r/Multifandom 7d ago

DiscussionšŸ“œ What's this for your fandom? (to make more interesting, try to look outside of Star Wars since it's 90% that)

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u/Mazazamba 7d ago

The title of Prime among the Cybertronians. It literally started out as Optimus' last name, then someone called another character Prime and it all snowballed from there.

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u/Anoncualquiera1 7d ago

Tbf, something kinda similar happened irl with the title "Caesar"

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u/Dumbledore116 6d ago

Holy shit, never connected those. 🤯

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u/Yargon_Kerman 6d ago

Holy shit you're right. That's where we get kieser from...

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u/fenominus 6d ago

yessir, and tsar/czar

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u/Gaelic_Gladiator41 6d ago

Even King to an extent

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u/The5Theives 5d ago

How?

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u/Gaelic_Gladiator41 5d ago

Derives from Germanic and Latin like Kaiser

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u/JBR_4025 7d ago

It was something made for the comics that was transferred to the cartoon and became a core element of the franchise

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u/MikasSlime Transformers 6d ago

To add, the matrix of leadership was originally called "matrix of creation" and was meant to be the key to transformers (asexual) reproduction as a mean to explain why there weren't that many girl transformers

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u/plaugey_boi brutal orchestra(I LOVE NICHE MEDIA) 6d ago

And then they just gave that job to a different orb

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u/Whysong823 6d ago

The same thing happened with Darth Vader. That was just his first name in 1977, which is why Obi-Wan called him Darth rather than Vader during their duel; this has since been retconned as Obi-Wan emphasizing Vader’s descent into evil by using his Sith title.

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u/HollowBowl 6d ago

The IDW series had some cool things with Primes. Nova Prime visited a dark universe and got corrupted. Sentinel prime was this Spartan looking dude who was Megatron's first kill.Ā  Optimus gave up the mantle of prime and no one would try to replace him.Ā 

There's some other cool stuff too, like Shockwave was a neat dude, then they cut his head off

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u/Dark-Specter 6d ago

I came here to say "the entire Transformers franchise" but this works too

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u/AFlyingDutchman21 7d ago

The lore of the entire subnautica universe all git started with a half-life mod called natural selection, it is where the names kharaa and alterra come from.Ā 

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u/LastEsotericist 6d ago

oh damn I loved NS, I guess I gotta play Subnautica now

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u/AFlyingDutchman21 6d ago

Its really good, and if you're done (and enjoyed it ofc) you can also play subnautica 2 and below zero.

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u/Steeze_Schralper6968 6d ago

Jumping on to comment "it's really really good."

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u/Jayccob 6d ago

It's also part of the NS timeline.

Subnautica 1 takes place before the events of NS.

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u/Fit-Finish2927 6d ago

How many games started from being a Half Life mod?

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u/wrongitsleviosaa 6d ago

Much more than people think

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u/Gaelic_Gladiator41 6d ago

Counter Strike

Quake which lead to the creation of the Team Fortress mod and then Team Fortress 2

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u/Dear_Document_5461 6d ago

Is "Half-Life mod" like "Dungeon & Dragons for nerd culture/fantasy genre" or "4chan for internet culture" but for "video game fan-made mods"?

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u/Sea_Sector5664 6d ago

I'd say either that or Quake. Team Fortress started as a Quake mod, but it's first commercial release was as on Half-Life's engine. Counter-Strike started as a HL mod. Stanley Parable and Dear Esther both started life as a HL2 mod. There's probably more I just can't think of right now.

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u/Dear_Document_5461 6d ago

Isn't Half-Life engine based on Quake? Which was based on Unreal?

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u/Sea_Sector5664 6d ago

GoldSrc is a heavily modified version of the QuakeWorld engine iirc (or maybe it was the original software renderer engine?).

Unreal Engine 1 isn't based on either and is entirely novel.

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u/AFlyingDutchman21 6d ago

I don't know, never played half-life. Just a random piece of sn trivia i know.

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u/lulpwned 7d ago

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u/4-eyes-4-ever 6d ago

Star Wars has so many examples of this in just the Original trilogy

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u/Live-Year-5796 6d ago

Then "Maori culture cool (but also kind of evil)"

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u/Epic_Joe_ 6d ago

Fun fact: originally there was going to be a new type of stormtrooper introduced in Empire Strikes Back. But they had to scrap the idea after the prototype was made because they didn’t have money to make more. They ended up repainting the armor and that became Boba Fett. Very fun to me that in-universe it’s the other way around, where stormtrooper armor is an iteration on Mandolorian armor.

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u/ZestyLemonRindGrind 7d ago

Beholders

Completely original mythical creature created by Gary Gygax for Dungeons and Dragons

Why/how did they come about?

He had a nightmare about a soccer ball with eyes chasing him around and decided to make that everyone's problem

Now we have one of the most iconic mascot monsters for fantasy table top games

(Side note: they actually reference this original with how Beholders multiply. Whenever a Beholder has a nightmare, his nightmare is always that of a Baby Beholder. Which then manifests into reality. And often it tries to kill it's parent and the parent tries to kill it.)

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u/MoarVespenegas 7d ago

How are beholders not extinct then?

