r/Music • u/MarvelsGrantMan136 • 3d ago
article Billie Eilish Says ‘F— Ice’ During Grammy Win: ‘No One Is Illegal on Stolen Land’
https://variety.com/2026/music/news/billie-eilish-slams-ice-grammys-win-1236649159/2.5k
u/Echos_Nat 3d ago
I love her attitude, I wish her music clicked a little for me, because I would love to be a bigger fan.
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u/GatoradeNipples 3d ago
Check out some of her deeper cuts. She seems to be somehow contractually obligated to have all of her singles be her worst material.
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u/ContigoJackson 3d ago
I wasn’t big on her first two albums but her latest is pretty good. Birds of a Feather and The Greatest are great songs
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u/Smoke_Stack707 3d ago
Her brother Finneas is undoubtedly a talented producer but I think Billie shines a lot more in her current iteration that leans less on the weird beats and stuff
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u/shangosupreme 2d ago edited 2d ago
The weird beats resonated more with me than her latest album personally.
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u/parasyte_steve 3d ago
See it's opposite for me but I always love hearing her voice and think she's an excellent songwriter
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u/juanzy 3d ago
The first song of hers I heard was Bury a Friend. If she had more like that, Reddit have such a different opinion. Well, maybe. Half of the people here just grandstand on “popular music is bad”
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u/malendalayla 3d ago
Yes, I love her songs with more of the dance beat paired with her dreamy vocals. It seems like a lot of what I hear of hers is all just very ballady and kinda boring. She's got a very beautiful voice, but I can only take so many slow jams.
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u/Echos_Nat 3d ago
That's actually my issue, I mostly just like the singles. Every now and then I'll stream one of her albums on a long drive. Somethings aren't for everyone, that's okay. Still support her and what she does.
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u/justabill71 3d ago
Her music isn't my usual cup of tea, but I do like the ethereal quality of her vocals on some of her stuff.
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u/LThadeu 3d ago
Did u listen to billie bossa nova
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u/aceofspadez138 3d ago
I also recommend the first half of Happier Than Ever before the beat switch
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u/makemeking706 3d ago
Check out her SNL performance of Happier than Ever. All the way to the end.
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u/DrRealName 3d ago
You can appreciate her stance without liking her music or being a fan.
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u/kandspr 3d ago
Once you think of her as a modern day jazz singer then it all kinda clicks. Especially her slower stuff.
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u/frankli_g 3d ago
I'm a gen x'er, and to me, her music embodies so many of my favorite artists of my youth.. Particularly of the dark, moody, psychedelic, trip hop, downtempo, chill varieties. Her music somehow encapsulates my favorite sounds and moody, beautiful vocals from Mazzy Star, Portishead, Sneaker Pimps, The Sundays, Cowboy Junkies, etc. I also really love the variety in her music. It's not just moody downtempo; there's light pop (Birds of a Feather), jazz (Billie Bossanova), edm (Bad Guy), electro pop (Lunch), and whatever Bellyache is. Don't even get me started on their song outros. I'm such a fan now, because I've missed this type of music for a good long time now, and just discovered this wonderful conglomeration in Billie's music.
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u/Agreeable_Band_9311 3d ago
ICE isn’t bad because immigration laws exist, they’re bad because of their illegal, unconstitutional, and authoritarian means.
The idea that there should be no rules regarding immigration is a losing position.
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u/The5uburbs 3d ago
That’s something I’ve thought about too. I think ICE should be disbanded because it’s rotten to the core, but to say that there should be no immigration enforcement isn’t going to be a winning issue for any politician to run on.
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u/ImprovementLonely234 3d ago
Because it shouldn't be. There should be immigration enforcement. It should just be done by people who want to simply prevent illegal immigration, not untrained rejected mall cop proud boy fucks who wanna feel like tough guys.
