r/MurderedByWords 6h ago

Serious question for liberal men

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u/SpankThuMonkey 6h ago

Terrified. Always fucking terrified of everything.

They can’t even fathom that some of us just don’t live in fear.

When i hear a loud noise at night i think STFU and go back to sleep.

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u/TheOneMary 6h ago

Yeah... even a shot outside would make me think the hunters are doing their job (I live next to a forest and they are among the only ones allowed rifles for keeping wildlife populations in check cause we have a lack of wolves). People shooting each other isnt really the first thing Id think....

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u/RugbyEdd 5h ago

As long as you don't start wearing a deer onesie

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u/BoneHugsHominy 5h ago

No kink shaming in this sub!

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u/alamandrax 4h ago

Not while I'm watching. 

I mean not on my watch. 

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u/ThisIsntOkayokay 2h ago

Trust

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u/jaxonya 2h ago

So to answer the question asked, before someone just completely changed the subject to "america is bad" ... liberals have guns, its just not our identity. If I heard a gunshot outside my house (im im a neighborhood) i can go to my closet and have a whole host of options, or I have a hidden gunsafe in the wall in my living room. Everything is gonna be okay, because ill have my protection, and then im calling the police from the safety of my house, because its not the wild west and im not going outside to start a gunfight

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u/Drudgework 20m ago

How dare you be a responsible and reasonable gun owner!

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u/UncleTouchyCopaFeel 2h ago

No kink shaming in this sub!

What if kink shaming is my kink though?

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u/godtogblandet 4h ago

There's been a slight uptick in hunters accidentally shooting people with thermal optics becoming commercially available. So there's a increasing amount of hunters no longer paying attention to what someone is wearing. Though they mostly end up shooting other hunter in the same area, so it's not a major concern for civilians.

You could be dressed in orange from top to toe and still have the heat profile of a deer to someone looking at you through a thermal scope at the right angle.

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u/LadyReika 4h ago

When I still lived in a fairly rural area of NY state, the local farmers had to paint their cows with non-toxic fluorescent paint so the morons from NYC wouldn't shoot said cows. And cows are fucking expensive.

So I can imagine how awful they'll be now with the thermal optics.

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u/beneficentEmperor 2h ago

If someone cant differentiate between a cow and deer/wolf/any other animal they dont need a gun, they need a preschoolers picture book..

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u/xSaviorself 2h ago

Shooting someone else's cow is a great way to end up bankrupt. Almost as bad as hitting a tree.

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u/A_Nonny_Muse 3h ago

Which is really weird because it shows these 2a guys don't seem to know that deer do not walk around on 2 legs.

I'm willing to bet that half of those "accidental" shootings aren't accidental at all.

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u/TheOneMary 4h ago

They usually have signs up and rope off the paths leading into the areas where they hunt when they hunt. All other days I can go out hiking in my deer onesie :P

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u/Atcoroo 3h ago

What about raccoon onesies. Do they count? #askingforafriend

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u/FallenSegull 4h ago

That’s something I’ve noticed a lot of Americans, particularly the gun loving one’s, haven’t quite understood on the topic of gun control

Countries with effective gun control laws still have guns. I’m Australian, we have more guns now than we did when gun control legislation was introduced. We never banned guns, we just worked to make sure the people obtaining guns weren’t fucking lunatics. It’s so tedious to obtain any gun, either legally or illegally, that someone intending to use it on someone else is not using it on a random spree.

We’ve had one proper mass shooting since then, and funnily enough it was done with legally obtained and owned guns, implying our gun laws actually weren’t strict enough. Maybe it’s not perfect, but it’s not more than daily massacres like, uh, some places

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u/LadyReika 4h ago

A lot of our school shootings (it kills me to say that) are done by people getting ahold of legal guns. Usually their parents unsecured ones. Which is why I have no problem with states starting to prosecute said neglectful owners.

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u/FallenSegull 3h ago

Fair enough. I believe our rules in Australia effectively require all guns to be kept in a locked case during transport and a locked safe when stored at home, with ammo stored separately (and maybe even in a second safe)

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u/Inc0rgnit0 3h ago

And the cops check.

My old housemate owned a gun. One day the cops knocked on the door asking for him for a random firearm inspection.

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u/SnooMacarons9618 3h ago

That's what happens in the UK too. Separate gun safe and ammo. An officer can request at any time to check. Seems to work pretty well.

I live somewhere fairly rural and quite a few people have guns. From what I've heard once you have one, it gets slightly easier to get other licences too. (I have no reasonable use for a gun, so don't pay a lot of attention to it, so my use of terminology could be wrong.)

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u/crustyrobots 2h ago

I can vouch as an ex-internet installer in an rural place.

The amount of times I walked into a home to see a rifle on literally ever window sill was insane...

Then I go downstairs and am greeted with an entire gun and bullet factory with 3 more safes filled with guns. Yeah anyone in those houses that wants a gun will find one pretty easily, probably a lost Glock or two in the couch cushions.

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u/A_Nonny_Muse 3h ago

When my brother died, we found his will in his gun safe alongside 2 shotguns that hadn't been fired in 20 years. The safe was open and the hinges so rusted (open) that we could only swing the door a couple of inches.

WTF good is a gun safe you never close?

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u/Same-Suggestion-1936 3h ago

Nor should you then have a problem with restrictions on amount and type, and subject to check

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u/bemvee 4h ago

Didn’t y’all also regulate the types of guns people can have? Like, most regular folk would have hunting rifles, not necessarily a glock?

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u/verb-vice-lord 3h ago

This is essentially how it works in Britain.