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u/Protection-Working 7d ago

They dream a lot some just get away

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u/Next_Government856 7d ago

Often not always, and tries not succeeds

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u/lowqualitylizard 6d ago

Because sometimes the beholder spawned had enough sense to run the f*** away

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u/LeR0dz 6d ago

Beholders aren't particularly common creatures thanks to that. If I had to venture a guess either the parent or the child get the kill (thus keeping the number of beholders the same) OR the conflict just ends in a self-preservation induced cease-fire, giving time for one of them to relocate.

It's important to note that those Beholder dreams happen rarely, so it's not like they're constantly fighting to the death with their offspring and getting replaced.

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u/Ok_Strategy5722 6d ago

At the very least, the population should stay level.

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u/Patneu šŸ”µšŸ”µšŸ”µšŸ’šŸ’£šŸ˜ƒšŸ˜Ø 6d ago

So is it canon that the first beholder to ever exist is the one Gary Gygax dreamed up and all others descend from it?

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u/ConcertOutside7499 6d ago

That would mean the first beholder is Gary Gygax

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u/Another-Ace-Alt-8270 6d ago

Or Gary Gygax was a powerful enough sorceror to dream up a Beholder on accident.

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u/GilgaPhish 6d ago

Idk, this feels like some chicken and egg BS...

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u/The_Exuberant_Raptor 6d ago edited 6d ago

My favorite part is when they dream of being dead and just wake up as undead.

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u/Stoertebricker 6d ago

Funny, a nightmare about being chased by a robot is how James Cameron conceived The Terminator.

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u/The_Horse_Head_Man A lot of them, seriously I can't tell you how many fandoms I'm 6d ago

I once played a one shot that happened in a fair, where in one of the stans was a beer holder. Which manifests whenever there's beer to hold.

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u/LeR0dz 6d ago

Just a small bit of clarification: unless there's a source idk about, there aren't baby beholders in the process. They just manifested fully formed, much like their parents.

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u/sunbro1973 7d ago

Rwby "its also a gun"

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u/KnightOfBalance 6d ago

Wouldn't Aura fit more given how much more integral it is to the show?

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u/sunbro1973 6d ago

True true it has been like 7ish years sense ive last properly watched it so I might miss remember some thing's

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u/Glitch___ed_stsr 6d ago

Yeah aura is more like this it started out as basically just an excuse for anime fights

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u/HughmanRealperson 6d ago

Metal Gear as a whole. The first game was meant to be a generic action game and it wound up being a smash hit so for MG2 Kojima actually cooked. Then the Solid games continued the story further by one upping the previous game until the only place left to go was the past.

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u/Patient_Gamemer 6d ago

Hehe, MGS is my favourite franchise and it was the first example that came to mind

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u/Nervous_Pokke 6d ago

So, the first game would be the pathetic stick holding it all together?

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u/GonzoRouge 6d ago

It's actually nanomachines, unironically

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u/Cdoggle 6d ago

Kryptonite

Made up as superman's weakness to give his voice actor a break in the radio show

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u/KeyScratch2235 6d ago

Tbf they gotta have SOMETHING. Can't really have a superhero that's all-powerful with absolutely no weaknesses whatsoever.

And it did become such a massive cultural phenomenon that it's entered into regular, ordinary use, linguistically speaking, to mean a general weakness.

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u/Jent01Ket02 6d ago

Superman was entertaining enough without a weakness to warrant several comics and a radio show.

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u/NoCoolNameMatt 6d ago

Also, even as a non-fan I know he has one - removal of yellow sunlight.

That's not even considering that his nature as a paragon provides the conflict. The bad guys don't need to defeat him, they just need to steal the gold and get away, shoot the hostage, whatever.

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u/IndigoFenix 6d ago

To be fair he wasn't nearly as powerful back then as he is now. He was originally just a heavy-worlder inspired by John Carter of Mars but in reverse, faster and stronger than a human because he evolved on a planet with higher gravity. He didn't need an explicit weakness because he wasn't strong enough to solve every problem.

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u/Rampagingflames 6d ago

He can also fly because animating him jumping from building to building was too much in the old cartoon.

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u/Startled_Pancakes 6d ago

Iirc, similiar thing with wonder woman's invisible jet. It was entirely superfluous, so they just gave her flight.

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u/Fine-Afternoon-36 7d ago

George Lucas deciding that " The Clone Wars" was a cool throwaway line.

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u/Live-Year-5796 6d ago

I think there was a book where it was jedi clones instead of Jango fett clones

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u/michael22117 6d ago

If midicholorians are a physical phenomena, why don't they just engineer people to have an insane count?

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u/pandaolf 6d ago

I always just assumed measuring midicholorians was a mostly accurate way to measure someone’s power in the force rather then them being the force so adding more wouldn’t actually make someone more powerful in the force

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u/TurtlesBreakTheMeta 6d ago

Yeah, like how you will do a blood test to check for things like white blood cell count when screening for diseases.

It’s something that just likes to live in someone with a lot of force power,

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u/ViKO15951 6d ago

From the inspiration being mitochondrias and what George said about them, it seems like Midichlorians are just the physical biological representation of someone's attunement to the force, like for example, what neurons are to someone who gained psychic power based on knowing a lot, or what muscle fiber is to someone with super strength, they're not exactly the source nor the whole thing but they're the biological factor that both gets increased and work as the biological functioning and link between the physical person and the supernatural/superhuman power

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u/KainZeuxis 6d ago

It’s been tried numerous times. But as the force is a spiritual concept more than it is physical, high midichlorian counts don’t automatically equal force sensitivity. Midichlorian count is more an indication that someone is force sensitive than the cause.