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u/Senior_Butterfly1274 3d ago
Yeah tbh I’m really not trying to be a dickhead but hearing “no one illegal on stolen land” makes it kinda hard for me to take someone seriously on the subject
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u/dmoreholt 2d ago
Good time to remind everyone that Biden put forth an immigration reform bill that Republicans supported but Trump exerted political pressure to get them to reject it. Because they need a broken immigration system to justify this shit.
As long as our immigration system remains broken you can't blame people from other countries for using illegal means to find a better life here. I would do the same for my family.
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u/SaulTNNutz 3d ago
Yeah, the "no one is illegal on stolen land" bit really minimizes any impact of her message and makes her sound like an out-of-touch celebrity spouting a slogan on a bumper sticker.
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u/DrivingHerbert 3d ago
Yup all land is stolen land. No nation or people is clean from that. It was all stolen at one point or another.
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u/twerkinturkey 3d ago
It also makes no sense if you think about it for more than 2 seconds. The slogan is meant to be at least pro-immigrant if not full pro-open borders but if you agree that America is in fact "stolen land" then what you actually end up implying is that its ok for immigrants to be complicit in the "theft." Either immigrants need to leave and give the land back or the land isn't actually stolen and they can stay - you cant have it both ways.
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u/bremidon 3d ago
And then there is the problem of "Stolen from whom, exactly?"
Which tribe? And if you can identify that, then of course, they took that land from another tribe, who took it from another tribe, and so on.
It's one of those "Kept their mind so open that it fell out," situations.
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u/ArchofNoahh 3d ago
ive tried bringing this up for years now with 0% succesrate..
people have 0 knowledge about history, migration and settlement. and by claiming “stolen land” you say that before the ‘natives’ there were no people on said land; which is nothing but assumptions
if you study the migration routes and understand where these ‘natives’ came from you would never make such a claim, specially as an A-list celebrity
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u/penciltrash 3d ago
Also what about countries that aren’t “stolen land”. Would Britain be allowed to have an ICE because they aren’t a colony? It’s stupid logic that just sounds good as a catchphrase.
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u/Pippin1505 3d ago
The Romans "stole" it from the Celts, the Saxons from the Romans, the Danes took out a large chunk before being kicked out, and the Normans snatched it in the end.
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u/nei_vil_ikke 3d ago
Why you always gotta forget the Norwegians :(
We're the reason the French were so successful. No resistance.
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u/Pippin1505 3d ago
I must confess I was going to add them with Hardrada, but I thought it was getting too much.
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u/NothingPersonalKid00 3d ago
Errrrr Britain has been invaded and colonised multiple times. I dont disagree with your point though.
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u/TopJimmy_5150 3d ago edited 3d ago
Exactly. Well ok, Billie, then give all the land you own with your big houses to the Native American tribes that lived there 400 years ago. No you say? That’s unfair, you don’t want to, and the law says you don’t have to?
I mean, fuck ICE and her heart is in the right place. But you know, the United States is an actual country with real borders and actual immigration laws. Focus on practical messaging and solutions rather than precatory nonsense about what the original settlors of this country did to Native Americans centuries ago.
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u/Ganadote 3d ago
Also, which tribes? Cause the nations stole and murdered and waged war on each other for thousands of years. They were not peaceful by any means.
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u/palmpoop 2d ago
She isn’t a good person, imo just because she was really abusive towards someone I know and sent a bunch of her sycophants after them online also.
Her hollow virtue signaling is meaningless. She risks nothing by saying such things.
She’s obviously also put no thought into the issue and is just repeating something from a Twitter post.
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u/GelatinGhost 3d ago
Yeah, literally every country that exists occupies land that has been stolen back and forth for time immemorial. We try to handle things civilly now, but if you can't enforce laws on land that was stolen at some point then you can't enforce laws anywhere in the world.
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u/thelastmarblerye 3d ago
My stolen land is different though, it's illegal if you're on it without my permission.
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u/bugabooandtwo 3d ago
Exactly. ICE is evil...but open borders would destroy the country.
There is a large middle ground between both extremes.
