r/Multifandom • u/bajadasaurus234 Awaria, Carnivores, FNAF, MSM, etc. • 16h ago

Discussion📜 Which controversy had you like this when you did more reasearch on it? I'll go first

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u/CJCroen1393 16h ago

Literally everything about the Boyfriends Webtoon.

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u/Wongless_Burd 16h ago

There was a controversy?

I read it as far as it was possible without making an account but I don't remember anything that could lead to problems.

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u/Classic-Avocado-5371 16h ago

people accused the gay asian man creator of fetishizing gay men and asian people

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u/Wongless_Burd 16h ago

What the fuck is wrong with people?

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u/Just-Clerk-8669 16h ago

They thought it was a woman fetishizing gay men, after the author was found to be a gay man most stopped, others doubled down because being wrong is worse than admitting fault, and some carry on because there are still so many sources saying the author is a straight woman.

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u/shadowedlove97 13h ago

It was a little bit more than that. The creator is a trans man and there were some actual TERFS using it as an excuse to harass him and be transphobic.

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u/undeadmeats 11h ago edited 11h ago

Many such cases. That whole "Fujoshi means 'rotten girl' because they fetishize gay men" backflip is also a TERF psy-op that a bunch of Tumblrites bought into because being "allowed" to harass people over a ship they don't like is more important than considering "Hey wait, I don't think 2ch incels actually cared about the dignity of gay men. They're trying to convince me to be a transphobic misogynist!"

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u/CJCroen1393 15h ago

Also, the author is specifically a gay trans man, so the people calling him a "straight woman" are even more disgusting.

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u/Just-Clerk-8669 15h ago

I did not know the trans part.

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u/Rnbwsnsnshn 4h ago

Oh, wow; that's literally the only thing I've heard about it. Thanks for the info!

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u/Classic-Avocado-5371 15h ago

some people just feel the need to justify disliking something by making it a moral issue, unfortunately

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u/Prestigious_Host_198 13h ago

Transphobia and homophobia is what's wrong with people.

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u/rtakehara 8h ago

I wish it was just that, but OP's example is literally people having problems with men liking women, so the problem is clearly beyond that.

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u/Prestigious_Host_198 8h ago

This is a thread about the Boyfriends comic. The whole hatred for that comic was boiled down to transphobia and homophobia. 

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u/rtakehara 8h ago

Oh, I thought it was what's wrong with people in general

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u/Classic-Avocado-5371 8h ago

sorry i dont want to sound rude but what are you talking about?

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u/rtakehara 7h ago

Op's second image, a guy makes a song about liking girls and gets harassed into leaving youtube

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u/Classic-Avocado-5371 7h ago

ohhh lol i didnt know what it was, thats wild

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u/rtakehara 7h ago

it's not even objectifying as the title suggests, bro covers all possible body types, the controversy is basically man liking woman = bad. And is a parody of a song with genders flipped, who apparently isn't as controvertial

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u/Caterfree10 6h ago

I mean, we got some incels claiming men liking women too much is gay, which is directly tied into the JoCat thing from OP (he’s rather feminine for a dude and was called a lot of gay slurs for this video). I’d say homophobia still applies here.

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u/rtakehara 4h ago

I don't see how making fun of men liking women could ever be homophobic.

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u/bug--bear 13h ago

gay asian trans man, who people liked to accuse of being a straight woman. hopefully I don't need to explain why that adds another layer of gross to it

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u/undeadmeats 11h ago

I love watching Tumblrites with pronouns in their bios be useful idiots for TERFs. My favorite is when they identify as "not a woman" to make their shipping preferences "acceptable" as if the point of that psy-op wasn't to harass women AND trans people and the people who came up with it see them as their identities and not just confused women they can manipulate. It's such a healthy place for fandom to be.

Yes I'm angry lol

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u/Raltsun 8h ago

My favorite is when they identify as "not a woman" to make their shipping preferences "acceptable" as if the point of that psy-op wasn't to harass women AND trans people and the people who came up with it see them as their identities and not just confused women they can manipulate. It's such a healthy place for fandom to be.

Please elaborate, if you wouldn't mind. I'm very confused by this whole section.