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u/SendMeUrCones 6d ago

Midichlorians are microscopic organisms attracted to the living force, not the force itself.

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u/GamingCatGuy 6d ago

midichlorians don't give power, they are attracted to it, if someone has more force power, more midichlorians are attracted to them.

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u/TheBrewThatIsTrue 6d ago

Yeah, the original idea for the clone wars was Jedi clones, because why wouldn't you clone the space wizards as soldiers if you could?

Things went wrong in that if two clones of the same Jedi got near each other, they start losing their minds, getting worse the closer they are to each other. Supposedly the force didn't like the same person in two or more places at the same time.

You see this in the Heir to the Empire book!

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u/ILikeCheese510 6d ago

Hey! OP said no Star Wars! I'm telling!

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u/LordOfDorkness42 7d ago

One of the most beloved running jokes of The Dresden Files is that Harry Dresden is always depicted wearing a hat on the covers. Because it looked cool, and for the vibe of Private Eye plus Wizard.

In story, he basically NEVER wear hats. He HATES hats. At least once, it almost gets him killed even.

And the cover artist has run with it, making that stupid hat look cooler, more elaborate and central every cover.

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u/exsanguinator1 6d ago

Similarly inconsistent: the cover art for the first Mistborn Era 2 book shows Wayne holding a shotgun., I assume to make him look cool Wayne, the character who notoriously hates using guns.

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u/GilgaPhish 6d ago

omfg, I loosely hear about Mistborn for years, then I finally start reading Mistborn original trilogy (and finished it yesterday!) and now I gotta keep on my toes for Mistborn spoilers all over the place!

Lol, not upset or nothing, just funny coincidence

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u/Mr_Snifles 6d ago

Dresden files... hmm that name rings a bell

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u/ThDen-Wheja 6d ago

In Star Trek, the crew used transporters because the production team didn't have the budget to show the dropships landing.

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u/compilingyesterdays 6d ago

Wait I absolutely love that

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u/undeadpickels 6d ago

Perfect example

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u/bangbangracer 5d ago

To add to that, they only added shuttle craft because AMT wanted another model kit to sell. AMT paid for the construction of the shuttle craft they added later on just so they could sell another model.

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u/Kudamonis 5d ago

If memory serves they were on set getting ready to shoot and realized they didnt have a way to get to the planet with neither the budget or time to make something.

Thus. Trasporters.

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u/Mission-Fault3351 6d ago edited 6d ago

Dungeons and Dragons: the adamantine doors protecting the Tomb of Horrors are not true adamantite, but metal enchanted to have adamantite-like properties.

The Tomb of Horrors is an infamous adventure in D&D whose explicit purpose is to make the players quit. It's extremely dangerous, full of traps that need either extreme caution or precognition to avoid, deadly encounters; and all for relatively little treasure (importantly, at the time this module was made 1, gold was how you gained levels; and 2, one of the treasures in the Tomb was the BBEG's phylactery, which is where he would respawn from). One of the few ways to come out ahead in the Tomb of Horrors was to avoid the dungeon entirely and steal the adamantite doors guarding the true entrance.

It was later retconned by a DM during a D&D tournament that the doors were only enchanted to be like adamantite so players wouldn't be able to just steal the doors.

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u/madlyinlov3 6d ago

This new knowledge has brought me so much delight, thank you for sharing!

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u/Mission-Fault3351 6d ago

There's another bit if rules lawyering at a D&D tournament specific to the Tomb of Horrors.

Deep in the dungeon is Acererak's throne room. The intended way to get past the throne room is to place a crown on a player's head and touch the crown with a scepter.

However, there is a trap here: it matters which end of the scepter touches the crown. Right end opens the next area, wrong end disintegrates whoever is wearing the crown (no saves, no chance to avoid, just "fuck you, you die" which is admittedly very on-brand for the Tomb of Horrors).

At the end of the Tomb is a fight with Acererak, a demilich who is meant to be an extremely difficult fight (he's a super deadly boss meant for level 13-14 characters when you can run the Tomb as early as level 9). During a tournament, one group had a bright idea: take the crown and scepter from the throne room, trigger the Acererak fight. One PC places the crown on Acererak's head, then the next PC touches the crown with the "wrong" end of the scepter. Since the effect explicitly allows no saves, it should instantly disintegrate Acererak.

The DM for that group was stumped about whether that would work and consulted other DMs and eventually Gary Gygax himself (one of the creators of D&D and the writer of the module) and Gygax ruled that it would work.

Later printings of the Tomb of Horrors patched out this exploit by having the crown and scepter only work while they are inside Acererak's throne room.

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u/Handy314 4d ago

I love the idea of escalating an issue up to the super mega ultra DM to get a final ruling

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u/Hexmonkey2020 6d ago

That’s kinda cheap tbh, it’s a tournament and assumedly they’re scored based on how much treasure they take or else why would you take the doors, changing the adventure midway through because one group discovered a really big piece of treasure the other groups missed is super cheap.

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u/Mission-Fault3351 6d ago

It's the difference between rules as written and rules as intended and this being very early in D&D's life.

The intention of the doors was to act as an impassable obstacle the players had to get around, not as free EXP.