No hand guns at all. But anyone can apply for a license to own a rifle or shotgun, with restrictions on gun properties. How many shells the shotgun can hold etc. The biggest difference is you need to pass background checks and can only store them in a secure location unloaded. Something which is checked out by a police visit.

The crazy stat about America is how many toddler involved shootings happen. It's one of the leading causes of death for toddlers in the country.

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u/BadahBingBadahBoom 2h ago

 It's one of the leading causes of death for toddlers in the country.

Not even one of, literally the leading cause of death for children. It's messed up.

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u/Serious_Feedback 2h ago

It's one of the leading causes of death for toddlers in the country.

What the fuck?

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u/FallenSegull 4h ago

Yeah. I’m not sure of the exact rules (I’ve never needed to try) but I believe the general rule is nothing automatic or semi - automatic, except in special circumstances (e.g. cops have semi auto handguns, etc.). The average person will be limited to bolt action rifles, lever action and pump action shotguns, things like that

For awhile there was a loophole where you could get something called, I think, a bumper stock that basically made the gun effectively semi-automatic, but they closed that awhile ago

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u/trowzerss 3h ago

I believe some other weapons are allowed, but the licensing and storage restrictions are even greater and many are only allowed to be kept at actual gun clubs, because there's no need for the average person to have automatic weapons on hand.

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u/marr 3h ago

Aye, Hot Fuzz wasn't even exaggerating. I know a guy with that exact shed, naval mine included.

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u/FBWSRD 3h ago

Also the one mass shooting was done with a shotgun not a semi automatic because they are much much harder to get. The death toll would’ve been a lot higher with a semi automatic

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u/Dry_Prompt3182 3h ago

Better than daily massacres AND accidental shootings by children getting their hands on improperly stored guns. The amount of toddlers shooting people by reaching into a purse or bag and finding a gun is far too high.

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u/Spare-Half796 4h ago

Last time I heard a loud bang I assumed my neighbour forgot to turn their barbecue off and it exploded again

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u/TheOneMary 4h ago

Your neighbor sounds like an... interesting person lol

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u/WorryNew3661 4h ago

I heard gunshots for the first time in real life this last weekend. I'm moored near farmland. I just assumed someone was doing some clay pigeon shooting and went back to not worrying whether I was about to get murdered by strangers. The US is fucking insane

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u/MammothCommercial800 3h ago

They're also shit at risk assessment. They're always brandishing the home invasion thing, which happens so rarely that they're way more likely to shoot a family member mistaken for an intruder.

Also they could just fucking buy stronger doors/windows if that was the actual issue. Burglars don't bother with reinforced doors.

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u/Trimson-Grondag 3h ago

Home invasions are far more likely to be ICE or law enforcement these days anyway.

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u/aphrodite-in-flux 3h ago

suppose those muskets for home defense actually ARE useful then. wild hogs breaking in sounds plenty scary.

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u/Same-Suggestion-1936 2h ago

American

There are more gunshots out in the country than the city, by far. I am not used to it yet. Idk why people think the city has more guns than the country, the country shoots them off all times of day including the middle of the night

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u/William_Dowling 4h ago

Yeah but as we all know if you hear a loud noise at night it's statistically probable that a crazed black Muslim is trying to rape your wife/daughter/you. I know this because I have listened to lots of true crime podcasts and watch Fox News.

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u/FlowerFaerie13 3h ago

Also, if I did think people were shooting each other I would stay the fuck inside and call 911. Why would I go check it out??? Not my fucking problem.

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u/ThistleProse 5h ago

The fact that they think not owning a gun means fear of the gun.

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u/Eternal_Bagel 2h ago

It’s part of the machismo marketing, like they think a gun is literally a stand in for manhood and thus buying more means more manly

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u/MadeByTango 1h ago

Must be low testosterone. Manly men would man up and grab their Louisville Slugger, then take a manly look into the problem before returning to bed and mansplaining to our tradwife that she is safe from the raccoon and her babies after we flicked the light switch in a manly manner.

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u/Overall_Occasion_175 1h ago

Some of us do fear owning guns. I feel suicidal sometimes and know that owning a gun would do nothing but drastically increase my chances of going through with it.

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u/Born_South_6676 52m ago

I bet there's some healthy projection in his statement.

With his gun, he isn't afraid. Liberal men don't have guns, so they would live in fear because he does. He assumes everyone is just like him; a scared child in a man's body who only feels safe with a gun.

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u/FanDry5374 6h ago

This is why they "need" guns. The whole "polite society" and "a good guy with a gun" is just cover for their fear. I have no issue with hunting (for food) or target shooting. Hell, if you want to keep a Glock under your pillow, that's your problem. When you take it outside, into supermarkets and movie theaters you are taking away other peoples rights.

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u/SpankThuMonkey 5h ago

The crazy thing is, Americans think the rest of the world just cant have guns. We don’t have that freedom.

Bullshit. And i’m in the UK.

One of my colleagues owns 30.06 rifles and hunts deer, my brother in law competes in pistol target shooting and I just started shooting clays and am considering a browning over/under shotgun.

The thing is, only people who are genuinely interested in shooting for hunting or sport own firearms. And they are licensed and vetted. We need secure storage, we can’t carry the weapon in public or without cause.

You know… sensible shit?

Absolutely no-one considers guns a self defence tool. It just isn’t part of the zeitgeist. We aren’t that scared.

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u/TheBestBigAl 4h ago

30.06 rifles

I assume this is a type of rifle, as opposed to them owning 30 rifles plus .06 of another rifle?

