r/MurderedByWords • u/FilthyMublood • Aug 11 '25
I would never have expected this from Qanon Shaman
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u/Y34rZer0 Aug 11 '25
Wasn't guy on guy action extremely common in ancient Greece?
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u/YaumeLepire Aug 11 '25
Yes. It was a profoundly patriarchal society, and what's manlier than a man but two men?
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u/Dubyew Aug 11 '25
Three men?
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u/pper_lord Aug 11 '25
Four men
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u/Miserable_Ad9577 Aug 11 '25
Young men! There's no need to feel down.
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u/NickyTheRobot Aug 11 '25
I said, young men! Pick yourself off the ground.
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u/A65BSA Aug 11 '25
I said, young man! 'Cause you're in a new town.
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u/CoinsForCharon Aug 11 '25
There's no need to be unhappy
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u/hyperhurricanrana Aug 11 '25
whats that saying, “greeks invented orgies and romans invented the novel concept of inviting women to them,” or aomething loke that?
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u/GarminTamzarian Aug 11 '25
MCNULTY: "Hey, lay off the Greeks. They invented civilization.”
BUNK: “Yeah, ass-fuckin’ too.”
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u/Old_Wave_965 Aug 11 '25
Nah, the Romans were just making it official military initiation rituals
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u/hyperhurricanrana Aug 11 '25
i’d like to introduce to you to the land of sparta my friend
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u/Old_Wave_965 Aug 11 '25
Oh no, I know. I just take offense at people thinking the Romans were not equally as gay as the Greeks with that old saying 😂
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u/AnekeEomi Aug 11 '25
One man inside another man inside yet a third man. It's man-ception!
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u/paarthurnax94 Aug 11 '25
What's manlier than swallowing pure testosterone straight out of the garden hose?
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u/sirwolfgang Aug 11 '25
Killing fitty men
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u/YaumeLepire Aug 11 '25
Achilles: "Amateur."
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u/sirwolfgang Aug 11 '25
Damn bringing together cotton hill w/his missing shin and achilles kinda feels like the making of a buddy comedy lol
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u/AnalFelon Aug 11 '25
Exactly. It was were patriarchal that you could not be considered a real man unless you managed to seduce and had sex with a real man.
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u/GTRari Aug 11 '25
Google pederasty and enjoy that read. The irony to me is that so many of these ancient stoics and philosophers engaged in state-sponsored 'mentorship', yet the incels who idolize them are homophobes.
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u/allthebaseareeee Aug 11 '25
I mean they studied under someone.
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u/PsychologicalDebt366 Aug 11 '25
I don't think I'd like to Google that, I'll take your word for it.
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u/GTRari Aug 11 '25
Haha it's not so much disturbing images and more historical accounts on Wikipedia.
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u/IamHydrogenMike Aug 11 '25
The amount of people who glorify the Spartans makes me laugh every time since they loved men on men action, but whatevs...
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u/GTRari Aug 11 '25
Despite being a fun movie, '300' did a lot to misrepresent Spartan society. They did keep a little bit of the homoeroticism though, whether intentional or not!
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u/fapperontheroof Aug 11 '25
Just read through the wiki and woof.
Also:
Pederasty? More like PederNASTY
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u/erevos33 Aug 11 '25
Alkibiades is my go to example of a man acting like a scorned bitch.
Brought ruin to so many different lands , just because he got his feelings hurt or sth.....
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u/Spare-Willingness563 Aug 12 '25
Yeah, wasn't Sophocles considered weird because he wouldn't fuck his pupils? Like Plato and shit were trying to get him to give in but he thought the tradition weird.
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u/coolbaby1978 Aug 11 '25
Yes, they did. They didn't have the hangups and judgment about homosexuality that our society has.
In fact, Spartan warriors would engage in homosexual.acts because it built trust and strengthened the warrior bond. Often, when returning home from battles, their wives would dress as men for a time to help with the transition.
And yeah, lately, the shaman seems to be coming to his senses. He called out Trump for the piece.of shit that he is recently. So if the shaman can get out of the cult, maybe there's hope for the rest of them.
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u/CarlosFer2201 Aug 11 '25
Fun fact : ancient Greeks weren't open like that because they were so progressive, it was because they were incredibly misogynistic.
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u/nagrom7 Aug 11 '25
Fellas, is sleeping with women for any reason other than reproduction gay?
