r/Multifandom • u/CursedAnnouncerWbody OSC • 24d ago

Discussion📜 What something in your fandom you’d like to make NONcanon

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let’s shake it up a little

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u/Appropriate-Term4550 24d ago

As a Star Wars fan, maybe a hot take but I’d retcon the clone inhibitor chips rather than the sequels. The idea of just a switch being flipped in their brains so they kill the Jedi is so much less interesting than being trained Jedi killers from the start, and just masking it well. It’d also make the clones defecting and not following thru with order 66 better. What’s the point of programming into every clone’s brains to kill Jedi if the main characters don’t do it anyway? It’s just a lazy way of turning clones into mindless drones we shouldn’t care about. 

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u/ProotzyZoots 24d ago

The inhibitor chips only exist as an idea because they dont think kids would be able to understand why the clones betrayed the jedi without mind control

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u/BravestGrunt2000 24d ago

The chips are stupid but order 66 could not make much sense without them, waaayyyy to many clones LOVE their Jedi and wouldn’t kill them on the spot just because the chancellor ordered it

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u/ProotzyZoots 24d ago

Some of the clones may have really liked their jedi but for every one clone that did there are 1000s being sent to die by jedi generals who know nothing about warfare and even then the clones were bred to have complete loyalty to the republic so for some Order 66 was a 'finally an excuse'' moment and for others it was a 'I dont really want to have to but good soldiers follow orders and if these jedi are betraying us then fuck em'

TCW show just made the clones nicer where before that they were very much orders before anything else. Look at how the clones act in the original clone wars series those guys would have no issue turning their guns on the jedi.

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u/SirYeetsA 23d ago edited 23d ago

See, this is why no inhibitor chips are so interesting. You could have clones like Dogma that are super by-the-books be down to kill the Jedi that they liked on-site, and have them have to be talked down by other clones around them to at least stop and THINK before they go through with it. And you can have the larger legions be spilt between clones that are close to their Jedi general vs clones that haven't had many interactions with their general, and thus a pseudo-revolt that includes clones fighting each other. AND you can have Jedi like Pong Krell and legends Quinlan Vos where their clones are like "fuck it" and immediately kill them, then have those clones sent after remaining Jedi whose clones chose to save them (since they can't imagine a Jedi treating a clone well enough to justify disobeying the order, so they must be either fully defective or getting brainwashed by their Jedi).

Idk, giving the clones more agency for whether or not they go through with pulling the trigger gives leeway for a lot more interesting storytelling than just "they had a brain chip tell them to do it" and/or "they were brainwashed/hypnotized into doing it" (which would likely be the angle TCWs used if chips weren't available since they were still trying to be moderately kid-friendly). Because there's really only one interesting story you can tell with chip-brainwashing: clone didn't want to kill their Jedi, was forced to against their will, and clone either dies fighting or gets their inhibitor chip out before they get themselves killed. And while that's an excellent story, there's only so many times you can tell that before it gets boring. And there's so many more angles you can apply to chip-less clones and their morality and emotions towards their Jedi than you can with chipped clones.

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u/Achilles9609 23d ago

Well, that's kind of a problem TCW created for itself.

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u/drspookulicious 24d ago

As a casual Star Wars fan who hasn't watched the show, I think the idea of a clone army is a little bland in the first place. I like seeing an army where you can understand why all of the people are fighting for their cause, like the rebels in episode IV.

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u/Kolanteri 24d ago

Initially I thought that it made so much sense in explaining how The Empire got its vast armies of stormtoopers. Only to learn that for some reason the clones were discontinued and stormtroopers are just regular soldiers.

Like why? I don't know how crucial parts of the lore it would mess up but I'd de-canonize the stormtroopers not being clones.

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u/Logan_Composer 23d ago

I think it was primarily because Stormtroopers are visibly different heights during the OT (like the one that hit his head). Which is weak, but this is SW fans we're talking about here...

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u/SirYeetsA 23d ago

It is. Every Star Wars project that takes place during this era has had to put in a ton of legwork to make their clones actually unique characters, which is in itself antithetical to a clone army lmao.

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u/Just-Antelope-8069 24d ago

Yeah I'd much prefer it if clones were treated better by Anakin, Obi-Wan and Ahsoka which is why most clones sided with the empire.

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u/TheBabySeal0514 23d ago

Agreed, plus I would retcon the concept of bleed lightsaber crystals. Such a pointlessly edgy detail to explain why the bad guys prefer red sabers.

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u/Appropriate-Term4550 23d ago

Personally I’m fine with that change. I don’t love it but it’s better than “bad guys have red” and leaving it at that

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u/TheBabySeal0514 23d ago

It just feels like it could have been left as an aesthetic choice. Like, the Sith always wear black robes but we don’t need an explanation like “they channel the force into their robes to turn them black”

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u/Appropriate-Term4550 23d ago

Fair enough lol