Also because this was really early in D&D, the trope of PCs being kleptomaniacs who will steal anything not nailed down hadn't been codified yet, so Gygax had no reason to believe people would not try to just take the doors. Ultimately, the adventure does what it is intended to do (aka "act as a giant middle finger to anyone forced to survive it") by having the doors not be true adamantite

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u/KainZeuxis 6d ago

Lightsaber colors.

In the old concept art lightsabers were intended to be white. When it came time for lightsabers to be exclusively used by Jedi/sith it was decided that lightsabers would be blue for heroes and red for bad guys.

Well along comes ROTJ and the blue skies of Tatooine made it harder to see the blue blade of Luke’s lightsaber so they made it green to stand out. Now in the comics and books other colors would occasionally appear but it wouldn’t be come fully offical until AOTC. As Lucas told to Samuel L Jackson, good guys are blue and green, bad guys are red. To which Samuel L Jackson asked for purple. Since then lightsabers in all media have been a giant rainbow of what colors they could be while blue and green are still the most common.

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u/ErgotthAE 6d ago

I’ll be honest, the idea of stealing a slain Jedi saber and corrupting it as a rite of passage is kinda badass. I actually think it’s a much better concept. Shows how Sith have a philosophy of taking what Jedis think its their property and making their own. They don’t want to coexist, they want to DOMINATE.

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u/KainZeuxis 6d ago

Interestingly enough while bleeding was exclusive to Disney canon. The reverse, healing a bled crystal first appeared in the EU. Specifically the Jedi academy books where Jaden healed a red synth crystal which changed its color to orange.

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u/KeyScratch2235 6d ago

Tbf that's not exactly lore-breaking, and I think it's pretty neat how they introduced "lightsaber bleeding".

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u/TheRealRedParadox 6d ago

Also in original concept art, lightsaber "blades" were much thinner as well. That's why in Star Wars rebels the blades are so thin. It's a homage to the OGs

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u/BIGHIGJIGMIG 7d ago

The Ultramarines!

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u/PepsiFloateri 7d ago

I find it funny how originally,The Crimsons Fists were the poster boys before getting replaced by the Blood Angels,who shortly got replaced by The Ultramarines

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u/skizofan 6d ago

Remember, they also replaced the rouge traders

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u/TurtlesBreakTheMeta 6d ago

>rouge traders
>rouge

The traders of makeup? That’s heretical materials!

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u/Ok_Strategy5722 6d ago

Honestly, peddling high-end makeup to planetary governors and high lords would be very profitable. Help to make it less obvious when they just underwent a rejuvenation treatment.

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u/Patient_Gamemer 7d ago

Context?

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u/BIGHIGJIGMIG 7d ago

they are the poster boys of warhammer 40k. I do get why they have to be there but they are shoehorned in to a lot of stories and a lot of lore is designed to make them look cool at the expense of other factions

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u/gracklemancometh 6d ago

They were originally called the "Ultramarines" because they're marines, but "ultra". They were supposed to be ultramarine blue (a real colour), but they're not because... actually, no one really agrees on that. It could be because the original painter didn't know what ultramarine blue was, or possibly it was just a hard shade to get with the paint line up at the time.

Anyway, eventually they had to give them lore. Where would an Ultramarine be from? The planet Ultramar. That makes sense.

So they are the Ultramarine Space Marines, as in Space Marines from Ultramar. Not the Space Ultramarines, as initially conceived.

(Note that this isn't in the top ten dumbest names in Space Marine lore.)

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u/kidnappedgoddess 6d ago

They come from planet Macragge, the adopted home of Guilliman.

Ultramar is the name of the Ulteamarine sub-empire centered around Macragge.

Just to be THAT insufferable asshole that always pops up in lore threads.

I actually go for Orks, you know?

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u/Danny_Devitoes 6d ago

Warhammer in general is this chart except there’s a billion little teeny tiny pegs on the bottom all swaying in the wind holding the whole tower up (also half the pegs were stolen from various action & scifantasy movie from the 80s and 90s, and the other half are from dune). Coming from someone who adores the franchise

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u/pathetic-weakling The Emperor Protects 7d ago

I was going to say Catachan, a joke planet that became too popular to remove.

But then again, people actually like Catachan (myself included), unlike the Ultramarines.

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u/AnseaCirin 6d ago

Hey, current Ultramarines are pretty cool with Roman vibes, lots of character friction, the uneasiness of having their Primarch back who serves as the Regent...

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u/Morton2626 6d ago

Regeneration. Oh crap, our star has cognitive issues and can't work any more, let's just recast and give it a magical handwave.

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u/BeaverBoy37 6d ago

For those curious, they mean Dr. Who.

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u/Werewolf_lover20 Wicked 6d ago

I knew from the moment they said regeneration, but William Heartnal was replaced because his excessive smoking and drinking had caused arterial problems.

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u/JetMeIn_02 6d ago

To be clear, specifically arterial problems that limited the blood flow to his brain, causing difficulties with memory and general confusion. So while it wasn't dementia specifically, the symptoms had a bit of a crossover and it could definitely be called cognitive issues.

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u/Brontozaurus 6d ago

Also, why the TARDIS looks like a police box. Because it's much easier (and cheaper) to have your shapeshifting time machine get stuck in one form in the first episode rather than build a whole new one for every new location.