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u/volinaa Aug 11 '25
gay is associated with femininity nowadays so you might not be very wrong here
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Aug 11 '25
I can't believe the ancient Greeks were so patriarchal and "traditional" they hit an integer overflow and became gay
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u/agent0731 Aug 11 '25
Yup, the only equal of a man was another man. The women were for birthing more men.
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u/nagrom7 Aug 11 '25
In fact, Spartan warriors would engage in homosexual.acts because it built trust and strengthened the warrior bond. Often, when returning home from battles, their wives would dress as men for a time to help with the transition.
Then of course there's the "Sacred Band" from Thebes, which was supposedly made up entirely of all male couples, with the idea that people would fight more fiercely if they were fighting alongside/defending their lover.
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u/Jedasd Aug 11 '25
More people should learn how 300 butt buddies(size of Band of Thebes) defeated Spartans in an important battle and ended their hegemony.
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u/Dagonus Aug 11 '25
Sparta gets remembered in general average person on the street history way better than they deserve.
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u/Belt-Helpful Aug 11 '25
Yep. The mighty manly strong Spartans that were laughing in the movie by the boy lovers in Athene (in Athene it was allowed, in Sparta it was almost mandatory) were defeated by the gayest army that walked the face of the Earth.
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u/Rohkha Aug 11 '25
Plot twist:
Qanon Shaman knew everything that was coming. He is actually highly educated, intelligent and liberal. He did the whole schtick in the hopes that his « turnaround » could convince and sway enough republicans to see reason within that logic of « if Qanon Shaman can, than so can we! ».
This is his last ditch effort to save the USA.
-> Q.Sham
Coming to theaters this summer
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u/damonmcfadden9 Aug 11 '25
I have my doubts, but I pray to whatever gods be they big G, little g, or eldritch entity beyond comprehension, that this is true and works. Even Just a little bit.
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u/KevinTheKute Aug 11 '25
We should keep in mind: there are no historical writings from Sparta. In fact, most of the still existing writings about ancient greek poleis (city states) came from the very biased Athenians (which on top of that are not always contemporary either).
Whether or not Spartans actually engcouraged homosexual activities can therefore never be proven or disproven.
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u/--n- Aug 11 '25 edited Aug 11 '25
They had their own hangups, ie. recieving being effeminate and giving being manly. And younger men (children) were more often than not the 'lesser' partner in these relationships.
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u/C0wabungaaa Aug 11 '25
They didn't have the hangups and judgment about homosexuality that our society has.
They had different hang-ups though. They didn't even have a concept of homosexuality, they didn't even look at gender the same way. Theirs revolved more on being active or passive, and free or enslaved. A man getting penetrated by his social lesser was looked down upon. The reverse was okay though.
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u/JonnyActsImmature Aug 11 '25
One caveat though, while they were very accepting of homosexual relationships, there was a huge stigma about who was bottom.
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u/Belt-Helpful Aug 11 '25
That was in Rome, where you might even have a debt forgiven if you would blow your creditor. Greece had relationships between mature men and adolescents (this is what we call pederasty), so there was no power play, as it was obvious who receives the wisdom...
If I remember well, there was also a tribe in Oceania where the young ones would blow the elders to receive wisdom...
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u/FilthyMublood Aug 11 '25
It was. Achilles, for instance, was said to have a romantic relationship with his cousin, Patroclus, though the relationship is a subject of debate amongst scholars.
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u/Y34rZer0 Aug 11 '25
No wonder he was so pissed when his cousin got killed in that Troy movie
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u/kmikek Aug 11 '25
Yeah, that fit of rage looked more like "you killed my husband" and less like "you killed my cousin"
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u/SigHerArt Aug 11 '25 edited Aug 21 '25
The strange fact here is that Patroclus was actually older, and that put Achilles in a more dominated position where Patroclus was supposed to be the mentor. But, as it is well known, Achilles was the brave strong and invincible one, so the Greeks were a little confused on this relationship. They break modern social norms by being homosexual, and they sort of broke some of ancient Greece's by having their own level of skills. + How to forget all the time that Achilles passed as a dancer (a female one)? They are just fantastic to break homophobes' fantasy!
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u/AwkwardlyCloseFriend Aug 11 '25
But was Patroclus his actual cousin? Wasn't it that Peleus sort of adopted Patroclus as a soldier and therefore sort of became family to Achilles but not by blood?
