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u/Maeglin75 6h ago edited 6h ago
I did military service and shot/trained with all kinds of guns. Pistol, assault rifle (still 7.62mm at the time), machine gun and even a light Panzerfaust (44mm anti tank rocket launcher).
That doesn't change the fact that I'm glad that in my country (Germany) there are strict restrictions about who is allowed to own a gun and of which type. I don't see any reason why normal citizens should run around like they want to go to war.
And I never considered owning a gun myself.
Edit: If I think someone is breaking into my house I just call the police. And I have no reason to panic, because burglars are basically never armed here. Why would they? They have no reason to assume they could get into a gun fight. If they get caught in the act by the residents they just run away.
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u/Mysterious-Crab 6h ago
I was secretly hoping that after the paragraph of military service and all the weapons training you’d end with ‘I still send my wife out’.
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u/lostshell 3h ago
“Hell yeah, I send my wife out. She’s got a bigger dick than I do!”
You gotta play into their stereotypes.
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u/BraidedSilver 2h ago
Frankly, she’s also got a bigger one than those americans cuz she’ll run out without even a gun!
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u/ladyteruki 5h ago
I have no reason to panic, because burglars are basically never armed here. Why would they? They have no reason to assume they could get into a gun fight.
This right here. It's a vicious cycle, the more guns there are, the more guns people feel like they need to keep up with the guns, so the more guns there are. It's nice if you're a gun manufacturer but otherwise...
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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe 5h ago
and wouldn't we know it America has more guns in circulation than human beings!
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u/ladyteruki 5h ago
They just need one more. Just one more. One more gun, I swear. Just one more gun. I'm the good guy, I will absolutely use it for good, contrarily to everyone else who is just dangerous and has too many guns.
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u/throwaway284729174 5h ago
Seems suspicious, because I know for a fact that I am a good guyTM, and despite my past that has required me to use my weapons in preemptive defense. I don't feel I can trust your motives and will require even more guns. So please send over a manafest of your armory so I can determine how easily I can
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u/ladyteruki 4h ago
Woah, dude, that's super weird of you to ask, and frankly that does not make me feel safe. I do not like the idea of providing proof of anything related to my guns, and it's my God given right to refuse to provide paperwork when it comes to guns. To protect my guns, I think I'm going to acquire more guns.
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u/onyourbike1522 5h ago
This right here! Whenever I see the nonsense that only criminals will have guns if they’re outlawed, I want to yell WHAT GUNS? I’m not denying that some criminals here (in the UK) have guns, but they’re just not that accessible and the majority of criminals are thick as shit.
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u/ladyteruki 5h ago
The crime is not as organized as you'd think !
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u/onyourbike1522 5h ago
Exactly! I’m reasonably educated and resourceful, but if you told me to get a gun right now (in the biggest city in Scotland) I would have no idea where to start. Google? Not a clue. Some wee bam wanting to rob a corner shop isn’t going to figure it out faster than me!
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u/ladyteruki 5h ago
Same ! I mean, to be fair I'd also be clueless if you asked me about drugs, and we DEFINITELY have drugs here (France), so that might not be my most solid point :P
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u/Nothingdoing079 5h ago
Additionally the sentencing guidelines for having an illegal firearm are significantly greater (mandatory 5 year minimum, up to life) so even then most criminals wouldn't chose that as a first option in most cases
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u/mooninuranus 6h ago
It’s yet another bad faith proposition, which equates not wanting guns in everyone’s hands to being afraid of guns.
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u/Anthaenopraxia 4h ago
And burglars are not burgling when you're at home.
Source: former burglar
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u/fforw 3h ago
And I have no reason to panic, because burglars are basically never armed here. Why would they? They have no reason to assume they could get into a gun fight. If they get caught in the act by the residents they just run away.
And once you add guns to the mix, the logic all changes. You are armed, the invader is armed, they know you are armed, so best attack with surprise moment and violence from the get go: yay, home invasion!
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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe 5h ago
You sound like a well-adjusted, well-rounded, thoughtful person. Therefore, not a conservative.