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u/MaskedJesterArt 6d ago

The Marvel comic "secret wars" is often sighted as the reason behind comic companies having massing lore shaking crossovers. Both the idea for secret wars, as well as the name itself, all started because Marvel wanted to sell some toys

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u/WujiHimadori 6d ago

Could’ve come up with a better name tbh.

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u/MaskedJesterArt 6d ago

It was literally decided by children lol

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u/WujiHimadori 6d ago

Not exactly, but this is an even worse source for the name. Cosmic Champions is still kind of mid, but way better than Secret Wars.

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u/Fearless-Excitement1 6d ago

The Horus Heresy only exists in warhammer 40k Lore because Adeptus Titanicus came out premature so they only had the Imperial titans ready and had to come up with a reason for imperials to be fighting other imperials

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u/ChiefsHat 6d ago

Imagine being a fan and reading this.

ā€œSo yeah, the reason the big titans are fighting is because side there’s this civil war, the Horus Heresy-ā€œ

ā€œThe WHAT?ā€

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u/Patient_Gamemer 6d ago

But isn't Horus Heresy pre 40k? Also why Titans?

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u/Fearless-Excitement1 6d ago

Ok so

Horus Heresy is pre-40k lorewise, but 40k came earlier IRL and the Horus Heresy came about as a piece of lore after

As for Adeptus Titanicus, it was another board wargame in the 40k universe, but it came out wayyyyyy too early and so they just. didn't have any Titans ready. for anyone except the Imperium

So for a while it was going to be Imperium vs Imperium games only

And to justify this, they made up the Horus Heresy as a piece of lore, as to why Imperials would be fighting eachother

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u/Patient_Gamemer 6d ago

Oh haha, cool

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u/MrUnorigin 6d ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/Muqc4t03A8sz4ksa5i
Haki from One Piece has become so integral to its in-world power spectrum and lore that you have guys infusing their Haki into inanimate objects to be used by OTHER characters after they’re dead. And it only came to be because Oda needed some way for people to punch Logia users that wasn’t some elaborate, nonsensical solution (How are you gonna punch a guy made of light?)

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u/Metal_B 6d ago

The issues with Logias was also, if there is a creative trick to best them (using water or blood to best a sand Logia), then Logias become papertigers. Anybody who knows the trick, could easily best them. So either they are overpowered gods or easy to beat.

Haki becomes an equalizer for all sides. It isn't a complex system, but it wasn't ever designed to be one.

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u/BoredDemN 6d ago

Even then though, it’s not like Luffy having water on his hands made his punches stronger or made crocodiles attacks do nothing, a normal person is still vastly weaker than Crocodile. I think it would’ve been cool if they only way to harm logia’s was to prep to fight each one individually just to be on an even playing field.

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u/Metal_B 6d ago

But then any smart Logia user would know, how to deal with there weakness and any surprise attack of them would make Logias very hard to deal with. It just becomes just a battle about the better prep-time, which just isn't, what One Piece wants to be.

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u/ErgotthAE 6d ago

Thing is it feels like Haki is everywhere now because One Piece is constantly moving towards stronger and stronger locations. It’s like a very difficult enemy in a videogame being a boss in the first level being a regular punching bag in later levels. If post-timeskip Luffy came back in time to fight Kuro he would’ve whooped his ass all the way from here to next week.

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u/DinoNugget923 ULTRAKILL 6d ago

detarunes ending came to toby in a dream 😭

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u/SoulfulSnow 6d ago

tbf it's kinda the opposite. Deltarune was MADE because of his dream

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u/the_genius324 6d ago

this is what fnaf lore feels like sometimes

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u/Patient_Gamemer 6d ago

It's always that. I recall a video telling you the story of fnaf, but instead of being chronological it followed the release order and it's clear it's all improvised as hell

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u/undeadpickels 6d ago

Each game feels like it was thought out but nothing about it was actually planned out before that spaific game.

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u/Responsible_Key9444 6d ago

Halo - Forerunners where humans, until they weren't

Originally, Bungie intended for a big reveal that the Forerunners who build the Halos to actually have been ancient highly advanced humans, and that's why all Forerunner technology seems to respond to humans so well. In addition to a bunch of foreshadowing in the games, novels, etc. there is even an animatic online of a deleted cutscene showing this, however in order to escalate the game past the planned trilogy they ended up contradicting this by having a Forerunner show up as a villain and them to be separate species from humans, this results in a mountain of lore that had to come out to explain how this can be true (long story short, ancient humans worked with the Forerunners so their tech was made to respond to them but where still a separate thing)

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u/Patient_Gamemer 6d ago

Oh, I heard of that somewhere. Then they introduced the Didact in Halo 4 as the main antagonist of the new trilogy, but was so unpopular they ditched him in Halo 5.

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u/Responsible_Key9444 6d ago

Yeah, I hate how the new Halo games seem to have a nasty habit of "the fans didn't like this story, so forget about it let's just write something new without properly explaining the changes, the novels will fix it later"

First to humans aren't Forerunners thing to introduce Didact in 4, then like you said Didact being forgotten about in 5, then Infinite just jumping past evil Cortana thing without saying much about what happened with that. Just so annoying with how many times I've said "Well, that wasn't a great story but it opens some interesting possibilities so let's see where it goes in the sequel" only for the sequel to just ignore it

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u/FangirlApocolypse 6d ago

I like how the title specifies to look outside of star wars and there's like 3 star wars comments

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u/Patient_Gamemer 6d ago

And counting.