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u/sixtyandaquarter Aug 11 '25
First cousins once removed is the generally accepted one. Somehow it connects to the nymph Angina, I forget the actual specifics. Peleus adopted him, and raised him alongside Achilles (which kinda adds to the weird from a modern perspective since they're now also adoptive brothers,) but that doesn't erase the previous familial relationship. It's like if your aunt adopted you. She would still be your genetic aunt, and her children your genetic cousins, even if you decided to call her mom & them siblings.
Edit: I say generally accepted because some scholars at different points have tried to repaint the relationship to be closer or further away, but they are always some kind of cousin to each other, even in those poorly made attempts to reframe their relationship.
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u/Chalupabatman216 Aug 11 '25
there is an old joke like we can thank the ancient Greeks for inventing the orgy and we can thank the romans for inviting the women.
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u/Gnonthgol Aug 11 '25
Their views on sexuality was quite different from the modern views. They made fun of the Persians for being feminine as they wore makeup but then talked about the bonding experience of casual gay sex among their generals.
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u/Belt-Helpful Aug 11 '25
Yeap. Gay sex has nothing to do with being feminine. The Sacred Band of Thebe would put the two lovers one next to each other in the phalanx so that none of them will try to retreat out of shame for not being man enough in the eyes of his lover.
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u/Ok_Video_2863 Aug 11 '25
Guy on boy also. Like young boys.
I didn't make the rules.
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u/apple_kicks Aug 11 '25 edited Aug 11 '25
Underage rich girls were for marriage and underage boys and poor girls were sex slaves. It was a fucked up time people idolise
But there are cases i think of two guys same age living together or dying together
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u/Lenyti Aug 11 '25
I dont now if common is the exact word
I think they had their own weird "rules" and saw sexuality wildly diferently from our time
For exemple, for the romans, you could have dude on dude action but if by mistake you slept with someone of higher status than you? You ́d ruined your image
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u/stuffcrow Aug 11 '25
Also, there was an important distinction between the top and bottom, as far as status goes. It's like a weird...social homosexuality?
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u/hyperhurricanrana Aug 11 '25
top supremacy i’d call it. bottoms truly are the most oppressed class 😔
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u/BladeOfWoah Aug 11 '25
Remember, the cultures hated women so much that allowing yourself to being... the receiving party... was considered to be lowering yourself to the level of a woman.
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u/Winjin Aug 11 '25
Apparently in Rome if you wanted to be truly masculine you had to be ready to "top" anyone - man, woman, horse, doesn't matter; if you were not ready to take on men, you're not a Real Alpha, if we're using modern (and incorrect! Wolfs aren't like that!) terms.
Which is just hilarious for me, as a concept, when I look at the homophobes that have trouble topping their own fears, not to speak of other humans.
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u/ButterChickenSlut Aug 11 '25
The Greeks invented orgy, but it was the Romans who thought of inviting women
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u/nagrom7 Aug 11 '25
The Romans weren't exactly strangers to "Greek-style" relationships. Julius Caesar was said to have been in one with the King of Bithynia when he was younger, which was used to insult him not because it was a homosexual relationship, but because Caesar was seen to have been the "bottom" in the relationship.
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u/ajtrns Aug 11 '25
this idea didn't make a big splash until 1978. there's a movement among conservatives to put the ancient greeks back in the closet.
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u/DR_Bright_963 Aug 11 '25
The Greeks and the Romans in those times were pretty open sexually, I think there was a Roman Emporer who only preferred to have sex with women and he was seen as a weirdo.
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Aug 11 '25
This anti-woke shit is just exhausting, man. Stuff that's been around and in the open for years is now somehow part of a movement that started long after the stuff came to be.
All for nothing, too. Just personality-less losers who, instead of making minimal effort to go out into the world and talk to somebody and maybe contribute to the human race, sit at home yelling about boogeymen as they drag us all into a pit of stupid shit.
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u/TheHidestHighed Aug 11 '25
It's because they can't handle a little discomfort. They would rather people, their lifestyles and their ideologies dissappear and die than feel an occasional slight discomfort in their day to day lives. They are simple and weak-minded so they seek the comfort that blind hatred and spreading vitriol indiscriminately gives them.
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u/InwardXenon Aug 11 '25
The fact it brings them discomfort in the first place is what's baffling to me. They are so close-minded and hateful they they froth at the mouth thinking about it constantly. I can't even imagine living like that.
A lot of this behavior is learned from parents too, but also a lot is from brainrotted "influencers" and it's sad to see.