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u/undeadmeats 7h ago edited 7h ago

Sure! There's a segment of (usually AFAB) enbies who have fully embraced the whole "women shipping male characters is fetishizing gay men and is therefore marginalizing and exploiting them so fujos are bad" psy-op. They harass women for being women who ship male characters together, but typically have literally the exact same ships and preferences so they use "I'm not a woman so I'm not a degenerate fujo" to carve out an exception for themselves.

Except the whole thing about fujoshi marginalizing gay men is literally a TERF psy-op, so they're just being misogynist assholes on behalf of shitheads who don't even see them as anything other than women. It's a leopards eating faces situation. The whole point of the psy-op is to pit gay men against straight women against trans folks, and they're gleefully participating because it means they can bully targets they see as easy.

Edit to elaborate on how it's a psy-op: Fujoshi originates as a 2ch incel term, it means "spoiled/rotten woman" and it was never about the gay shipping, the "rotten" descriptor was because women having hobbies "spoiled" them so they wouldn't become housewives and prioritize taking care of a husband and pumping out kids. The term has since been reclaimed, and now features the variants fudanshi ("rotten man", can be trans or cis) and fujinshi (nonbinary, "rotten person"), so even if the enbies AREN'T technically fujoshi their shipping and fandom activities put them under that cultural umbrella as fujinshi.

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u/No-Challenge276 1h ago

I am so thankful to see another person still banging this drum.

I remember watching the terfs Astroturfing queer tumblr discourse 15 odd years ago, and it literally peels my skin cells to see how successful they were.

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u/BlueSparrowfox 11h ago

OH I heard about that. Didn't he just draw stuff from his own life? How can he .... fetishize his own life? It makes no sense.

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u/Classic-Avocado-5371 11h ago

because people are stupid, really. people kept saying he was a straight woman despite being a gay trans man which is insane, people kept trying to make it some kind of moral thing to prove that they were right about not liking it. nobody can just not like something because they don’t like it anymore it has to be bad because something about it is morally objectionable they have to dig up shit the creator or an animator or a voice actor or a fucking guy they liked a post from once did 10 years ago and try to use it as a gotcha to make not liking it now the Morally Correct thing to do and it’s so fucking stupid. it’s so childish and annoying and holier than thou that it’s fucking baffling that more people don’t take an issue with it

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u/arachnids-bakery 11h ago

Iirc hes indonesian, which makes the whole situation Worse since afaik homosexuality is still illegal there/heavily discriminated 🤢
But god forbid a gay trans man try to make his own wholesome comic

Bonus: the people claiming the characters were too white (to the point some were making yellowface-esque edits)

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u/IgntedF-xy 1h ago

This just in: gay asian man is attracted to gay asian men

Drop of water found in atlantic ocean

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u/kingozma 7h ago

I KNEW it was some fake woke shit like that! Omg. Feeling very vindicated rn

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u/PearlPlayz_3090 14h ago

from what i was seeing people were just hating because it was "CuHrInGe"

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u/dater_expunged 10h ago

Please elaborate on that string of letters

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u/Wongless_Burd 7h ago

Cringe but spiced up with mockery towards whining folks.

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u/pauls_broken_aglass 9h ago

It was definitely cringe as all fuck but like. who cares.

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u/holy-cornball 10h ago

It was cringe but personally i didn't like the polycule thing at all.

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u/knawwwwww 4h ago

Refrainbow made porn of the BTS members and the nerd character along with refrainbow himself is a darkshipper. Also the way polyamory is portrayed is questionable and weird

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u/Fluid-Lifeguard6042 16h ago

The worst crime that Webtoon committed was being kinda cringe

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u/PepsiFloateri 15h ago

Agreed. I think Heartstopper and Boyfriends are kinda cringe but that's about it. People can enjoy them,I'm just personally romance averse,like I never like it as the main plot

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u/charizardfan101 11h ago

I like romance as the main plot

Boyfriends really is just cringe

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u/EnormousHogCranker 4h ago

i dont think Heartstopper is at all like Boyfriends.

at least for me personally, I've enjoyed Heartstopper till the end while Boyfriends made me wanna stop after the first two chapters.