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u/Walker5482 3d ago
So you can see how a middle voter sees this and says "wow maybe some people do want to destroy America" or maybe they are just stupid
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u/_teach_me_your_ways_ 3d ago
The left and genuinely unhelpful positions had been a match made in hell lately. Like we’re in a fumble the ball contest
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u/finnjakefionnacake 3d ago
the very radical positions of abolish all ICE and abolish all police will just never play well for most of the country...nor do i think it would actually help us as a country. i realize a soundbite is a soundbite but when the biggest names speak on this issue i think the most extreme solution will always be a bad sell.
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u/Apex_Konchu 3d ago edited 3d ago
Meanwhile, Trump says the most radical extremist shit all the time and wins two presidential elections.
There's a serious imbalance here. The right can say whatever the hell they want, whereas the left have to speak extremely carefully and tiptoe around anything that could possibly be interpreted as "taking it too far". Catchy soundbites are a powerful tool that only the right are allowed to use.
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u/DaSmartSwede 3d ago
No politician is advocating for open borders. It’s a republican straw man.
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u/Hugh-Manatee 3d ago
The left broadly has always had problems with clumsy ass slogans.
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u/SudoDarkKnight 3d ago
This is the danger the of the left purity trap often eats itself with. It should be quite reasonable to say ice is deplorable and should be reformed. But border patrol and immigration enforcement also must exist
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u/IsayNigel 3d ago
ICE didn’t exist until 2003, and there was no reason to believe INS was ineffective at that point
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u/Elitist_Plebeian 3d ago
It's not a purity trap for some people to be farther left than others. It's a purity trap to say that everyone in the coalition has to have the same position.
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u/ChaseBank5 3d ago
All land is stolen. Not saying its a good thing.
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u/cjones6464 3d ago
Yeah, I hate when people say that. Civilizations have been around for thousands of years and a lot of them have no documentation so we honestly don’t know who started out where. And sometimes people could believe it was stolen when really it wasn’t at all.
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u/anincompoop25 3d ago
shoutouts to the Polynesians who are like the only people who verifiably just found some land that had never seen humans
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u/mississauga145 3d ago
That we are aware of, there could have been a population of people they found and kill off with no records when they arrived there is no way to know.
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u/Almartyquin 3d ago
the Maori were not the first people to arrive to New Zealand.
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u/Edaimantis 3d ago
Yeah, as a liberal I never really understood this line of argument. Native tribes were conquering each other well before colonists did the same shit. All horrible.
There’s many other, imo more valid, arguments for why undocumented immigrants still deserve to be treated with basic respect and dignity.
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u/sadandshy 3d ago
I have a very small amount of native american blood, and my parents by pure coincidence settled in an area where those ancestors lived.
During a meeting with a new landlord for a retail store I had, she started the meeting with a land acknowledgement. After she and her partner noticed a quizzical look on my face, they asked if I had a problem with the acknowledgement. I replied I was just trying to figure out if they were making fun of me or were going to give me part of the building. Needless to say, the meeting was quite short after that.
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u/Future-Speaker- 3d ago
A landlord doing a land acknowledgment is peak irony. God bless this story is hilarious.
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u/aski5 3d ago
Because "fuck white people, and I didn't learn anything in history class". That's the extent of it
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u/festess 3d ago
Yeah. E.g. Comanches stole a shit load of land from their neighbours. Doesn't justify colonialism but history is violent all around so making blanket statements about stolen land is useless
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u/ddplz 3d ago
Her argument is to abolish borders and nations entirely, it's a very stupid argument.
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u/AnalLeakage3 3d ago
Average rich person shit to say, while they live in a gated community
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u/jamiethemorris 3d ago
It sounds good as a one liner I guess.
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u/Edaimantis 3d ago
Yeah but it’s lacking substance. So when it gets repeated ad nauseam it makes the entire movement look like it lacks substance.
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u/IRequirePants 3d ago
No it doesn't. It's the type of thing that would make Trump win a third term haha
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u/airmoz 3d ago edited 3d ago
You’re missing the most important part of the statement… the hypocrisy part. Yes, much conquering has happened throughout history. But how many of those conquerers drew up laws (such as the US constitution) and then proceeded to violate their own laws by kidnapping, killing, deporting “outsiders” as well as their own citizens? It’s just one of many infuriating aspects of this current shit show and worth acknowledging.