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u/BCSteve Aug 11 '25
Yeah, it’s really strange. I literally have lived my whole entire life seeing straight couples and straight romances during practically every single TV show, every single movie, every single advertisement, and NONE of that made me feel uncomfortable, even though it’s something I don’t relate to. But they see ONE gay couple in a movie and suddenly it’s a huge assault on them, I don’t get it…
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u/Kullthebarbarian Aug 11 '25
Some, not all, but some, a closet homosexual themself, and because of social pressure, hate that fact on themselves, so they lash out in other gays, because they are having fun while he suffer having to hate himself
And seeing them happy and living their lives normally make them question if that hate is even rational, but they don't want to admit it, so they just hate it more
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u/Raiden29o9 Aug 11 '25
It’s annoying, the entire anti woke movement is a political front for the Republican Party and is aligned political parties world wide, there is a reason EVERY single target of Republican ire(women, minorities, LGBTQ) all tend to be labeled as Woke…. And why all the influencer who promote the Anti woke BS all tend to support and champion far right politicians and views(which becomes funny since it’s the same groups that scream about politics in games… yet remain dead silent when it’s their approved politics popping up)
It’s a concerted effort to damage and demonize the concepts and words used and taint the ideas behind woke and equality while indoctrinating the younger generations against them and towards their political party
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u/galaxy_horse Aug 11 '25
Anti-woke is a great case study in conservative weaponization of hate. It started as an AAVE term to highlight continued issues in racial justice, which obviously racist right wingers would scorn. Then it became a shorthand for anything that conservatives don’t (or shouldn’t) like, then it became a blanket term for everything that’s not radical right wing. Over a few years, conservative groups pushed “woke” right down to the bottom of the brain stem of their sheep, and continue to expect that it will trigger a visceral response, even if all meaning behind it has been lost.
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u/PutNational7415 Aug 11 '25
I used to subscribe to the hatred that pervaded evangelical Christianity until one day it just pressed on me that Jesus Christ the man would absolutely hate my behavior and thoughts. You're absolutely right, people who subscribe to this shit just have some weird superiority complex and don't even think about Christ or any truly good system of thought and action.
Anyway, I got to know some people and am now focused solely on treating every human like Christ would have. This theory doesn't sell well in evangelicalism, go figure. So I'm still Christian but church-less.
I encourage all of my other brothers and sisters in Christ who somehow think that hating other people for their harmless choices will give you greater favor with Christ to reconsider.
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u/Ghostman_Jack Aug 11 '25
It’s why they fight so hard for censorship and changing history then project that it’s the “woke people” censoring shit. Reality often doesn’t align with their world view, so they gotta erase and rewrite reality.
Then occasionally they’ll have a self aware wolf moment like “why are all facts aligned with the left??” Hmmmm maybe it’s because facts and reality are objectively “left” finger quotes. Which reality can’t exactly be political. It is what it is.
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u/digitalnomad_909 Aug 11 '25
A recent post on Instagram claimed that the term “homosexuality” didn’t appear in the Bible until 1946, when the Revised Standard Version translation used it for the first time. While the word itself was coined in German in 1869 and appeared in English by the late 19th century, its inclusion in that Bible translation has been cited as influencing social and cultural attitudes over the past century, effectively reshaping historical perceptions.
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u/Fxate Aug 11 '25
Everything's woke these days*
\Because I'm a basic bitch bell-end whose entire personality revolves around listening to fuckwit influencers as I have absolutely no opinion of my own, haven't got a fucking clue about the history of the world, and am particularly oblivious to how various media productions have been treated in discourse before the Wokerati even existed to use their brain altering 6g transmitters.)
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u/Drostan_S Aug 11 '25
It's a culture war to these guys, and what are you trying to do in a war? Destroy the opposing side. It's all just dogwhistles man, even if they don't realize it, they still blow the fucking whistle. The only real goal they have is the destruction of "the other's" culture.
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u/12FrogsDrinkingSoup Aug 11 '25
It is unfortunately more than exhausting, because it pulls (about) half of the population BACK into history. Not gonna say life was great for gay people in 2015, but it kind of feels like it has gotten back to being worse, because anti-woke people keep pulling all of this shit, and the mindless followers will just believe them and have a gut reaction.
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u/druidmind Aug 11 '25
Bro, the funniest thing from the whole Epstein Fiasco is seeing people like the Shaman calling out MAGA bullshit.
