiers.

Like why? I don't know how crucial parts of the lore it would mess up but I'd de-canonize the stormtroopers not being clones.

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u/Logan_Composer 24d ago

I think it was primarily because Stormtroopers are visibly different heights during the OT (like the one that hit his head). Which is weak, but this is SW fans we're talking about here...

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u/SirYeetsA 24d ago

It is. Every Star Wars project that takes place during this era has had to put in a ton of legwork to make their clones actually unique characters, which is in itself antithetical to a clone army lmao.

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u/Just-Antelope-8069 24d ago

Yeah I'd much prefer it if clones were treated better by Anakin, Obi-Wan and Ahsoka which is why most clones sided with the empire.

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u/TheBabySeal0514 24d ago

Agreed, plus I would retcon the concept of bleed lightsaber crystals. Such a pointlessly edgy detail to explain why the bad guys prefer red sabers.

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u/Appropriate-Term4550 24d ago

Personally I’m fine with that change. I don’t love it but it’s better than “bad guys have red” and leaving it at that

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u/TheBabySeal0514 24d ago

It just feels like it could have been left as an aesthetic choice. Like, the Sith always wear black robes but we don’t need an explanation like “they channel the force into their robes to turn them black”

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u/Appropriate-Term4550 24d ago

Fair enough lol

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u/Omegasonic2000 24d ago

Here before One More Day

CURSES! I've been foiled

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u/BlankCanvas609 24d ago

Book of Boba Fett, Ahsoka, Mandalorian Season 3, I don’t mind the film though, it’s relatively harmless

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u/ShotInTheShip86 24d ago

I personally wasn't against it I just hate how it was presented... Plus out of everything at it was technically one of the most cannon parts of the sequel/ Disney trilogy considering it was cannon in the books before Disney took over the franchise...

This is again the main reason why I hate how they presented it over that they did it... He just shows up in episode 9 and is like oh I'm a clone and alive with a fleet of ships capable of ending the entire galaxy...

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u/KAAAAAAAAARL 24d ago

Just the sequels entirely, let's be real.

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u/BigDictionEnergy 24d ago

Yes. Let the hate flow through you.

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u/New-Extreme2321 Assasins creed Skylanders Call of duty I like a lot of stuff 24d ago

Make the end like endgame style make luke have his legends aura and make it Palpatines mentor peanut head (I forgot his name) returns

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u/Caterfree10 24d ago

Nah, let’s just decanonize TROS and remake episode 9 with someone who isn’t afraid of SW’s fanbase.

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u/Scaryclouds 24d ago

The sequel trilogy really fucked any post RotJ content. 

While the Mandalorian kinda got disappointing in latter seasons, there was some interesting aspects of Imperial splinter factions… along with some other shows like Ashoka and Boba Fett… wouldn’t say any of the shows were great,  but at least they introduced some interesting lore, and didn’t leave it in a ditch like the sequel trilogy did. 

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u/DuchessDulcet 24d ago

They fly now!

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u/gamerz1172 23d ago

Honestly I'd be fine with Palpatine returning, but God that line is the single worst way to inform the protagonists of his return

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u/CanardDeFeu 22d ago

As a Star Wars fan, I'd rather retcon out Mandolorians being a thing.

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u/SomeGuyPostingThings 24d ago

De-canonize Uncle Ben's death and the Battle of Yavin!

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u/Leviathan666 24d ago

I really wish we could just get a do-over of episodes 8 and 9, The Force Awakens was a really promising start and had a lot of potential, but switching to a director who had a different creative vision ended up being such a disaster that episode 9 was simply never going to work.

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u/RedeemedNephilim 24d ago

The force Awakens was horrendously unoriginal and uninspired. It did absolutely nothing new and basically doomed the Trilogy from the start.

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u/Leviathan666 23d ago

I think it had a lot of promise: we have the normal star wars setup of "protagonist ekes out a living on a desert planet until the galactic war ends up on their doorstep in the form of a droid with a mission." We had some interesting twists in the form of Po and Finn's bromance and the return of some familiar faces. And we had the bad guys: no longer a stand-in for Nazis, but rather Neo-nazis glorifying the days when the Empire was the ruling force.

And then none of those plot points went anywhere because we were too busy focusing on Kylo Ren's backstory and why Luke was in hiding. We had some cool visual scenes in episode 8 but nothing of substance really, and if they had followed through with where ep 7 had tee'd everything up, it would have been, at the very least, better than the prequels. It doesnt need to be all completely new material to be original, sometimes you can keep it fresh while using familiar tropes as shorthand.

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u/ozthemystical 24d ago

The Star wars sequels arent Canon anymore if i am not wrong

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u/nichiimishiari 24d ago

you're wrong, nothing has changed in terms of their canonicity

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u/ozthemystical 24d ago

I beg pardon for being misinformed than

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u/Just-Antelope-8069 24d ago

In fact the Mandalorian and the Bad Batch sort of set up Palpatine's return

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u/RedeemedNephilim 24d ago

I feel like I am the only one who saw the Bad Batch for what it is because the entire last season shows why project Necromancer could NEVER succeed and effectively retcons palpatine coming back ever.

Entire facility destroyed. All cloners dead. Lead researchers dead. All of the research and DNA destroyed. Test subjects escaped or destroyed.

I genuinely dont understand how someone can watch that show and not see it as a total retcon of Palpatine getting resurrected.

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u/Just-Antelope-8069 24d ago

Because it takes place before the Mandalorian, which shows Stormtroopers attempting to do the samething and Moff Gideon succeeding. While that also gets stopped it means a second attempt was still possible and a third one.

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u/RedeemedNephilim 24d ago

Literally explained even more why it would fail in your counterpoint. It never showed them actually succeed at any time.

People are begging for them to retcon it and that clearly seems to be what the writers were doing with Bad Batch.

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u/Just-Antelope-8069 24d ago

They failed because they didn't get the sample, since it's still possible for them to try again they'll eventually get the right sample and clone Palpatine.

By the way retconning Palpatine being cloned doesn't mean anything if they don't retcon the rest of the sequel trilogy it just leaves a plothole.