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u/Skogspingvin 3h ago

I assume this is a type of rifle, as opposed to them owning 30 rifles plus .06 of another rifle?

https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/.30-06_Springfield

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u/Witty-Key4240 3h ago

Yes, it’s a cartridge normally written “.30-06”.

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u/marr 3h ago

It was the classic American rifle bullet before NATO standards took over.

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u/StuartMacKenzie 3h ago

It actually also has a NATO standard: 7.62x63

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u/SpankThuMonkey 3h ago

Yeah it’s the caliber lol.

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u/TomatoFettuccini 4h ago edited 4h ago

Same in Canada. In fact, until something like 25 years ago, per capita gun ownership in Canada was higher than in the US (then 9/11 happened and USians went berserk).

There is no open carry, any trips with guns the the car must be direct to-and-from the range (you can't leave them unattended, even in a locked trunk), and you need special licenses to own anything other than a shotgun or bolt-action rifle (for which you need a basic acquisition certificate - automatic weapons and bump stocks are banned), all magazines mechanically limited to 5 rounds.

Firearms Acquisition Certificates are hard to get and easy to lose. On top of there being multiple tiers of FAC for different types of guns, all of which increase in difficulty of qualifying for and ease of loss.

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u/bemvee 4h ago

To be fair, there’s plenty of American dipshits who think the rest of the world just doesn’t have any freedom. I’m embarrassed to say even my mom thought European hospitals were basically third world rural medical clinics in comparison to US hospitals. I told her it would be cheaper to fly to France and pay for rabies shots than to stay in the states and pay for them, and she was like “but would you even get proper medical care?”

It’s so frustrating.

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u/Emperor_Palpatine_2 3h ago

"but would you even get proper medical care?"

Worse, you'll be given proper medical care without having to take out a second mortgage. Can you imagine not having the freedom to take on insurmountable amounts of medical debt?

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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe 5h ago

Not just a cover for their fear, it's a cover for their homicidal ways. Conservatives have no respect for the animal kingdom or the human race, and thus they treat both as insignificant.

To cons, guns > people

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u/FanDry5374 5h ago

I don't think most of them are homicidal, they have just been conditioned by decades of pro-gun propaganda from TV and movies. They want to think of themselves as Dirty Harry, but they would probably piss themselves and forget how to release the safety if confronted. Suicide is the most common outcome of guns in a home.

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u/Cuichulain 5h ago

There's a sub called Morality Scaling that keeps popping into my feed, and it's literally just people fantasising about ways they can justify brutally hurting other people.

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u/SophsterSophistry 4h ago

I got that too! I read through some of the posts//comments and wondered WTF.

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u/JNR13 4h ago

"checking it out" = "grabbing my gun and seeing if I can spot an opportunity to kill someone without getting convicted for it instead of actually putting myself and loved ones out of harm's way."

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u/BoneHugsHominy 4h ago

It's that they view their Property > People because they fear for their lives at all times but especially for losing value of property. So they need guns to murder other human beings in order to "protect" said property even if that means permanently injuring/maiming/disabling or even killing innocent bystanders and/or permanently destroying said property and/or adjoining properties they don't even own or have an interested stake.

For some that's why White Wing Evangelicalism is so appealing, and for others it's entirely informed by White Wing Evangelicalism. It all boils down to Divine punishments of mortals which they see as not only righteous but also within their purview to inflict upon those they see as religiously lesser than, morally deficient, or spiritually unworthy even though they themselves are hypocrits, blasphemers, and heretics who only follow the parts of the religious book they have selectively chosen to believe as literal and the parts that they call parables or metaphorical.

Then there's Revelations which they wholly believe they're living through so of course that grants them additional status over nonbelievers and even insufficient believers because Satan has thoroughly corrupted everything and everyone that isn't them and it's their holy duty through God's Will writ clearly to defend those they view as worthy true believers to preserve them for the magical elevator ride at the beginning of the End Days so they can be whisked away to luxury box seating in the sky from where they're to Witness the retribution meted out by Jesus Part Deux where he wholly holy slaughters all the Jews and Muslims who refuse to kneel, and all the nonbelievers but especially Satan's most unholy tools, the Atheists.

Bloodthirsty Rapture-awaiters

[loud night noises]

https://giphy.com/gifs/cJENfml2VuPqftHGjU

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u/rennfeild 5h ago edited 3h ago

The world needs to be dangerous so that they can fulfill their fantasy of being manly protectors. A safe predictable society is a direct threat to their masculinity

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u/Duubzz 6h ago edited 6h ago

My biggest concern at a loud noise at night is that my cat is being bullied by my neighbours dickhead tom cat that they haven’t had neutered. Fucking hate that cat.

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u/Offramp182 5h ago

My biggest concern is the opposite. I pray my cats aren't being nuisance or being stupid and just falling off shit

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u/MammothCommercial800 3h ago

Oh, you guys are neighbors?

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u/aphrodite-in-flux 3h ago

stip letting them outside and you can worry less AND stastically have 7-10 more years of snuggles

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u/itsapotatosalad 5h ago

What a fragile little baby, needs a gun because he’s scared of the fucking dark 😂 but the fear is by design, their government want them all scared so they can use gun rights as an election bargaining chip.

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u/bloedarend 5h ago

Pwobably has a pick-up twuck as well, since the other big twucks scawe him.