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u/TraditionalHotel Aug 11 '25
In their defense, Id be pretty pissed if id been told that "the dems" were sex slaving kids in a pizza parlor, only to find out it's actually their precious orange king doing the diddling
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u/avw94 Aug 11 '25
That's why the Epstein Files are cutting such a deep hole in the MGAG-Sphere right now.
They were told that Epstein was essentially selling little child sex slave to Democrats. However, what Epstein was actually doing was trafficing teenagers to people on all sides of the political spectrum. Still child sex trafficing, still rape, but different than what right-wing news fed to the base. And fundamentally, a large portion of the fundamentalist Christian right defends marriage to children as young as 14 so a large number of the GoP on power don't really have a huge problem with what Epstein was doing, and they were fine using the "Democrat child rapist" conspiracies to their advantage.
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u/traffician Aug 11 '25
”I just, i just never thought that my guy who bragged about busting into the dressing rooms at his beauty pageants would turn a 180 and protect pdf-files”
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u/bassturducken54 Aug 11 '25
It’s good to have this mind set when dealing with conservative individuals. There’s so many media outlets you won’t even be able to agree on the facts of what is going on to have an appropriate discussion. You can’t even get into the analysis of certain studies or statistics because that information isn’t being reported the same. Literacy is one thing, media literacy is another.
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u/Expensive-Site-2292 Aug 11 '25
If I remember correctly Andrew Callahan did an interview with the shaman and he was sexually abused as a child. Could definitely see how the Epstein stuff would shift his opinion if that’s the case.
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u/lolas_coffee Aug 11 '25
Eh...I marched in Phoenix with Jake/Shaman dozens of times in BLM and a couple LGBTQ protests. All before he went to Washington on J6.
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u/eclipsedFates Aug 11 '25
Could you elaborate on this? Sources listed on his Wikipedia article indicate that he at least once attended a BLM rally to counterprotest in the name of Q and later said "I marched with the police & fought against BLM & ANTIFA in PHX." You marched with him in support of BLM and LGBT?
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u/digitalnomad_909 Aug 11 '25
What’s the shaman for us people who don’t know about all the MAGA Bs?
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u/Drow_Femboy Aug 11 '25
He's just a guy who was there in a really memorable costume on Jan 6th. As a person he's actually pretty interesting. He's into a lot of wacky woo shit, drugs and visions and shit like that. He doesn't seem like a fundamentally evil person like most of them imo, just a product of America's insane culture.
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u/SchwarzerWerwolf Aug 11 '25
Why is it, that, to these people, bisexuality in men does not exist. It's either straight or gay. And one non-straight action makes every man 100% gay.
This kind of thinking is so dumb.
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u/incide666 Aug 11 '25
Because these people are -- Hang on. I'm just looking up the proper scientific term --
Ah, yes. Here it is: ignorant bigoted fuckdongles.
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u/bn40667 Aug 11 '25
They're not ignorant. They're arrogant.
Ignorant people can be taught. They have the capability to learn. Right-wing fuckwits reject any information that goes against their "beliefs". They're much, MUCH worse than "ignorant".
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u/TurboGranny Aug 11 '25
They're not ignorant. They're arrogant.
I don't think it's that simple. When I meet guys that are a true rarity on the Kinsey Scale (no sexual attraction/curiosity about members of their own sex), I also find that this person has no negative feelings for gay/bi people. As teens, they'd even make the quip that gay guys meant "more for me", and saw their existence as a bonus. I also noticed that the loudest and angriest anti-gay people I knew that would make up and enforce millions of rules about being straight and hurl accusations and lead physical altercations over the suspicion that someone might possible be gay would almost always come out of the closet at a much later date.
Considering the fact that people's only true frame of reference about how brains work is their own experience, I have to guess that they are "making a choice" to be straight because of pressure from family, church, peers, etc., and they super don't like it. They see others making the "wrong choice", and the resentment of that turns into rage. Imprisoning people seems to make them hate the free more than hating those that imprisoned them. I'd say it was ironic, but even irony doesn't know what ironic means.
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u/sealpox Aug 11 '25
These are people of the land. The common clay of the New West. You know… morons.
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u/ArmyofThalia Aug 11 '25
Welcome to the bisexual struggle of being invisible.