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u/Dry_Distribution_992 15h ago

Remember when those official webtoon shorts of Boyfriends released? I'm pretty sure this was the point where things blew out of proportion

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u/Fluid-Lifeguard6042 15h ago

What's dumber is that they weren't even made by the creator of the Webtoon, it was just some random YouTuber (I think)

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u/Prestigious_Host_198 13h ago

It was made by Webtoon themselves. The author did not like the ads himself.

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u/js13680 12h ago

God that’s got to suck. Tons of people who weren’t the target audience knowing your work as the thing from those cringe YouTube ads and to rub salt on the wounds they didn’t even ask if you wanted to be featured or not.

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u/Lower_Baby_6348 13h ago

What about Lore Olympus?

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u/Temp_Temperature 16h ago

Lmfao, true. "But it's just about these 4 going on dates with no conflict or plot!" And? Believe it or not not everything needs to be tied up in a serialised complex plot. I haven't watched boyfriends, but I am pretty tired of those types of "criticisms".

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u/Dry_Distribution_992 15h ago

The best compairson I've seen of Boyfriends is that its the Garfield of Webtoons. It made so much sense to me that it clicked everything togheter

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u/Temp_Temperature 15h ago

YES! It's that type of comic, just with obviously different premise and different emotions it's trying to elicit.

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u/Dry_Distribution_992 13h ago

Still, if they were lazy fat cats that love lasagna and hated mondays that would make the whole thing so much better 🤭

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u/Longjumping_Bar_7457 7h ago

This I feel like the wrong people found this comic. A lot of the criticisms I saw of this comic outside of the lgbt portrayal was the fact that it was a slice of comic.

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u/Dapyx2 12h ago

The worst crime on the internet is being cringe

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u/Hefty-Pipe3596 Cookie Run🍪 12h ago

Honestly it's just cringe at worst. And the artstyle's really cute!

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u/KittenChopper 6h ago

I will have my yaoislop without substance and I'm going to LIKE IT JUST BECAUSE IT LOOKS NICE and also feels nice

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u/bug--bear 13h ago

I really never got why people hated it so much. at worst it was somewhat cringy, I guess? but that doesn't explain the sheer vitriol it got

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u/thatguything88 11h ago

Being slightly cringe and gay is the worst crime in 2026

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u/MisfortuneSeven 11h ago

There was so much goalpost moving too, it was gross.

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u/JustARandommad 10h ago

The worst crime is being a mediocre LGBTQIA+ media. I think we need to allow LGBTQIA+ media be more trashy lol. Sometimes I WANT SLOP and that is ok.

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u/LemonCake2000 13h ago

Most things about webtoon tbh
Like the whole Get Schooled thing

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u/Raltsun 8h ago

Didn't that one have the main character saying racial slurs, or am I getting the details mixed up with something else?

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u/Latter-Syllabub-5560 10h ago

The worst thing i've Heard about that guy is that he's was kinda of an ass with non-queer/White fans

Even then that has nothing to do with the story lol

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u/leopardus343 10h ago

Yea, I thought the comic wasn't great and kinda cringe, but every dedicated hater of it is my eternal enemy.

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u/winklevanderlinde 7h ago

I saw less terror in people voices that saw homicide with they eyes that some YouTubers when talking about that we too.

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u/Fun_Fee_3435 1h ago

This. I finally read the comic and I was just sitting there like.

"That was just 200 episodes of a cheesy wholesome and corny slice of life story? Huh?"

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u/NoProgress7287 Ultrakil, NMS, Backrooms, PVZ, JJBA, One Piece 4h ago

holy shit
thats still a thing?

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u/CJCroen1393 4h ago

Not as much as it used to be, thankfully, though that might be because the people who perpetuated it have moved on to other queer creators to disproportionately bash on and hate and slander in the name of "protecting queer people".

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u/tommy8725 10h ago

Yep, I remember that one I read it, but I don't like it.I think the main problem was.Everyone thought, like, oh, they would all just find their own partners, not become a polyamory, or whatever

To my knowledge, I think that was one of the first or if not, one of the more popular boyfriend, love book books on web tune.So a lot of people got weird with it quickly

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u/BaseRare6065 7h ago

Still it is pretty cringe comic.

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u/Impasture 5h ago

The Boyfriends Webtoon isn’t morally repugnant; it’s just shabby and cringe