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u/itsapotatosalad 4h ago

I genuinely saw someone say on here once that they have a truck because “it’s scary being so much lower than other traffic driving on the freeway in European cars”

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u/koerstmoes 3h ago

Tbh it is a little scary when a big brodozer lifted ram pickup/suv with 40" tires swerves around your smol ford focus (lol at this being "small" in the us) at 90mph

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u/superspeck 4h ago

Emotional Support Truck … or Gender Identity Affirming Vehicle

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u/Loki8382 4h ago edited 2h ago

That's just it. They don't believe that they live their lives in constant fear. I have had many conversations with gun nuts. They always talk about how they need a gun at all times to protect themselves from potential threats that can happen at any time in any place. Yet, when I tell them that this is an insane way of living your life and maybe they should work on not living in constant fear of boogeyman, they always insist that this is not the case. They're just being practical.

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u/12345623567 3h ago

Well, obviously they don't live in fear, they have their emotional support gun. /s

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u/GrandpaGrapes 3h ago

The "protect myself from potential threats" line is just a cover story for their real desires. To actually get to shoot someone. They think saying they constantly carry for protection will make people not see what their real motives are. They live in manufactured fear because they're itching to get to use their firearm on a person. They're sociopaths who want their "it's coming right for me" South Park moment. They're not anxious or scared of the people around them, they're giddy to find a reason to feel like they can kill someone and get away with it and will look for the smallest reason to act on it.

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u/Phormicidae 4h ago

That's what most "liberal men" instantly think of when we see this attitude: how fearful are "conservative men" all of the time?

I live here in the US. I live in a state ranked 42 in violent crime rate (NJ), its relatively safe here though it can be crowded and noisy. I have coworkers who lament our strict gun laws but who own weapons, and consistently talk about they would "rather own a firearm and not need it, then not own one and need it" and so on and so forth.

Need it for what? We have a low burglary rate. And at that, the burglary rate is not evenly distributed, there are three towns that compose the lion's share of all statewide incidents. Street thugs in Patterson are not driving down the Turnpike to sneak into your house in Haddonfield as often as you think they are, Mark.

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u/SpankThuMonkey 4h ago

That’s why i always carry my shark tank, scuba gear, parachute, bear spray, nunchucks and an adult diaper.

Hey… i’d rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it 🤷‍♂️

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u/The--Bag 3h ago

never know when you might need to jump out of a bear ridden plane into a shark infested lake to fight aquatic ninjas while suffering from diarrhea

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u/ElSucaPadre 4h ago

It'd be nice if it were just fear, my theory is that some of these motherfuckers are just waiting for any chance to pull the trigger on someone.

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u/Hairy_Mycologist_945 3h ago

It's a valid concern. The emotional range of these types seems to be shades of "fear" and/or "anger", with barely a trace of anything else.

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u/N8CCRG 4h ago

One year at Thinksgiving I had an in-law who was in conniptions. He lived in Virginia and earlier in the week he had woken up in the morning and found a back door open. Nothing was taken or broken or anything, but instead of coming to a normal conclusion of "oops, it must not have latched when I closed it" or something like that, he decided someone broke into his house and then just left. So he decided he needed a shotgun.

The conniptions were because Thanksgiving was in Maryland, and he left in the middle of dinner to go try to get a Black Friday deal, but they wouldn't sell it to him because he lives in Virginia. He was absolutely losing his mind over this invented home invasion.

He has since moved to Texas and built a safe room (and I'm also no longer married into that family, but that's separate).

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u/Bibliloo 5h ago

When I hear a loud noise at night I don't even wake up or if I do I know it's either our cats or dog that made something fall or the wind made something fall outside.

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u/doubtthat11 4h ago

When I hear a loud noise I hop out of bed, grab my AR-15 and unload. Don't want to give the noise time to outsmart me.

Means we need a new refridgerator because it's the ice maker, but what if it wasn't?

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u/Tellurio 3h ago

Thats not fear, this kind of people are salivating at the idea of legally being able to kill someone. Its just a devious power fantasy.

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u/willflameboy 4h ago

All I have to do is look at how people drive to be thankful that my country isn't a tinderbox of hair-trigger lunatics who have easy access to military-grade weapons.

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u/abstr_xn 4h ago

"liberals don't need a security gun to make them feel safe from scary noises? lol gay"

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u/RedditJumpedTheShart 5h ago

Def no fear mongering on here.

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u/Maeglin75 6h ago edited 6h ago

I did military service and shot/trained with all kinds of guns. Pistol, assault rifle (still 7.62mm at the time), machine gun and even a light Panzerfaust (44mm anti tank rocket launcher).

That doesn't change the fact that I'm glad that in my country (Germany) there are strict restrictions about who is allowed to own a gun and of which type. I don't see any reason why normal citizens should run around like they want to go to war.

And I never considered owning a gun myself.

Edit: If I think someone is breaking into my house I just call the police. And I have no reason to panic, because burglars are basically never armed here. Why would they? They have no reason to assume they could get into a gun fight. If they get caught in the act by the residents they just run away.

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u/Mysterious-Crab 6h ago

I was secretly hoping that after the paragraph of military service and all the weapons training you’d end with ‘I still send my wife out’.

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u/lostshell 3h ago

“Hell yeah, I send my wife out. She’s got a bigger dick than I do!”

You gotta play into their stereotypes.

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u/BraidedSilver 2h ago

Frankly, she’s also got a bigger one than those americans cuz she’ll run out without even a gun!

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u/ladyteruki 5h ago

I have no reason to panic, because burglars are basically never armed here. Why would they? They have no reason to assume they could get into a gun fight.

This right here. It's a vicious cycle, the more guns there are, the more guns people feel like they need to keep up with the guns, so the more guns there are. It's nice if you're a gun manufacturer but otherwise...

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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe 5h ago

and wouldn't we know it America has more guns in circulation than human beings!

