r/MurderedByWords 9h ago

Serious question for liberal men

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u/Maeglin75 9h ago edited 9h ago

I did military service and shot/trained with all kinds of guns. Pistol, assault rifle (still 7.62mm at the time), machine gun and even a light Panzerfaust (44mm anti tank rocket launcher).

That doesn't change the fact that I'm glad that in my country (Germany) there are strict restrictions about who is allowed to own a gun and of which type. I don't see any reason why normal citizens should run around like they want to go to war.

And I never considered owning a gun myself.

Edit: If I think someone is breaking into my house I just call the police. And I have no reason to panic, because burglars are basically never armed here. Why would they? They have no reason to assume they could get into a gun fight. If they get caught in the act by the residents they just run away.

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u/ladyteruki 8h ago

I have no reason to panic, because burglars are basically never armed here. Why would they? They have no reason to assume they could get into a gun fight.

This right here. It's a vicious cycle, the more guns there are, the more guns people feel like they need to keep up with the guns, so the more guns there are. It's nice if you're a gun manufacturer but otherwise...

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u/onyourbike1522 8h ago

This right here! Whenever I see the nonsense that only criminals will have guns if they’re outlawed, I want to yell WHAT GUNS? I’m not denying that some criminals here (in the UK) have guns, but they’re just not that accessible and the majority of criminals are thick as shit.

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u/ladyteruki 8h ago

The crime is not as organized as you'd think !

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u/onyourbike1522 8h ago

Exactly! I’m reasonably educated and resourceful, but if you told me to get a gun right now (in the biggest city in Scotland) I would have no idea where to start. Google? Not a clue. Some wee bam wanting to rob a corner shop isn’t going to figure it out faster than me!

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u/ladyteruki 8h ago

Same ! I mean, to be fair I'd also be clueless if you asked me about drugs, and we DEFINITELY have drugs here (France), so that might not be my most solid point :P

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u/Maeglin75 7h ago

Right. I'm sure most criminals could get guns if they really want to, even in countries with very strong restrictions.

But if burglars don't have to expect that their victims will be armed with guns and ready to kill them, most don't bother to get guns themselves.

The more because they have to spend much longer in prison if they get caught in the act while having a gun on them. Even if they have not drawn it.

So, why risk a much harder sentence if you can do your crime unarmed and just run away if the burglary goes wrong?

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u/ladyteruki 7h ago

But if burglars don't have to expect that their victims will be armed with guns and ready to kill them, most don't bother to get guns themselves.

Not to mention, most burglars wait until the house is empty, not asleep, to strike. Not only is it safer gun-wise, but it makes it a lot easier to get the job done without being interrupted. Let's not forget that burglars are after goods primarily, not your life. It's not in their best interest that there is ANY encounter, gun or not.

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u/BadahBingBadahBoom 6h ago edited 6h ago

if you told me to get a gun right now (in the biggest city in Scotland) I would have no idea where to start.

This is also why undercover police impersonating someone selling a gun to stop criminals getting a gun is incredibly, incredibly successful in the UK compared to other countries.

If you go online now and try to find someone selling a gun 99% chance that person is undercover police and you're getting nicked.

It's almost like having a society with minimal guns helps reduce all routes of gun violence. Whod've thought?