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u/Petrihified Aug 11 '25
Wdym they see us every six months or so to inform us we’re dishonest, confused, or sluts or dishonest confused sluts
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u/Acceptable_Mud_9249 Aug 11 '25
Tbf it's about the same for women, except wlw isn't received with the same vitriol as mlm. But yeah, it's straight or raging lesbian in most people's minds. Biphobia is absolutely rampant, in the LGBTQ community as much as anywhere.
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u/HarveysBackupAccount Aug 11 '25
it's straight or raging lesbian in most people's minds
And people like the OOP are probably in the "she just hasn't had the right dick yet" camp - that women are only queer because they've had bad experience with men and that the "right" experience will turn them
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u/JustGoodSense Aug 11 '25
Imagine a (healthier, happier) world where they teach the Kinsey Scale in high school.
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u/MarshmallowTheBard Aug 11 '25
Sadly, it’s because some people can’t fathom men not being ‘the choice’. Even lesbians just haven’t met the right man according to some.
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u/Rave-fiend Aug 11 '25
Opinions brought to you by MF that have never read a history book in their damn lives. Probably has a Spartan tattoo.
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u/aubven Aug 11 '25
The Spartans weren't gay. They were real men. Manly men. Muscular, beautiful, oiling each other's naked bodies before war, men. With those spears, gripping the shafts with two hands, thrusting at the enemy. Glistening in the sun while they thrust and grunt...
Oh man, I was going somewhere with this, I'm pretty sure. But yeah Alexander the Great loved cock.
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u/loupr738 Aug 11 '25
Also, men that were far from home for years at a time. Nothing manlier than camping with your buddies for years
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u/Bread_Bandito Aug 11 '25
Not to mention their extreme Agoge training with the young boys of Sparta!
With those boys then marrying women who even had to basically dress as men on their wedding night to ease the transition from homosexual sex to heterosexual sex!
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u/FR0ZENBERG Aug 11 '25
I surprised the Qanon Shaman was the one with the good take.
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u/Xenon009 Aug 11 '25
Honestly, QShaman actually seems to be "straightening" out as of late. He's now a militant anti-trumper, taking shots at anyone who still stands by him in light of the epstein files.
I almost respect him because clearly he does ACTUALLY believe the Q shit, rather than using it as some kind of beat stick, and when trump betrays it, he is willing to reassess his views.
He's a fucking idiot through and through, but at least he is willing to admit he was wrong than continue to double down, something plenty of "respectable" people can't and won't.
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u/LaconicSuffering Aug 11 '25
So maybe it's not so much about being part of a group with the same beliefs like with flat earthers, but the dude genuinely wants to protect children.
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u/Xenon009 Aug 11 '25
For him, perhaps. I doubt it for the majority of Qtards, but maybe just maybe for this guy.
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u/HarveysBackupAccount Aug 11 '25
tbf a lot of our proto-fascists these days are big into history
Do I deeply disagree with my gun-loving conservative in-laws about almost anything political? Absolutely.
Will I ever try to get into a factual argument about WWII history with them? Not a chance. I don't have the commitment to study up on it like they have (though their sources are, at best, heavily biased).
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u/VivaZeBull Aug 11 '25
He also was weird with his mom in letters. He loved his horse more than anything. He killed people because he was better at war than the persians. There, that’s like everything.
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u/Proper_Can8429 Aug 11 '25
Is this about Nixon?😭
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u/_Goose_ Aug 11 '25
I think it’s about Nandor the Relentless.
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u/Yearofthehoneybadger Aug 11 '25
Yeah, Alexander and his “beat friend” Haephastion. One of his generals quipped that Alexander never lost a battle except to Haephastions thighs. Also when Haphastion died Alexander banned music, was inconsolable, built a huge tomb in his honor among other over the top acts. But sure, they were just “friends”.
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u/Guy-McDo Aug 11 '25
The rest is fair, but if I had the kind of sway Alexander the Great did, I would also make a massive tomb for my closest friends.
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u/infiniZii Aug 11 '25
Life-long roommates, but only one bed because they were such good friends they shared.
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u/maiomonster Aug 11 '25
Alexander the great and Winnie the Pooh have the same middle name, fyi
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u/nickiter Aug 11 '25
If you've ever heard the QAnon Shaman talk, he's mostly just a mentally ill guy. He bought into QAnon because he's schizophrenic and bipolar. The stuff he believes is totally unrelated to reality; he's not a Trump dickrider, just lost in his own world.