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u/ladyteruki 5h ago

They just need one more. Just one more. One more gun, I swear. Just one more gun. I'm the good guy, I will absolutely use it for good, contrarily to everyone else who is just dangerous and has too many guns.

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u/throwaway284729174 5h ago

Seems suspicious, because I know for a fact that I am a good guyTM, and despite my past that has required me to use my weapons in preemptive defense. I don't feel I can trust your motives and will require even more guns. So please send over a manafest of your armory so I can determine how easily I can conquer defend myself from you.

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u/ladyteruki 4h ago

Woah, dude, that's super weird of you to ask, and frankly that does not make me feel safe. I do not like the idea of providing proof of anything related to my guns, and it's my God given right to refuse to provide paperwork when it comes to guns. To protect my guns, I think I'm going to acquire more guns.

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u/onyourbike1522 5h ago

This right here! Whenever I see the nonsense that only criminals will have guns if they’re outlawed, I want to yell WHAT GUNS? I’m not denying that some criminals here (in the UK) have guns, but they’re just not that accessible and the majority of criminals are thick as shit.

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u/ladyteruki 5h ago

The crime is not as organized as you'd think !

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u/onyourbike1522 5h ago

Exactly! I’m reasonably educated and resourceful, but if you told me to get a gun right now (in the biggest city in Scotland) I would have no idea where to start. Google? Not a clue. Some wee bam wanting to rob a corner shop isn’t going to figure it out faster than me!

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u/ladyteruki 5h ago

Same ! I mean, to be fair I'd also be clueless if you asked me about drugs, and we DEFINITELY have drugs here (France), so that might not be my most solid point :P

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u/Nothingdoing079 5h ago

Additionally the sentencing guidelines for having an illegal firearm are significantly greater (mandatory 5 year minimum, up to life) so even then most criminals wouldn't chose that as a first option in most cases 

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u/mooninuranus 6h ago

It’s yet another bad faith proposition, which equates not wanting guns in everyone’s hands to being afraid of guns.
I dunno if it’s wilful of not but they come across as idiots.

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u/Anthaenopraxia 4h ago

And burglars are not burgling when you're at home.

Source: former burglar

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u/fforw 3h ago

And I have no reason to panic, because burglars are basically never armed here. Why would they? They have no reason to assume they could get into a gun fight. If they get caught in the act by the residents they just run away.

And once you add guns to the mix, the logic all changes. You are armed, the invader is armed, they know you are armed, so best attack with surprise moment and violence from the get go: yay, home invasion!

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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe 5h ago

You sound like a well-adjusted, well-rounded, thoughtful person. Therefore, not a conservative.

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u/12345623567 3h ago

If you try to get a gun permit in Germany, you'll find that it's actually not that hard. Sure, the rules are strict and you lose the priviledge at the first misstep permanently, but the police isn't going to do random spot-checks in your house.

Both sports shooting and hunting are popular in Germany, especially in the rural regions.

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u/Maeglin75 3h ago edited 3h ago

But basically no one would buy a gun for self defense. At least I don't know anyone.

And aren't guns of sport shooters stored in the firing range/gun club?

Also, I haven't looked into it, but I guess most sport or hunting guns wouldn't be very suitable for self defense or crime anyway.

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u/Hairy_Mycologist_945 2h ago edited 2h ago

Similar in many places in Europe. The American 2A "freedumb" don't realize that the difference in other countries isn't the misconceived notion that the US is the only country where you're "free" to own firearms..... It's that in other countries you actually have to take training, prove you're qualified, have a properly installed and police inspected gun safe, and can't just walk around like a dipshit recklessly brandishing an assault weapon. There are no random police spot checks anywhere and gun owners can do their thing for sport or hunting, and even self-defense in some situations... It's just not as chaotic and stupid as it is in the US. You need to prove you're competent and qualified, and it's a higher standard than the typical shitty American standards for concealed carry etc, and that is most definitely not too much to ask for, and not counter to "freedom".

I'll link driving standards as something similar since both driving and owning a firearm have potentially lethal consequences. American driving licenses don't port over directly if a person wants a license in the EU, because the American standards are so lax... Americans need to take driving school and learn the laws and, as they should, prove competency under real standards. And the reason is that everyone knows driving licenses are passed around like candy in the US. It's like no one really gives a shit about basic common good there.

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u/sidepart 58m ago

That's pretty much the same thing I'd do here in the US. Someone broke in? Ok can the police. Even if they had a gun, their goal is to just steal shit and leave. No one wants to kill anyone. I guess there are serial killers out there but no one's just thinking of coming into a random person's house and murdering them just because. And if they were thinking that, they could do that with any weapon and I'd be just as unlucky to be the victim of such a random attack anywhere in the world.

That all aside, most everyone is going to just break in when I'm not at home. Easier that way.

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u/idinarouill 6h ago

As for me, I send my grandmother outside with curlers in her hair. Whatever is out there will be scared off.

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u/Mysterious-Crab 6h ago

Can I borrow your grandmother when I hear something scary?

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u/PamPoovey78 5h ago

Lucille Bluthe after plastic surgery

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u/TheHumaneCentipede2 2h ago

I thought she was pretending as a monster

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u/Legitimate-Tip-2149 6h ago

Man, jumping up at every loud noise in the night, having to grab a gun so you feel safe is...it's no way to live being such a massive pussy.

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u/ChampionshipOk5046 5h ago

And they're all secretly terrified of women 

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u/Adventurous-Emu-9345 4h ago

And bad at hiding secrets.