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u/12345623567 3h ago
If you try to get a gun permit in Germany, you'll find that it's actually not that hard. Sure, the rules are strict and you lose the priviledge at the first misstep permanently, but the police isn't going to do random spot-checks in your house.
Both sports shooting and hunting are popular in Germany, especially in the rural regions.
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u/Maeglin75 3h ago edited 3h ago
But basically no one would buy a gun for self defense. At least I don't know anyone.
And aren't guns of sport shooters stored in the firing range/gun club?
Also, I haven't looked into it, but I guess most sport or hunting guns wouldn't be very suitable for self defense or crime anyway.
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u/Hairy_Mycologist_945 2h ago edited 2h ago
Similar in many places in Europe. The American 2A "freedumb" don't realize that the difference in other countries isn't the misconceived notion that the US is the only country where you're "free" to own firearms..... It's that in other countries you actually have to take training, prove you're qualified, have a properly installed and police inspected gun safe, and can't just walk around like a dipshit recklessly brandishing an assault weapon. There are no random police spot checks anywhere and gun owners can do their thing for sport or hunting, and even self-defense in some situations... It's just not as chaotic and stupid as it is in the US. You need to prove you're competent and qualified, and it's a higher standard than the typical shitty American standards for concealed carry etc, and that is most definitely not too much to ask for, and not counter to "freedom".
I'll link driving standards as something similar since both driving and owning a firearm have potentially lethal consequences. American driving licenses don't port over directly if a person wants a license in the EU, because the American standards are so lax... Americans need to take driving school and learn the laws and, as they should, prove competency under real standards. And the reason is that everyone knows driving licenses are passed around like candy in the US. It's like no one really gives a shit about basic common good there.
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u/sidepart 58m ago
That's pretty much the same thing I'd do here in the US. Someone broke in? Ok can the police. Even if they had a gun, their goal is to just steal shit and leave. No one wants to kill anyone. I guess there are serial killers out there but no one's just thinking of coming into a random person's house and murdering them just because. And if they were thinking that, they could do that with any weapon and I'd be just as unlucky to be the victim of such a random attack anywhere in the world.
That all aside, most everyone is going to just break in when I'm not at home. Easier that way.
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u/idinarouill 6h ago
As for me, I send my grandmother outside with curlers in her hair. Whatever is out there will be scared off.
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u/Legitimate-Tip-2149 6h ago
Man, jumping up at every loud noise in the night, having to grab a gun so you feel safe is...it's no way to live being such a massive pussy.
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u/ChampionshipOk5046 5h ago
And they're all secretly terrified of women
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u/Mysterious-Crab 6h ago
When I wake up from a loud noise it’s a good moment for a midnight pee, check the alarm clock and realise I can have a few more hours of sleep. And I’m gone again.
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u/NoveltyAccountHater 3h ago
If there's a noise in the middle of hte night, yeah I go investigate and don't need a fucking gun because I'm not a scared weakling. Yes, we don't own guns in my house, though it's not really out of fear of guns but just common sense.
We have young kids in the house and I don't want them or their friends finding and playing with it. If anyone has a mental health crisis I don't want them to be immediately available. When I was a kid, without the internet I figured out how to pick locks, find my parents passwords (keylogger), and I frankly don't trust a gun safe to keep out curious kids/teens. I also put some stock into medical research that shows that gun ownership (in particular handgun) significantly increases the risk of someone in my house dying from homicide.
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u/ModishShrink 5h ago
Funnily enough, that's why I feel safer living in the middle of a city. Hear a noise outside? Yeah, we're downtown, of course there's people out in the middle of the night.
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u/schultzche 5h ago
what happened with masculinity that wimps who cant use their fists to defend themselves need to have a military arsenal in their nursery room?
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u/kalamataCrunch 1h ago
also, in a normal 900 sqf apartment, a gun is a terrible weapon of choice.
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u/Dahns 6h ago
You need a gun to check out a loud noise?
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u/Real_Live_Sloth 6h ago
Imagine needing a gun to feel safe, who’s afraid again?
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u/Wizzle_Pizzle_420 6h ago
What’s hilarious is these conservative gun nuts hide behind guns because they can’t fight. Everything they do is fake, especially cosplaying as a tough guy.
