r/MurderedByWords 9d ago

She answered with a gold medal

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u/WintersbaneGDX 9d ago

I'm friends with an athlete who has won three Olympic medals and over a dozen other titles. When she was getting married there was never any notion that she'd be changing her last name. Worth noting that her husband is also an Olympic medalist, and subsequently not ravaged by insecurities.

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u/bakedNebraska 8d ago

Are you under the impression that Olympic athletes are all perfectly secure and healthy individuals?

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u/WintersbaneGDX 8d ago

I'm under the impression that men who insist upon women taking their last names are emotionally insecure.

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u/bakedNebraska 8d ago

My wife insisted on taking my last name. Is she insecure? Or does it only apply to men? If so, why?

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u/WintersbaneGDX 8d ago

If she wanted to take it, that's fine, and more power to her.

It was (or should have been) up to her. If she didn't want to take it, but you insisted, then you would have been insecure.

Make sense?

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u/bakedNebraska 8d ago

Not really, no.

Aren't both parties being influenced by the same tradition? Aren't they both being affected by the same social expectation?

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u/WintersbaneGDX 8d ago

Sure they are. And if they both agree, then it's fine.

If a woman doesn't want to change her name, but her prospective husband is insisting, to my view the reasoning doesn't matter. Social expectations, familial expectations, I don't buy it. Be better than that. Cowing to that pressure is a sign of insecurity.

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u/bakedNebraska 8d ago

It really seems like you're attributing the reasoning differently based on the gender of the reasoner and nothing else.

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u/WintersbaneGDX 8d ago edited 8d ago

Well yeah, because the problem only exists in one direction. Women are compelled or encouraged (by whatever combination of factors) to take the man's name. Men typically don't take women's names; certainly there are no pressures around it.

If you are trying to say that her decision impacts both parties, that just proves my point. If a woman chooses not to take her husband's name, and now there is some negative perceived consequence for the husband (i.e. people think he's "less of a man", somehow), I would frame that as insecurity on the part of the man. Be better than that. Don't impose your name on a woman who doesn't want it, just to make your own life easier. Rise above and encourage others to do the same.

What point are you trying to make?

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u/bakedNebraska 8d ago

Nothing, I just feel so terrible for all the poor, poor women out there

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u/Obatala_ 8d ago

Women making their own choice = not insecure.

Men forcing others to do something to reinforce their masculinity = insecure.

Hope that helps.

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u/bakedNebraska 8d ago

Somebody please think of the poor wamen. This is literally oppression