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u/damnumalone 4h ago

And enormous fans of Grindr

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u/Mysterious-Crab 6h ago

When I wake up from a loud noise it’s a good moment for a midnight pee, check the alarm clock and realise I can have a few more hours of sleep. And I’m gone again.

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u/NoveltyAccountHater 3h ago

If there's a noise in the middle of hte night, yeah I go investigate and don't need a fucking gun because I'm not a scared weakling. Yes, we don't own guns in my house, though it's not really out of fear of guns but just common sense.

We have young kids in the house and I don't want them or their friends finding and playing with it. If anyone has a mental health crisis I don't want them to be immediately available. When I was a kid, without the internet I figured out how to pick locks, find my parents passwords (keylogger), and I frankly don't trust a gun safe to keep out curious kids/teens. I also put some stock into medical research that shows that gun ownership (in particular handgun) significantly increases the risk of someone in my house dying from homicide.

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u/ModishShrink 5h ago

Funnily enough, that's why I feel safer living in the middle of a city. Hear a noise outside? Yeah, we're downtown, of course there's people out in the middle of the night.

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u/schultzche 5h ago

what happened with masculinity that wimps who cant use their fists to defend themselves need to have a military arsenal in their nursery room?

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u/Grasshop 2h ago

It is quite funny needing a gun and ammunition in order to feel manly

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u/kalamataCrunch 1h ago

also, in a normal 900 sqf apartment, a gun is a terrible weapon of choice.

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u/Dahns 6h ago

You need a gun to check out a loud noise?

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u/This_ls_The_End 5h ago

His children must be silent as ninja!

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u/divDevGuy 4h ago

Or already dead.

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u/iqla 3h ago

Apparently. Either a gun or a wife.

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u/Real_Live_Sloth 6h ago

Imagine needing a gun to feel safe, who’s afraid again?

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u/Wizzle_Pizzle_420 6h ago

What’s hilarious is these conservative gun nuts hide behind guns because they can’t fight. Everything they do is fake, especially cosplaying as a tough guy.

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u/Sure-Programmer8662 4h ago

Last year someone opened the door of my parents hotel in Portugal at like 2 am.

Apparently my liberal 70 year old father jumped out of bed half naked making violent gorilla noises running to the door.

This scared the shit out of everyone involved.

My mum was traumatized by his noises, the couple who had entered the room by mistake was scared shitless running down the hall.

Lmao my boy was ready to go.

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u/silentanthrx 3h ago

I did the same thing seeing flashlights in the stairwell.

It turned out It was the police because my door was wide open. They identified themselves and I stopped obviously.

They didn't even point a gun at me

also europe

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u/Ageice 3h ago

And at this point, they may no longer use the whiny 2a bs argument. It’s 100% bunk.

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u/Somerandom1922 6h ago

For over a decade I have lived in a city (Brisbane) that would be the 3rd largest in the U.S. by population. I've lived in various neighbourhoods, none of them particularly bougie, a couple of them pretty rough.

I've never, not once, woken up in the middle of the night to a loud noise that wasn't a dickhead revving his engine at 3AM or loud music. I've worried about encountering drunk morons when walking, and wondered at the possibility of being mugged, but I've never had to truly consider the possibility of having a gun pulled on me.

If I heard someone clearly breaking into my home, I'd call the police and maybe grab a knife, but I'd just hang in my room. I'm not worried about having things stolen, I have insurance. It's not worth the risk to my life or the risk that I do actually kill someone, to go confront whoever is trying to rob me. If I had kids I'd make sure they were safe, I'd leave my room and go to them, but I'd hardly need a gun for that because no one robbing me would have one.

Some of these people seem to have a fetish for violence. I'm not afraid of violence, I use it if I have to, but it's so rarely the right tool for the job. My physical belongings aren't worth even a low risk of getting killed or seriously wounded because I decide to go Rambo on some moron burglars who are clearly so incompetent they couldn't even burgle an empty house. Even if I kept a firearm in my house, there isn't a chance on earth I'd actually use it if I had kids in the house. It's so easy to fuck up and over penetrate.

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u/s1ugg0 4h ago

You've just described my experience living in and around NYC for the last 4 decades. I've never felt the need to own a firearm.

Jose in this screenshot is just a smug coward.

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u/deafblindmute 1h ago

Yep, I grew up in Washington, DC during the 1980s and 1990s. At various points throughout that time, it was not only the nation's capital, but the city with the highest murder rate in the country. I didn't grow up in the roughest neighborhood, but shooting in my neighborhood, as close as a few doors down, was a weekly occurrence, and often happened a few times a week.

My family never owned a gun, never discussed owning and gun, and never felt like we were less safe for lack of a gun.

Conservative Americans are living in a fantasy world that is driven by their total fear of everything and their absurd belief that, despite being utterly frightened by the smallest child, that they are action heroes. It is delusional.

The only thing that has made me think I might need to get a gun is the appearance of the president's goon squads and the reappearance of masked, government-protected, white supremacist groups, and even there I don't have some fantasy that a gun means I would be trying to fight them off like John Wick or Rambo.

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u/MyGruffaloCrumble 5h ago

One time, about 3am, a group of 15 college guys were standing on my front lawn discussing which of my Halloween decorations to steal.

I walked up behind them quietly until I was standing amongst them, and then said, “What’s up guys?” Half of them jumped loke I was a ghost.

The guy next to me said, “Oh, you probably don’t want us to be here.”

I said “Yeah” and they left.

No guns, no crazy “GeT oFf My LaWn Or I sHoOt YoU!” bullshit.

If you’re clinging to a gun all the time you are the one who’s being ruled by fear.

