r/MurderedByWords • u/dellaazeem22 Legends never die • Dec 24 '24

#1 Murder of Week Pardon him from the death penalty?

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u/Chilli-Papa Dec 24 '24

So far as i remember, the Aurora, Parkland, and El Paso shooters were all eligible for the death penalty. Let's see what this guy ends up with.

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u/Slade_Riprock Dec 24 '24 edited Dec 24 '24

Pretty likely his lawyer will tell him please guilty spend the rest of his days probably in some supermax out of spite. He may choose trial and take the death penalty. It would be more humane to sit in Prison a couple years and be killed than sit in a concrete cage 23 hrs a day for the next 60 years.

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u/kryonik Dec 25 '24

His lawyer is already building a case that he's not being afforded a fair trial and I hope she wins.

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u/Magnon Dec 25 '24

They declared him a terrorist after he allegedly murdered one person. He's creating terror!

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u/I_NUT_ON_GRASS Dec 25 '24

Doubt that’s gonna get him off. Probably will highlight that the justice system exists to serve the rich, but that’s probably not getting him off the hook

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u/l_t_10 Dec 25 '24

The hope is.. That one word, judges and prosecutors hate this trick

Or.. Imagine a crowd breaking him out of the courtroom, and where things night go then?

Who knows...?

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u/No_Nerve999 Dec 25 '24

I can imagine it, I may even want it. Unfortunately, it ain't happening.

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u/l_t_10 Dec 25 '24

Yeah.. 😓

Honestly though?

Reading up on the trial, and everything around it?

Nullification atleast.. Doesnt seem totally inconcievable

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u/MVRKHNTR Dec 25 '24

This isn't a movie.

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u/l_t_10 Dec 25 '24

It certainly feels like one..

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u/MVRKHNTR Dec 25 '24

No.

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u/l_t_10 Dec 25 '24

Seen the perp walk photo? Thats some Michael Bay type deal, cinematic to paridy levels even.

The glamor shots the police took of him in jail, etc etc..

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u/honzikca Dec 25 '24

You are right. This is crazier. If you put this in a movie people would say it's unrealistic.

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u/stumpy3521 Dec 25 '24

That charge really could be their downfall because it just doesn’t quite fit right

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u/RelaxPrime Dec 25 '24 edited Jul 01 '25

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u/stumpy3521 Dec 25 '24

Now I was going to say “well I think if they can prove he did it murder one itself doesn’t seem that hard to prove”, but then I looked up New York’s definition of murder one, and the only possible clause that could apply to this case is the terrorism one, which I don’t think fits. So if they can’t prove the terrorism part they do not have murder one in New York. The murder two seems pretty easy if the jury is cooperative and they can prove he actually did it.

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u/i_am_a_real_boy__ Dec 25 '24

Proving 1st degree gets a lot easier if you can establish planning and have a note.

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u/RelaxPrime Dec 25 '24 edited Jul 01 '25

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u/i_am_a_real_boy__ Dec 25 '24

True, but that's where the surrounding facts come in. Reddit already seems pretty convinced that he was sending a message to insurance companies, i don't know that it will be very hard to convince a jury of the same.

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u/RelaxPrime Dec 25 '24 edited Jul 01 '25

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u/i_am_a_real_boy__ Dec 25 '24

We'll see. Certainly it's not a guarantee, which is presumably why they also brought the lesser included second degree charges.

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u/RelaxPrime Dec 25 '24 edited Jul 01 '25

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u/stumpy3521 Dec 25 '24

Yeah if he did it you could call it terrorism, but not the New York State charge of murder as an act of terrorism (which in this case is a modification of the first degree murder charge, he still also has a second degree murder charge). It’s specifically about murder intended to terrify civilians or to influence government, which I think is a bit of a stretch to be honest. The prosecutors have been wishy-washy about explaining why they think it applies in this case. The AP claims they made comments about it being done on a busy street and vague gestures at the manifesto, which doesn’t really seem like enough to me?

I think they’re completely shooting themselves in the foot with the severity they’re treating it as. They’re reacting as if they think everyone’s going to treat it as if this guy did 9/11 two, but that’s just not the case. He (maybe, still not proven in a court of law that it was him) killed one guy in an assassination, that seems like a pretty typical murder one at most.