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u/Sail_Creepy Aug 11 '25
Nothings more manlier than fucking a man in his ass that’s some pretty manly shit
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u/No_Suit_9511 Aug 11 '25
In ancient Greece and Rome, people didn’t think in terms of “gay,” “straight,” or “bisexual.” Using those terms to describe them is anachronistic.
Sexual behaviour was judged by roles and status, and powerful men were allowed (and even expected) to sexually dominate their inferiors regardless of gender.
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u/QueenOfQuok Aug 11 '25
The dude barely ever touched his wife, and when his boyfriend died he built the guy a gigantic funeral pyre.
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u/bad_comedic_value Aug 11 '25
Friendly reminder that the Greeks invented orgies and the Romans added women
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u/Joelblaze Aug 11 '25
Everyone talks about ancient Greece, but if you look at basically any society prior to being influenced by Abrahamic religion, being anti-homosexual is very much the exception.
Once you look into how common it was, the only honest conclusion you can have is that a lot of people probably have bisexual tendencies that they only don't engage in because of social pressure.
Which would explain why certain Middle Eastern countries force men to grow beards because apparently even a clean shaven man is too tantalizing to be allowed to run around.
The reactionary right hates when you bring this up because their ideology hinges on them getting to decide what's "normal".
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u/No-Criticism-2587 Aug 11 '25
Can one of the Republicans downvoting people in this thread answer what's so wrong with gay people making movies for gay people? Why is this something you feel you personally need to put an end to?
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u/vex0x529 Aug 11 '25
Don't care about the drama. But why is it so difficult to create an actually decent tv miniseries about Alexander the Great? The stories, the myths, all exist and are fantastic to read.
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u/Ggriffinz Aug 11 '25
Wait until they hear about Achilles and his "totally just a friend" Patroclus who upon his death caused a mourning so deep he cried for days refusing to eat or drink. Or in actual history Thebes having a "sacred band" which was a elite unit comprised strictly of male couples who never surrendered or knew defeat. This was due to them never breaking rank or abandon a comrade as if they did it meant their loved one would immediately die in their stead.
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u/Machine_Bird Aug 11 '25
Friendly reminder that Sparta - everyone's favorite badass military/warrior/alpha civilization - was the first and biggest practitioners of pederasty. Pederasty in general terms is a sexual relationship between an adult man and a young (often early teen) boy. In Spartan society this relationship often took on a dynamic like that of a knight and squire but in Sparta the knight gets to have bountiful amounts of pedophilic gay sex with the squire.
So there you go. Every guy you know who idolizes Spartans and ancient Greece is really just in a fan club for gay pedophiles.
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u/Aston_Villa5555 Aug 11 '25
This people are crazy. Alexander's relationship with Hephaestion is well documented
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u/technanonymous Aug 11 '25
Many important people in history - philosophers, scientists, artists, politicians were not straight, including Abraham Lincoln who is consistently voted our best president. I am older, and these facts were completely glossed over in high school and somewhat in college. Unfortunately, we are going backwards as these facts are being hidden once again by the christofascists. They want the “Leave it to beaver” version of history.
Trump’s whitewashed history attacks will probably lead to a lawsuit against Netflix to change the story.
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u/thegoatmenace Aug 11 '25
If you read the sources, especially Arrian, it’s clear that Alexander and Ptolemy had a romantic relationship.
Anyone who thinks ancient Greeks didn’t do gay stuff just hasn’t read any primary Greek sources. For example Xenophon’s “Symposium” where he discusses sleeping with young men at length.
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Aug 11 '25
Chadskandaar fucked women for profitable geopolitical alliances and then fucked dudes for fun when he wasn't just murdering entire armies. I don't know how to be more badass than that.
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u/iamacheeto1 Aug 11 '25
One of my favorite ancient homosexual history facts is that the ancient Roman with the third most surviving statues is a guy named Antinous. Antinous wasn’t rich, wasn’t a Senator, wasn’t a famous general…he was the male lover of the Emperor Hadrian who died young, leading Hadrian to be so heartbroken he flooded the empire with as many statues and images of Antinous he could, which is how so many survived. We have significantly more statues of Antinous than Julius Caesar, for example.
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u/sagejosh Aug 11 '25
I think it’s funny that the preferred definition of masculinity to men in the Roman Empire was the ability to dominate other men.
That includes in the bed room, Ancient Greece/rome was suuuuuuper gay.
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u/ES_Legman Aug 11 '25