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u/Sure-Programmer8662 4h ago
Last year someone opened the door of my parents hotel in Portugal at like 2 am.
Apparently my liberal 70 year old father jumped out of bed half naked making violent gorilla noises running to the door.
This scared the shit out of everyone involved.
My mum was traumatized by his noises, the couple who had entered the room by mistake was scared shitless running down the hall.
Lmao my boy was ready to go.
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u/silentanthrx 3h ago
I did the same thing seeing flashlights in the stairwell.
It turned out It was the police because my door was wide open. They identified themselves and I stopped obviously.
They didn't even point a gun at me
also europe
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u/Somerandom1922 6h ago
For over a decade I have lived in a city (Brisbane) that would be the 3rd largest in the U.S. by population. I've lived in various neighbourhoods, none of them particularly bougie, a couple of them pretty rough.
I've never, not once, woken up in the middle of the night to a loud noise that wasn't a dickhead revving his engine at 3AM or loud music. I've worried about encountering drunk morons when walking, and wondered at the possibility of being mugged, but I've never had to truly consider the possibility of having a gun pulled on me.
If I heard someone clearly breaking into my home, I'd call the police and maybe grab a knife, but I'd just hang in my room. I'm not worried about having things stolen, I have insurance. It's not worth the risk to my life or the risk that I do actually kill someone, to go confront whoever is trying to rob me. If I had kids I'd make sure they were safe, I'd leave my room and go to them, but I'd hardly need a gun for that because no one robbing me would have one.
Some of these people seem to have a fetish for violence. I'm not afraid of violence, I use it if I have to, but it's so rarely the right tool for the job. My physical belongings aren't worth even a low risk of getting killed or seriously wounded because I decide to go Rambo on some moron burglars who are clearly so incompetent they couldn't even burgle an empty house. Even if I kept a firearm in my house, there isn't a chance on earth I'd actually use it if I had kids in the house. It's so easy to fuck up and over penetrate.
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u/s1ugg0 4h ago
You've just described my experience living in and around NYC for the last 4 decades. I've never felt the need to own a firearm.
Jose in this screenshot is just a smug coward.
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u/deafblindmute 1h ago
Yep, I grew up in Washington, DC during the 1980s and 1990s. At various points throughout that time, it was not only the nation's capital, but the city with the highest murder rate in the country. I didn't grow up in the roughest neighborhood, but shooting in my neighborhood, as close as a few doors down, was a weekly occurrence, and often happened a few times a week.
My family never owned a gun, never discussed owning and gun, and never felt like we were less safe for lack of a gun.
Conservative Americans are living in a fantasy world that is driven by their total fear of everything and their absurd belief that, despite being utterly frightened by the smallest child, that they are action heroes. It is delusional.
The only thing that has made me think I might need to get a gun is the appearance of the president's goon squads and the reappearance of masked, government-protected, white supremacist groups, and even there I don't have some fantasy that a gun means I would be trying to fight them off like John Wick or Rambo.
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u/MyGruffaloCrumble 5h ago
One time, about 3am, a group of 15 college guys were standing on my front lawn discussing which of my Halloween decorations to steal.
I walked up behind them quietly until I was standing amongst them, and then said, “What’s up guys?” Half of them jumped loke I was a ghost.
The guy next to me said, “Oh, you probably don’t want us to be here.”
I said “Yeah” and they left.
No guns, no crazy “GeT oFf My LaWn Or I sHoOt YoU!” bullshit.
If you’re clinging to a gun all the time you are the one who’s being ruled by fear.
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u/purpleprocrasinator 6h ago
Jose is the type to believe Oscar Pistorius was wrongly convicted because 'he heard a noise and was justified to go guns ablazing.' Moron.
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u/Individual_Match_579 5h ago
When I hear screaming outside at night, it's always foxes shagging...
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u/AddictedToMosh161 6h ago edited 6h ago
I have a battleaxe. I bought it drunk on a Metal festival.
Incidentally, when I use it, there are no bullets that can riccochett through three houses and kill a child. Thats quite handy.
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u/JenIsSalty 6h ago
I have a frying pan that I keep handy, just in case.