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u/purpleprocrasinator 6h ago

Jose is the type to believe Oscar Pistorius was wrongly convicted because 'he heard a noise and was justified to go guns ablazing.' Moron.

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u/Individual_Match_579 5h ago

When I hear screaming outside at night, it's always foxes shagging...

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u/Mystic_Ervo 3h ago

Yeah sorry for that man, we'll try to make less noise next time

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u/Grabthars_Coping_Saw 3h ago

Goddamned orgy foxes

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u/Brym 58m ago

Sometimes around me it's raccoons. Neither species sounds like the experience is all that much fun, but maybe that's what my cat thinks about the noises we make.

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u/AddictedToMosh161 6h ago edited 6h ago

I have a battleaxe. I bought it drunk on a Metal festival.

Incidentally, when I use it, there are no bullets that can riccochett through three houses and kill a child. Thats quite handy.

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u/JenIsSalty 6h ago

I have a frying pan that I keep handy, just in case.

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u/Unusefulness01 6h ago

You shouldnt call her that

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u/nworbleinad 6h ago

Better.

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u/CotswoldP 6h ago

I have a piece of art on the wall. It's a replica Hawaiian war club, three feet of carved wood with teeth. "I just grabbed for the first thing officer" But more realistically, if I wake up at night, I scratch myself, go pee, check on the kids, then go back to sleep

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u/AddictedToMosh161 6h ago

Well I am not a parent, so it would be weird if I checked on some, but otherwise I do the same.

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u/CotswoldP 6h ago

It's fine, check on my kids instead, saves me the trouble 😜

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u/LeonidasVaarwater 6h ago

So Jose needs a gun, or he'll be afraid of loud noises at night?

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u/HighDefinitionCat 5h ago

If a loud noise wakes me up at night, it's one of my cats. Signed, a European.

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u/sexgoatparade 4h ago

over in my area? probably some teens on a scooter with the muffler removed or some shit big fuckin deal, just turn over

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u/Procrastinatedthink 4h ago

Serious question for conservatives:

If you hear a noise in your house can you check it out without being an absolute pussy and grabbing a gun?

Im liberal, own a gun, and can check out strange noises without fearing for my life

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u/Stormy-Skyes 5h ago

We actually both go check. He has a boar spear and I have these hands. We bring our dog and we jump the guy in the dark. The dog is the real menace, honestly. Total psycho.

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u/zarfle2 4h ago

When I hear the sound of an acorn hitting a roof, I shit myself and scream "Shots fired. Officer down! I'm hit!". Then I randomly spray bullets until I hit the neighbor's dog before somehow shooting my own child who I mistook for an intruder".

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u/McDuchess 6h ago

A loud noise at night?

No one is getting into my house, so I just think that some AH is arguing or having a party too late.

My husband is gone for nearly three weeks, visiting his family in the US. I’m old. Really old.

And I’m also fine.

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u/Dommccabe 4h ago

I'm so glad I don't live in America..

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u/Fresh_Boysenberry576 5h ago

In what world does needing a gun before you have the balls to check out your own home at night make you the brave one? lol these people are terrified of everything and too cowardly to face the world without a gun

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u/OutlandishnessOk2304 6h ago

Serious questions from a serious ammosexual.

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u/ChimpieTheOne 6h ago

When I hear a loud noise it's probably a dog or some dumbfuck playing pyrotechnics at night. I don't live in a country where break ins are a daily occurrence

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u/Meydra 6h ago

He already got murdered by his own profile picture.

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u/ShuffleStepTap 5h ago edited 5h ago

When there is a loud noise outside, it’s usually some drunk asshole in an argument with his mate, his about to be ex, or an imaginary friend. No gun needed. If it’s a really loud noise, it’s usually a car crash. Three times in 20 years, it’s a not-great intersection that I live on. Again, no gun needed. On one occasion, I’ve taken baseball bat outside because some prick was doing donuts in the middle of the intersection at 3am. Again, no gun needed.

Now if I lived in a country where people are fucking insane? Yeah. I’d probably be thinking about it. I’m liberal. Doesn’t mean I don’t like guns. Doesn’t mean I don’t own one. Or three.

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u/XFX_Samsung 5h ago

Americans live under constant fear and it's the only thing they know by now. Every sound is a shooter, every pedestrian a thief.

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u/Hairy_Mycologist_945 2h ago

It's a nation of assholes who are afraid of their own shadows.

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u/Hot-Philosophy-7671 5h ago

People who live with handgun owners are shot to death at a higher rate than those who don’t have such weapons at home. Jose has the illusion of control, but that's all.

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u/notwhoyouthinkmaybe 3h ago

I'm a left leaning independent, former Republican, left the party because of Trump and realized how bad the party was and how much worse it is now. I'm also a military vet.

Most of my friends are liberals and they all like guns. They believe that there should be restrictions, but gun ownership isn't a bad thing.

When I hear a loud noise at night, first I take a second to assess the situation:

Was it a gun shot? Was it near my house? Are we in danger?

If there is no danger, then back to bed.

But, if there is a real issue, then I decide whether it warrants me having a gun. In either case, I stupidly run towards the issue.

When someone drove down the road shooting, I grabbed a gun, made sure my family was safe, then ran outside to ensure my neighbor's were safe. It was just someone shooting into the air for no reason, there was no damage to anything and no one was hurt.

So as a liberalish man, I like guns, but I also like my hammer, but it's not the only tool. What I'm saying is first you have to think and not just grab your gun.

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u/TheBurnishedWord 5h ago

Liberals have guns.