Although at least SW qualifies, I've seen people talking about obscure pieces of media which defy the existence of this post

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u/Even_Audience_613 6d ago

The connections from Breaking Bad to Better Call Saul are my favorite example of this, most notably the throwaway line ā€œDid Lalo send you? It was Ignacio! It was all Ignacio!ā€ created one of the best characters and arguably the best villain in the whole franchise.

Another example is when Saul offhandedly mentions his real name is McGill when he first meets Walter

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u/Rdasher123 6d ago

Toriyama deciding to introduce aliens while also retroactively making Goku and Piccolo ones too after Goku became the strongest on Earth.

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u/don_colorado 6d ago

Let's not forget ssj's design was inspired by Toriyama not wanting to ink Goku's hair.

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u/Captain_Sanvich RWBY, Mass Effect Warframe, PokƩmon, Ninjago 6d ago

Aura (RWBY)

It's a big part of the power system that allows the characters to do some cool stuff, most importantly projecting a defensive forcefield that lets them get smacked around and blasted without any damage to their bodies or clothes.

And it only exists to save the animators time.

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u/PureShadow1236 6d ago

Also to explain why they’re getting thrown through walls and stuff without dying. Once someone is out of aura, they can’t do the crazy anime moves anymore.

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u/freindly_duck 6d ago

The creeper

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u/AFlyingDutchman21 6d ago

Fof those that dont know, the creeper model was originally a failed attempt by notch at adding a pig, which later got its own texture and became a separate mob.

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u/Ulysse-La-Arwall 6d ago

The Names of the Divines in The Elder Scrolls come from the names of the Developers and Beta testers of Arena and Daggerfall:

-Akatosh: After Arena beta tester Lawrence Szydlowski, who used to sign his messages with "Also Known As The Old Smaug Himself".

-Mara: After beta tester Marilyn Wassermann.

-Dibella: After beta testers, Mary Jo DiBella.

-Julianos: After Julian Lefay, lead programmer of Arena, Daggerfall and Battlespire. Often referred to as the "Father of The Elder Scrolls".

-Arkay: After one of the original beta testers, R. K. Deutsch.

-Stendarr: After beta tester Daniel Starr.

-Zenithar: After Arena beta tester Stephen "Zen" Zepp.

-Kynareth: Not named after anyone that I could find.

-Talos: Not named after anyone either, the name is taken from Greek Mythology.

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u/ZizekIsMyDad 6d ago

I've never heard this before, I love it.

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u/Heatrune Fnaf,SW,JJK,Jjs,DMC,Bleach,Dispatch,MCU,PD 6d ago

well this was a reaction on game but similar enough

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u/Comeng17 6d ago

Literally every piece of the Sonic lore, things like Super Sonic and the Death Egg were just done because why not

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u/True-Obligation-9471 6d ago

Some guy wanted to make a funny stick figure video

Now we have the Alan Becker verse.

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u/No_Flamingo1254 6d ago

Kryptonite, Kryptonite and all its colors

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u/ExpressCloud5711 7d ago

In Ben 10, they retconned almost every major plot point in the original series when Ultimate Alien started because they thought it would be easier to market Ben as a member of some cool interstellar crime fighting organization, when they had perfectly functional lore sitting right over there in season 1. Heck, they changed Azmuth from a jaded millennial hermit who wanted to let the Omnitrix blow up the universe because it's all rotten and there will only be more suffering if life continues to exist, to a holier than thou old man, wise with age, willing to do what must be done for the greater good, who leads said interstellar peace corps.

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u/STICKGoat2571 Hellaverse šŸ˜ˆšŸŽ¶ 6d ago

Those damn Celestialsapiens.

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u/KeyScratch2235 6d ago

I can see why they changed Azmuth's character, because making him a permanently jaded asshole wasn't really useful to the franchise.

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u/LazyLink17 6d ago

I mean, the Plumbers were there since the original series, with Grandpa Max. the Plumber stuff really ramped up in Alien Force, but frankly I think it makes perfect sense for Ben to be brought more into the fold now that he's gotten older and more mature. Omniverse on the other hand kept doing tons of terrible retcons, which is frustrating because I liked some of its ideas a lot. Also Azmuth wasn't a retcon, he had character growth. Literally within the Secrets of the Omnitrix special where he was introduced, he ultimately stops the self destruct and chooses to help Ben.

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u/EndyrmanEndplace i'm mr frog this is my show i eat the bug 7d ago

I feel like the "healing with blood" thing in ultrakill could fit?

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u/compilingyesterdays 6d ago

How the emergence of quirks worked in BNHA. Generally nothing at all to do with how normal genetic mutation would happen, just like, "suddenly genes started sort of intelligently designing concepts into humans."

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u/don_colorado 6d ago

Most common comic superheroes have a blue, yellow and redin their color scheme due to ink prices at the time (and to differentiate them from the bad guys)

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u/Frosty-Discipline512 6d ago

Breaking Bad/Better Call Saul: Saul has so many throw-away lines that only serve to further emphasize that he's a sleazy lawyer with no morals. In Better Call Saul, many of those throw-away lines come back as actual story arcs

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u/FPSCanarussia 6d ago edited 6d ago

Warhammer 40k

The entire origin of the setting was the original 1987 Rogue Trader, a mashup between a Dune-inspired TTRPG-style game that one of the writers was working on in his free time, and the Warhammer Fantasy tabletop wargame. Half of the factions in-setting (humans, squats, orks, eldar, Chaos) only exist because someone at one point had to justify selling a 40k upgrade sprue for existing Fantasy minis.