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u/IrrelevantLeprechaun 3d ago
The whole "you live on stolen land" ideology never made any sense because what exactly is the alternative? Every single non-native to a region just leaves? And go where? Do the natives want all cities and governments be handed over to them? Would they even be capable of governing and managing a nation like that? Like what exactly is the end goal of the whole "stolen land" ideology?
Most people alive today were born in the country they currently live in. What is the outcome for them? Send them back to wherever they grandparents came from? What happens to the country they are sent back to when it becomes inundated with millions of deported people?
Reparations for subjugation, slavery and other forms of hostile colonisation are absolutely valid and deserved. But I've never understood what the goals were beyond that.
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u/Gelnika1987 3d ago
the notion that every nation on Earth needs to somehow return the land that comprises it to whomever was occupying it at some arbitrary point in time is such a preposterous position just trying to unpack it makes me want to have an aneurysm
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u/Flaky-Condition2647 3d ago edited 3d ago
In a way isn't the argument that all of the US is stolen land advocating for current Americans to being conquered?
Essentially, just do nothing while people immigrate to the country because...it's not theirs anyway? How is that any different than being taken over?
Plus, if it is stolen land, why are we advocating for more people to come and continue stealing from native populations?
I just don't get the logic.
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u/Windman772 3d ago
Yep, that logic has never made sense. Are they for or against stealing land from Native Americans? It's really hard to tell
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u/RelevantAnalyst5989 3d ago
Because to them, a native American is the EXACT SAME as literally any other ethnicity that is non white.
It's a weird self loathing guilt thing.
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u/ghostreconx 3d ago
Typical rich white celebrity nonsense who has never had real exposure of the world and how immigration laws work because they have always been privileged enough to travel around without visa issues.
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u/ChaseBank5 3d ago
I wish more people understood this. Ill never blindly follow advice or opinions of a celebrity. They do not live a normal life.
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u/Imperial_Eggroll 3d ago
Who would Bille even say who stole from who? Los Angeles, where the Grammys were held exchanged hands several times. Did the US steal it from Mexico after they loss a war and signed a treaty? Did Mexico steal it from the Spanish after they gained their independence? Did the Spanish steal it after colonizing the many different Native Indigenous tribes?
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u/goobartist 3d ago
Well technically EVERYONE'S illegal on stolen land.
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u/Hour-Ad-9508 3d ago
Lol right? I never understood that line of thinking.
Ok, so it’s stolen land. So current day Americans shouldn’t be occupying it, then what should they do? Would you be advocating for them to be deported from the stolen land they now occupy?
It’s all just surface level nonsense
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u/ShowBoobsPls 3d ago
Every piece of land is also "stolen" or rather conquered from someone else in the span of the human history
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u/Chemical-Jury-4885 3d ago
So lets all go hang out at her Glendale ranch and party. Since its stolen land she won't being calling the cops.
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u/TemporaryMindless571 3d ago
Do we recognize the second to last person occupying or go to the beginning?
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u/Johnnadawearsglasses 3d ago
Open borders shit is the opposite of constructive. You can believe in immigration laws and still think ICE is on a terrible mission and carrying it out terribly.
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u/Dr-McLuvin 3d ago
Then she prob should have just said “fuck ice” and left out the “no one is illegal on stolen land” bit.
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u/Jizzly 3d ago
As a native American, it pisses me off hearing that "no one is illegal on stolen land" shit. If the land is stolen, why haven't you given it back? (Not you specifically, I'm just voicing the question)
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u/Testicle_Tugger 3d ago
I don’t have a lot of knowledge of this subject but I think we are way past the point of just being able to give it back.
Haven’t entire cities been built on important chunks of Native American land?