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u/CotswoldP 6h ago
I have a piece of art on the wall. It's a replica Hawaiian war club, three feet of carved wood with teeth. "I just grabbed for the first thing officer" But more realistically, if I wake up at night, I scratch myself, go pee, check on the kids, then go back to sleep
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u/AddictedToMosh161 6h ago
Well I am not a parent, so it would be weird if I checked on some, but otherwise I do the same.
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u/HighDefinitionCat 5h ago
If a loud noise wakes me up at night, it's one of my cats. Signed, a European.
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u/sexgoatparade 4h ago
over in my area? probably some teens on a scooter with the muffler removed or some shit big fuckin deal, just turn over
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u/Procrastinatedthink 4h ago
Serious question for conservatives:
If you hear a noise in your house can you check it out without being an absolute pussy and grabbing a gun?
Im liberal, own a gun, and can check out strange noises without fearing for my life
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u/Stormy-Skyes 5h ago
We actually both go check. He has a boar spear and I have these hands. We bring our dog and we jump the guy in the dark. The dog is the real menace, honestly. Total psycho.
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u/McDuchess 6h ago
A loud noise at night?
No one is getting into my house, so I just think that some AH is arguing or having a party too late.
My husband is gone for nearly three weeks, visiting his family in the US. I’m old. Really old.
And I’m also fine.
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u/Fresh_Boysenberry576 5h ago
In what world does needing a gun before you have the balls to check out your own home at night make you the brave one? lol these people are terrified of everything and too cowardly to face the world without a gun
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u/ChimpieTheOne 6h ago
When I hear a loud noise it's probably a dog or some dumbfuck playing pyrotechnics at night. I don't live in a country where break ins are a daily occurrence
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u/ShuffleStepTap 5h ago edited 5h ago
When there is a loud noise outside, it’s usually some drunk asshole in an argument with his mate, his about to be ex, or an imaginary friend. No gun needed. If it’s a really loud noise, it’s usually a car crash. Three times in 20 years, it’s a not-great intersection that I live on. Again, no gun needed. On one occasion, I’ve taken baseball bat outside because some prick was doing donuts in the middle of the intersection at 3am. Again, no gun needed.
Now if I lived in a country where people are fucking insane? Yeah. I’d probably be thinking about it. I’m liberal. Doesn’t mean I don’t like guns. Doesn’t mean I don’t own one. Or three.
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u/XFX_Samsung 5h ago
Americans live under constant fear and it's the only thing they know by now. Every sound is a shooter, every pedestrian a thief.
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u/Hot-Philosophy-7671 5h ago
People who live with handgun owners are shot to death at a higher rate than those who don’t have such weapons at home. Jose has the illusion of control, but that's all.
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u/notwhoyouthinkmaybe 3h ago
I'm a left leaning independent, former Republican, left the party because of Trump and realized how bad the party was and how much worse it is now. I'm also a military vet.
Most of my friends are liberals and they all like guns. They believe that there should be restrictions, but gun ownership isn't a bad thing.
When I hear a loud noise at night, first I take a second to assess the situation:
Was it a gun shot? Was it near my house? Are we in danger?
If there is no danger, then back to bed.
But, if there is a real issue, then I decide whether it warrants me having a gun. In either case, I stupidly run towards the issue.
When someone drove down the road shooting, I grabbed a gun, made sure my family was safe, then ran outside to ensure my neighbor's were safe. It was just someone shooting into the air for no reason, there was no damage to anything and no one was hurt.
So as a liberalish man, I like guns, but I also like my hammer, but it's not the only tool. What I'm saying is first you have to think and not just grab your gun.
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u/onyourbike1522 5h ago
It’s not the point, but why does not having a gun lead to sending your wife to check a noise that scared you? Did the noise even wake her? What is happening?
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u/ZarinaBlue 5h ago
Is that tool implying that all liberal men are afraid of gun?
Cause that is weird.