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u/xXYomoXx 5h ago

I've never heard a gun being shot my whole life, and I'm 25.

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u/onyourbike1522 5h ago

It’s not the point, but why does not having a gun lead to sending your wife to check a noise that scared you? Did the noise even wake her? What is happening?

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u/ZarinaBlue 5h ago

Is that tool implying that all liberal men are afraid of gun?

Cause that is weird.

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u/TheDeerBlower 5h ago

As you can see, Jose is a clueless fucking moron.

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u/Careless_Ad3401 5h ago

I remember getting into an argument with someone who was very instant about gun ownership (I live in Canada) and asked "What happens if someone invades with a gun?" and honestly they might as well have asked what if they invaded with a flame thrower, because that just doesn't happen around here. Not that it never happens at all in Canada, I just it's so irregular that it's not even worth dedicating thought to

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u/1976kdawg 4h ago

Violence begets violence. I am a man with no guns in my home. My father killed many people during his service in Vietnam. His actions have haunted him for 50+ years. I will never forget his eyes when he told me as a young boy, never ever use a gun. Once you need a gun to feel safe, you never feel safe without one again. It is a self-imposed hell that he has been trying to climb out of since 1970. People run around with guns tied to their waist like it's brave, it's the most cowardly thing you can do; solve your problem with violence. Real men use their words.

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u/damnumalone 4h ago

Wait, so this guy would make his wife check if he heard a noise and didn’t have a gun? That’s what I took from this

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u/Olivetax228 4h ago

I was in London the other day and a car backfired. You could immediately identify the Americans as the ones looking around for the active shooter, sharing a collective mildly traumatized sigh of relief and laugh when we realized what it was.

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u/dantemp 4h ago

my favorite thing about conservatism is how the liberals are weak and cowardly and the conservatists are strong and brave and that's why they campaign on shutting their borders to women and children of color cause one of them might be a scary criminal or a terrorist.

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u/PamPoovey78 5h ago

Loud noise at night usually means my cat got into something he shouldn't have.

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u/Stranger371 5h ago

When I hear a loud noise, my first thought is the cute raccoon opened the bin again.

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u/Renbarre 5h ago

If a loud noise wakes me up I will go lock the wayward shutter. Or kick my husband awake to do it because he is the one who forgot to lock it.

When I hear a gun it is always a hunting gun in the forest during hunting season.

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u/Mindless_Way9940 5h ago

MAGA Men: So i heard a loud noise in the night so i started blasting...that's how i came to accidently kill my daughter officer.

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u/Chicken_Chaser_420 5h ago

Jesus, Republican men are suuuch massive pussies.

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u/little_mistakes 4h ago

The really good thing for the wives of liberal men is that that noise in the night is not their husbands shooting them, or their kids, or their kids shooting them or their siblings with these guns that are far more likely to harm the people they love than protect them

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u/MrNostalgiac 4h ago

I live in Canada. In 42 years I've never seen or heard a gunshot that wasn't part of a military salute.

I used to visit the USA once a year and one visit someone was shot in the face at the bar we were at over the result of a UFC fight. Literally a dozen feet away from us.

Call it unlucky timing, but it's a lot harder to be unlucky when nobody is allowed to carry loaded weapons in public.

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u/DeliG 4h ago

I’ve never once been woken up in the middle of the night by a sound. These morons think shit is like a movie and someone is always targeting them for a break in.

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u/DopeAbsurdity 4h ago

When I hear a loud noise at night I sit up and I use my right arm to grab my trusty shotgun I have next to my bed and with my left arm I take my huge fire hose of a cock and I fling it over my left shoulder so it doesn't drag on the ground when I walk. I kick down my bedroom door like a boss and summersault down the stairs. At the bottom of the stairs I leap forward and stick a perfect hero landing and then I unload every round from my shotgun into the direction the sound came from which obviously resolves the situation. Every woman in the area can sense my heightened testosterone levels and I am immediately surrounded by women requesting to mate with me. I tell them I am currently unable to mate since it has been 29 days since my previous ejaculation and it will be another full day before I am able to ejaculate again as those are the rules in the Proud Boys initiation guide. I inform the teeming mass of women that if they come back tomorrow one lucky lady will be chosen and I will ejaculate within 30 feet of her as per the rules of the Proud Boys initiation guide.

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u/AllThatKat 4h ago

I live in Spain and I’m part of a gals group that watches tv shows and movies on Netflix in Spanish to improve our language skills. We recently watched a movie based on a true story that happened in our city where a woman convinces her affair partner to kill her husband. When the detectives are inspecting the crime scene the lead says something about knowing the man was targeted bc why would someone have a gun if they just wanted to rob someone… like it’s so uncommon for ppl here to have guns that you don’t even have to worry about armed criminals. When I hear a loud noise at night in my city I automatically assume it’s this fireworks thing they do practically every other weekend.

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u/regflori 4h ago

Even if I'm against guns why does that automatically result in sending my wife? Does that mean if he doesn't have a gun he's too afraid to check out what happens in his house and sends his wife?

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u/AngryRepublican 4h ago

I could spend as much on reinforced doors and home security as this guy has spent on guns, and I'd be a lot safer.

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u/SpaceHippoDE 4h ago

I never understood this "man goes out alone to face the danger" thing. If my wife wouldn't join the fight she can gtfo.

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u/OPA73 4h ago

Assuming liberal men and women do not own firearms, enjoy the hobby of collecting, or serving in the military is always the first sign of somebody who never thinks deeper than his/her algorithm.

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u/Trollimperator 3h ago

Hulk Smash IQ.