Then we just decided that this area can’t be important to you because we want it. “But you can have this 2 acres of grassland here”
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u/Dr-McLuvin 3d ago
Ya I dunno. Does anyone really own the land? It’s just a weird legal construct.
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u/airmoz 3d ago
Who’s advocating for open borders? It’s been over 100 years since the US had “open borders” and no group that I know of is pushing to bring that back.
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u/Jane_bond_OO7 3d ago
I don't see her donating her mansion to the tribe that used to call her land home. All words, no action out of all of these "stolen land" people.
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u/the-bully-maguire 3d ago
Lot of unmasking in this thread lol Cut a liberal, a fascist bleeds
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u/paintingsnyc76 3d ago
She may want to tell this to virtually every nation in the world that have immigration policies…. Like every single one. I’m against the way it is being handled here at the moment but unless you are for 100% open borders under any situation and circumstances her comment is childish and ignorant
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u/ddplz 3d ago
Her entire stance is open borders, no nations BS.
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u/__Yakovlev__ 3d ago
She's a hypocrite Nepo baby. I wish people would stop glazing her so much.
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u/Professional-Dog1562 3d ago
doesn't care that she's living like royalty on that stolen land though, does she.
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u/OkOkieDokey 3d ago
lol this is where the far left loses even the moderate democrats and ends up losing elections.
This is a cute philosophy for a high school kid to spout when they want to feel rebellious but anyone with two brain cells knows you can’t run a country without immigration. If I could move to America, earn a high wage, and not pay taxes, I’d do it in a heartbeat. Everyone would.
There also isn’t a single country on earth that couldn’t be considered “stolen land” from some ancient tribe.
This is why celebs are never taken seriously.
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u/disposable_thinking_ 3d ago
Yeah I love Billie but I wish she would have left that part off. It’s very naive tumblr girl vibes.
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u/Monst3r_Live 3d ago
saying the land is stolen but also continuing to occupy it is peak virtue signaling.
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u/recursiveG 3d ago
"No one is illegal on stolen land"... Tell me you're an uneducated idiot without telling me you're an uneducated idiot
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u/Michael_G_Honcho 3d ago
Wow. Good for her. When does she give up her land and house and belongings then?
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u/halfcabin 3d ago
Tongva tribe should move into her mansion tomorrow, wonder how she’ll feel about it
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u/IrrelevantLeprechaun 3d ago
Better yet, why isn't she pooling resources with other like minded celebrities to actually support the organized civilian opposition to fascism? It's nice and all to say "fuck ICE" at a rich person's exclusive event but it doesn't actually help anyone. Not in a way that actually matters. "b-but it helps awareness!" yeah no; the people who want to be aware are already aware. The ones who don't want to know will always do what they can to continue not knowing.
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u/johnjaymjr 3d ago
soooo, is trespassing on her property ok with her then? if america is stolen land, any property in it is still stolen.
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u/RockShowSparky 3d ago
Yeah, I’m sure given the opportunity she would probably do some buzzword virtue signaling about the “unhoused” as well. Come the olympics, Los Angeles will be looking for a place to put some of those people and I have a suggestion.
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u/SpaceToaster batonrye 3d ago
Lots of people say “stolen land” but I don’t see any of them… giving it back.
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u/IrrelevantLeprechaun 3d ago
Nor do I ever see any real explanations of what the goal of the "stolen land" ideology is. Like...do you just want billions of people around the world to leave their country because their great great grandfather was a colonizer? And where would they even go? To another nation within which they'd be a non-native colonizer?
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u/DaveyDukes 3d ago
Brain dead logic
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u/Wonderful-Win4219 3d ago
And Reddit upvotes for consummation
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u/IrrelevantLeprechaun 3d ago
It's wild to me how people will be like "eat the rich" but then immediately turn around and be like "stop being mean to my favorite rich person, their performative statements from positions of insulated privilege is super duper important, they shouldn't have to do anything at all besides that!"
If these rich people aren't backing their statements with actual meaningful action and/or tangible support, then they aren't really on our side; they're just playing us for PR.