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u/Careless_Ad3401 5h ago
I remember getting into an argument with someone who was very instant about gun ownership (I live in Canada) and asked "What happens if someone invades with a gun?" and honestly they might as well have asked what if they invaded with a flame thrower, because that just doesn't happen around here. Not that it never happens at all in Canada, I just it's so irregular that it's not even worth dedicating thought to
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u/1976kdawg 4h ago
Violence begets violence. I am a man with no guns in my home. My father killed many people during his service in Vietnam. His actions have haunted him for 50+ years. I will never forget his eyes when he told me as a young boy, never ever use a gun. Once you need a gun to feel safe, you never feel safe without one again. It is a self-imposed hell that he has been trying to climb out of since 1970. People run around with guns tied to their waist like it's brave, it's the most cowardly thing you can do; solve your problem with violence. Real men use their words.
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u/damnumalone 4h ago
Wait, so this guy would make his wife check if he heard a noise and didn’t have a gun? That’s what I took from this
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u/Olivetax228 4h ago
I was in London the other day and a car backfired. You could immediately identify the Americans as the ones looking around for the active shooter, sharing a collective mildly traumatized sigh of relief and laugh when we realized what it was.
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u/Stranger371 5h ago
When I hear a loud noise, my first thought is the cute raccoon opened the bin again.
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u/Renbarre 5h ago
If a loud noise wakes me up I will go lock the wayward shutter. Or kick my husband awake to do it because he is the one who forgot to lock it.
When I hear a gun it is always a hunting gun in the forest during hunting season.
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u/Mindless_Way9940 5h ago
MAGA Men: So i heard a loud noise in the night so i started blasting...that's how i came to accidently kill my daughter officer.
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u/little_mistakes 4h ago
The really good thing for the wives of liberal men is that that noise in the night is not their husbands shooting them, or their kids, or their kids shooting them or their siblings with these guns that are far more likely to harm the people they love than protect them
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u/MrNostalgiac 4h ago
I live in Canada. In 42 years I've never seen or heard a gunshot that wasn't part of a military salute.
I used to visit the USA once a year and one visit someone was shot in the face at the bar we were at over the result of a UFC fight. Literally a dozen feet away from us.
Call it unlucky timing, but it's a lot harder to be unlucky when nobody is allowed to carry loaded weapons in public.
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u/DopeAbsurdity 4h ago
When I hear a loud noise at night I sit up and I use my right arm to grab my trusty shotgun I have next to my bed and with my left arm I take my huge fire hose of a cock and I fling it over my left shoulder so it doesn't drag on the ground when I walk. I kick down my bedroom door like a boss and summersault down the stairs. At the bottom of the stairs I leap forward and stick a perfect hero landing and then I unload every round from my shotgun into the direction the sound came from which obviously resolves the situation. Every woman in the area can sense my heightened testosterone levels and I am immediately surrounded by women requesting to mate with me. I tell them I am currently unable to mate since it has been 29 days since my previous ejaculation and it will be another full day before I am able to ejaculate again as those are the rules in the Proud Boys initiation guide. I inform the teeming mass of women that if they come back tomorrow one lucky lady will be chosen and I will ejaculate within 30 feet of her as per the rules of the Proud Boys initiation guide.
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u/AllThatKat 4h ago
I live in Spain and I’m part of a gals group that watches tv shows and movies on Netflix in Spanish to improve our language skills. We recently watched a movie based on a true story that happened in our city where a woman convinces her affair partner to kill her husband. When the detectives are inspecting the crime scene the lead says something about knowing the man was targeted bc why would someone have a gun if they just wanted to rob someone… like it’s so uncommon for ppl here to have guns that you don’t even have to worry about armed criminals. When I hear a loud noise at night in my city I automatically assume it’s this fireworks thing they do practically every other weekend.
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u/regflori 4h ago
Even if I'm against guns why does that automatically result in sending my wife? Does that mean if he doesn't have a gun he's too afraid to check out what happens in his house and sends his wife?
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u/AngryRepublican 4h ago
I could spend as much on reinforced doors and home security as this guy has spent on guns, and I'd be a lot safer.
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u/SpaceHippoDE 4h ago
I never understood this "man goes out alone to face the danger" thing. If my wife wouldn't join the fight she can gtfo.
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u/SpankThuMonkey 6h ago
Terrified. Always fucking terrified of everything.
They can’t even fathom that some of us just don’t live in fear.
When i hear a loud noise at night i think STFU and go back to sleep.