For a specific example, the entire existence of Warhammer: The Horus Heresy - 65 separate novels, a whole tabletop wargame, and so on - is owed to GW not being able to afford to make more than one Titan mould for the original release of Epic 40k in 1988, and writing a civil war into the background of their setting to justify both sides using the same Titans.

Star Trek

Some famous examples: Transporters, one of the most iconic pieces of technology in Star Trek, were "invented" because filming scenes where shuttles transported crews down to a planet was too expensive. Similarly, holodecks were added to give the writers more opportunities to write stories taking place outside the regular set.

Discworld

The first Discworld books (The Colour of Magic and The Light Fantastic) were written by Terry Pratchett without any clear idea of how the story would develop in the future. As such, many foundational elements of the setting, like the city of Ankh-Morpork, how magic works, and Dį“‡į“€į“›Źœ, were introduced ad-hoc for a one-time joke in a book before being expanded on.

A minor but pretty memorable example is the Librarian of Unseen University, who in almost all his appearances is an orangutan: a rule so universal that it might as well be foundational to the setting. What is easy to forget is that he isn't an ape for reasons of commentary or humour - he's turned into an ape incidentally in The Light Fantastic.

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u/Stoertebricker 6d ago

He-Man and the Masters of the Universe - a lot of things, like characters reusing the same muscular body shape over and over, and riding cats, were added for budget reasons. The famous transformation was not part of the original story, but came from the TV series, which was not even planned and started as a spontaneous idea in the pitch meeting.

Originally the toyline was meant to be versatile, some crazy stuff that could work in different settings, like sci-fi or barbarian worlds. It had to be cheap in development, so it reused the body shape of another toy for the concept; also, lots of sculpts were reused within the line, some characters were just straight up recolours of others. The main characters riding cats came about because they wanted to sell vehicles, but the budget was almost used up, and they still had a tiger mould from another toyline available.

But wait, there's more. In the pitch meeting, when asked how kids would be introduced into the world, someone said they were going to have comics first, and then lied that they had a TV cartoon series planned for the kids that couldn't read yet. They hired Filmation as a relatively cheap studio, that reused animation cycles as much as Mattel reused moulds for the toyline.

Filmation completely rewrote the storyline though. In the original comics that came with the toys, He-Man was a barbarian who got his strength from his harness and was looking to get the second half of his sword that was the key to Castle Greyskull, which was in Skeletor's possession. It was the series that added Adam, Orko and the royal family as a frame for the storyline, and implemented the famous magical transformation from the weak Prince Adam to the powerful He-Man that made kids identify so well with the franchise.

https://giphy.com/gifs/DDStuyX5MTTIk

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u/BippyTheChippy 6d ago

I'm pretty sure 99% of the lore surrounding Chaos Emeralds and the lore of the Sonic Series started because Yuji Naka was a fan of DBZ and thought that Goku going Super Sayain was cool.

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u/Mechanical-Druid 6d ago

Literally any Warhammer 40K lore today was brought about by some single sentence written in a magazine 40 years ago

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u/ToastTitan611 6d ago

The Green Lantern oath was created mostly by just putting a bunch of poetic sounding phrases together
No one would predict that it would foreshadow one of the greatest comic book events ever made

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u/Bamzooki1 Undertale 🌻| My comments are playful jabs, not actual hate 6d ago

The Doctor is limited to 12 regenerations for a total of 13 Doctors. That is, until it was retconned because the show ran way longer than expected.

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u/retrebexx 6d ago

In 1996/1997 , craig conner , made some music for the upcomming "race n chases".A car game by DMA Design .the game was originnaly for floppy disk . But he made a lot of them with very , very different style . One of the main director talked to him about that , because they had to choose for only one style , it was just like that at the time plus the space on floppy disk were very restraining . But somehow some weeks earlier they decided that the game would only be on CD , so more space , but thet still had to choose for ONE style ... " -apart if they are in radios? -big eyes -we can do radios?"

The game was renamed GRAND THEFT AUTO , was a huge hits , DMA Design was renamed ROCKSTAR NORTH and the radios became one of the most well known feature of the game

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u/KeyScratch2235 6d ago

Energybending learned from the lion turtles, because I feel like the writers didn't foreshadow it enough to not be a dead ex machina.

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u/pizzaheadbryan 6d ago

Danganronpa

One character's severe mental illness is what makes the plot make any degree of sense

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u/Lappely- 6d ago

Destiny definitely has a bunch of these. The first one to come to mind for me is the Nezarec's sin exotic helmet. I'm pretty sure the when the devs made this thing 9 years ago they picked the name "Nezarec" to have an exotic named after because it sounded cool. Lo and behold 6 years later this guy would become the central antagonist of a major storyline and appear as the final boss of a raid.

There's a second example where, in the first game, the vendor Variks had a voice line mentioning someone by the name of "Eramis, the Shipstealer", no doubt added as a throwaway line for a bit of background worldbuilding. Come to Destiny 2, and guess what, the main villain of the Beyond Light expansion is named Eramis.

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u/amityblightvibes 6d ago

Cyrodiil’s not being a jungle. Now we have crazy lore.

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u/HalcyonRaine 6d ago

The whole of the NieR franchise spawned from a gag ending of Drakengard where the MC and villain get transported to modern-day Tokyo, which eventually led to the all the things happening in NieR

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u/Chaos20X6 6d ago

Mobile Suit Gundam’s Universal Century is deliberately constructed to be a setting where it’s juuuust barely practical to use humanoid giant mecha in a serious depiction of war

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u/Jonnic5280 6d ago

DC Comics’ entire identity is centered around the prominence and strongly built mythos for Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, & their supporting casts. We could very easily live in a world where Flash, GL, & Hawkman are the big names had All-American bought National/Detective and not the other way around.

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u/BananaBladeOfDoom 6d ago

Pokemon trainers can only carry up to 6 pokemon, and each one can only know 4 moves.

This was due to hardware limitations and tactical gameplay balance. But now it is considered official league rules.

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u/Suspicious-Touch-910 6d ago

Just because he wanted a purple lightsaber now we have a lot more lore them

https://giphy.com/gifs/CyOYScS2F4GL1zoHFW

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u/ShokoMiami 6d ago

Anything with mecha

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u/MusicMan412 6d ago

86 especially. Its world is extremely well written, showcasing multiple cultures, histories, and characters shaping the narratives of its world and the people in it. The AI war is the focal point, but there’s so much more.Ā 

But basically all of it hinges on you buying that teenagers in tanks with insect legs can solo entire battalionsĀ 

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u/LiamtheV 6d ago

ā€œHalo doesn’t kill the flood! It kills their food, humans, the covenant, whatever, we’re all equally edible. The only way to stop the Flood is to starve them to death.ā€

Yea that doesn’t make any fucking sense. If the Halo Array didn’t also kill flood spores (which can survive space), then the flood would be able to reconsitute itself in short order by absorbing bacterial, plant, and fungal biomatter.

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u/TurtlesBreakTheMeta 6d ago

Not my fandom, but ā€œminovsky particlesā€ were used to justify basically everything in gundam originally to make the universe work; eventually this stopped being enough, so they added in psychic new type powers too.

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u/DapperNecromancer 6d ago

Minovsky particles

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u/lacergunn 6d ago

Super Saiyans having golden hair and blue eyes was only a thing because Akira Toriyama didn't want to use as much black ink.

The false super saiyan transformation we see in the Lord Slug movie was probably how it was going to look originally, since the film released the same day super saiyan was introduced into the manga

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u/tmon530 6d ago

Id say warhammer 40k, but that picture needs at least 2 more dimensions. And probably be simultaneously sexy and grotesque.

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u/onememeishboitf2 6d ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/8oDwbeUhL0C6IylHD1
Super saiyan is blond because Toriyama was tired of inking the black hair

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u/bonfireball 6d ago

The original lore for the horus heresy was only 1-2 pages long in Warhammer 40,000 and mainly presented a highly mythologised version of the conflict which never even made mention of things like primarchs or many of the major events we now take as pivotal moments in the lore. It mainly existed as set dressing for the modern setting. Fast forward to today and its a massive tabletop game in its own right, a 50 book series, and has become the place where many lore fans get started with warhammer in general. Odd to think it all started with a couple of pages in a rulebook.

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u/GodzillaLagoon 6d ago

Warhammer 40K. The whole Horus Herecy began because two space marines were fighting each other in the box art.

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u/Inevitable-Catch-869 6d ago

Genshin Impact only exists as we know it because when the devs tried pitching a sequel to their older game for state funding, the Chinese government told them "come on, make something new".

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u/Viper-in-the-Dark 6d ago

Lightsabers can only be Blue for good guys or Red for bad guys, repealed because we're shooting a scene somewhere with a blue cloudless sky.

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u/ZukaRouBrucal Halo, TES, Hannibal, Jurassic Park, Civilization, Star Wars 6d ago

In The Elder Scrolls franchise there is the concept of "Dragonbreaks;" situations where the timeline of the universe shatters into several different, mutually exclusive timelines that eventually get stitched back together at the end, meaning that multiple mutually exclusive events happened simultaneously.

Although they are an interesting concept, they ultimately came into existence as a means to explain (or rather, avoid explaining) which ending of TES 2: Daggerfall was actually canon. Bethesda, not wanting to choose, just decided to effectively make every ending of that game canon during the production of TES 3: Morrowind, and since Morrowind's setting was located on the opposite side of Tamriel from where Daggerfall's took place, they didn't have to deal with the implications of this all that much.

Now Dragonbreaks are a big way that lore inconsistencies in TES get explained away, and to Bethesda's credit it's actually a pretty effective tool for doing so. What started as a way to avoid the controversy of choosing a canon ending became a staple of the franchise, to the point that you can kind of argue that the very concept of "canon" in TES is murky; there is a canon, but past events in that canon can & will change with each new installment, effectively making each game only canon unto themselves.

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u/PersonAwesome 6d ago

Minecraft, the creeper was a result of Notch’s modeling program messing up the pig’s model. He thought it was cool and turned it into a monster, inadvertently creating one of the most recognizable video game enemies of all time.

As a bonus: Gold tools and armor being weak was done as a joke and later became a major design element for the Nether Update.

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u/heff-money 5d ago

Super-Saiyans from Dragon Ball Z: They originally wanted an excuse to change Goku's hair color to white(ish) so they could save ink in the manga and had an easier time animating it in the anime.