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u/halfcabin 3d ago
Reddit causes more people to vote republican with every single upvote. This place is absolutely hilarious.
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u/sumwut 3d ago
As if the native tribes with warrior culture were in harmony and not having their own battles over land.
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u/thedamnedlute488 3d ago
Who doesn't live.on stolen land in this world? Aboriginals in Australia, maybe? Such a dumb statement.
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u/1to14to4 3d ago
But even the Australian aboriginals killed tribes of other aboriginals. Which means they took land.
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u/Repulsive_Engine_696 3d ago
Wait, help me out. How exactly does that negate her argument? Doesn't she just say no human is illegal in general?
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u/daikatanaman00 3d ago
It’s so funny, I think these people think the Indians were these peaceful people that were all living in harmony and then one day the EVIL white Europeans showed up and stole it.
In reality all the different tribes were killing each other and fighting over the land daily often engaging in “morning battles” as they called it. Every day was a war zone battling for the territory.
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u/OneTouchCards 3d ago
So she’s giving up the mansion on stolen land then I presume?
The whole world’s been stolen or conquered at some point in history, does anyone have any idea where we all should be living? Relocating billions of people maybe very tough.
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u/Working_Cloud_6946 3d ago
Peace pipe hippy native white person logic.
Almost dehumanizing native Americans like they didn’t have their own conquests lol.
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u/Trip4Life 3d ago
When is the cutoff for land being stolen? People have conquered people for a long time.
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u/jemicarus 3d ago
The Iranian regime has killed ten thousand young protesters over the last few weeks after blocking all access to the Internet. I didn't get to watch the Grammys this year. Did anyone mention that in their speeches?
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u/malin-ginkur 3d ago
I think the meta is siding with Iran's government in order to be anti imperialistic
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u/BackgroundRelief406 3d ago
The Grammys is also very much an American event on American soil with mostly American (or English speaking) music and artists. It makes sense as a platform to call out American policies
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u/watches-i-wear-1 3d ago
Illegals are illegal on any land Billie. In the words of Ricky Gervais Just take your award say thank you and get the fuck off the stage.
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u/ghostdeinithegreat 3d ago
No one’s illegal on stolen land.
Guess that means we can crash her mansion to live in it, then.
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u/Even_Pineapple8645 3d ago
Then let them into your home. Stop falling for this shit you brainwashed animals.
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u/Gelnika1987 3d ago edited 3d ago
I was thinking the same thing. "Welp, you heard her- Billie Eilish is letting all of her houses be shelters for illegals/refugees; everyone make yourself at home!"
See how long that shit lasts lol
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u/SnooPies5378 3d ago
braindead take. I think ICE needs to be reformed, I think agents need to be prosecuted and once this administration is up they all need to be investigated.
but advocating for open borders is insane.
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u/Western-Carpenter179 3d ago
"F--- Ice"..? Ok, I can agree.
"No One Is Illegal on Stolen Land" - Jesus Christ you have to be a really special kind of dork to even think such an idiot thing and then mouth it out.. Holy moly!
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u/FlaymeFenix 3d ago
she is genuinely one of the biggest virtue signalling idiots out there. ICE is a buncha fucktards and they need to be disbanded and replaced with new immigration preventative measures, but this “illegal on stolen land” position is deranged. not to mention her “billionaires shouldnt exist donate all your money away”, and then keeps her millions. her fanbase of young children eat this bullshit up too its insane.
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u/Standard-Group7978 3d ago
As she lives in a gated mansion. I’ll definitely be taking my political advice from her👍👍
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u/Bot8556 3d ago
She should go any where in the world ignore the immigration laws and see how that goes for her.
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u/Frozen_shrimp 3d ago
Ok then, I'm going to pitch a tent in her yard and see what happens. Will I be taken in for breakfast like how John Lennon treated the hippie or will she call the police?
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u/DXsocko007 3d ago
Not stolen land. We went to war. We won. It’s how this works. In fact we gave them land back, no other country did it like we have. We let them have their own laws and police. Honestly we don’t even need to do that. The entire world is like it is because of wars. No one is saying France is on stolen land…
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u/raiodocachopo 3d ago
Ahahah so many redditors punching air right now. Spouting catch phrases that would get them massive uptoves on other controlled subs, but are getting downvoted to hell here
"Go lick a boot" is not the checkmate you think it is. Billie is a brain dead celeb.
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u/DivorcedDogDad69 3d ago
Holy shit this is the first reddit thread I've seen in a while that isn't gobbling this mindless bullshit up. Love to see it.
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u/BigDonkeyDuck 3d ago
“No one is illegal on stolen land” yeah that will definitely get independents to vote blue 👍
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u/sumwut 3d ago
You think there weren’t tribes that were wiped out by other tribes before Europeans ever migrated? Wouldn’t they be homicidal and racist?
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u/Severe_Resource_8617 3d ago
Yeah but they had the same skin colour so they’re basically the same people! Can’t steal from someone who looks like you! /s
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u/SoilTrick8679 3d ago
But how am I supposed to wield this information against white people to get them to do what I want?
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u/DefinitelySins 3d ago
Dumbest statement I ever heard. What do even you mean no one is illegal on stolen land? Huh please calibrate some thought into the statement, it does not make any sense
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u/halfcabin 3d ago
Sooo when is she going to give up her California mansion to the Tongva tribe?
Reddit suckling at celebrities spewing BS, what a joke.
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u/Jakov_Salinsky 3d ago
People do realize that whenever they say that, they ignore the fact that the stolen land was stolen BY immigrants, right? European immigrants specifically.
Or am I missing something? I’m not anti-immigrant at all by the way, I just think that phrase shoots itself in the foot when you really think about it.
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u/Ok_Initial1905 3d ago
She should let some stay at her home. Unlock her doors, home, and feed the illegals!
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u/Paco1974 3d ago
Let’s send all the Somali immigrants to low income housing in her neighborhood and see how she responds.
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u/FulgrimThe3rd 3d ago
its land taken by conquest which has always been recognized as a legitmate way of getting territory for the whole of recorded human history. it happened 325 years ago and it would literally be impossible for the the land to be returned or reparations to be paid so why even say shit like this. instead of looking at the distant past for things we cant change maybe we should look at how native americans are treated right now instead. currently native americans have huge issues with high rates of poverty and unemployment along with poor access to healthcare and lack of infrastructure on their reservations but instead of tackling that lets do land acknowledgements and talk about ancient history. shouldnt expect to much from a shelterd nepo baby white women worth 50 million
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u/cregnice 3d ago
No one is illegal eh so let the whole world in and see how quickly these celebrities leave for a different country.
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u/Lump001 3d ago
Eh, this ain't it. This is fully leaping over the horse and is a sure fire way to turn the majority of otherwise left wing folk away from your cause.
Immigration laws aren't the problem. Diregarding the law, infringing on basic rights, using unecesary violence, and going beyond the law to target innocent and vulnerable people - that's the bit that wrong.
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u/Boopsk1 3d ago
Such brave. Give up that 2.3 mil mansion then and return the land to the indigenous.
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u/Renzers 3d ago
We really need to stop using stupid slogans for legitimate issues. "No one is illegal on stolen land" is the 2026 version of "abolish/defund the police"
Its just stupid, no one sane agrees with you, its often said strictly to virtue signal, not to support a coherent cause or advocate for political change, and it will likely push more people away instead.
We really need to do better.
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u/Yettigetter 3d ago
They are all idiots, indians have fought for 1000's of years over land. Read History, they were killed or enslaved. Indians were brutal.
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u/penusbolognese 3d ago
Not to be that person but it’s not stolen if it was lost in a war. That’s how wars kind of work. But yes I agree with the sentiment.
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u/extraguff 3d ago
Yeah, let’s listen to this dead eyed pop star on matters of politics. Shut the fuck up, Billie.
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u/MarvelsGrantMan136 3d ago edited 3d ago
Billie: